Kansas Basketball: A (semi) Statistical Recap of Missouri
by fetch9 on Feb 6, 2012 9:00 AM CST
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Let's start with the good: Missouri needed to shoot 40% of its shots from deep, and make 45% of those threes, to win by only three on their home court despite a host of other factors. Kansas didn't play very well on Saturday but were one good possession of execution away from a commanding lead in the Big 12.
But, the bad looms: Kansas will now probably have to sweep in Waco and Manhattan, not to mention win the return trip from Missouri. Up 71-63 with 3:25 left, Kansas allowed an 11-0 run by Missouri to let it slip away.
It's tough to point to one specific thing that happened, but let's start defensively: though Missouri shot well from three it was their two point defense that hurt just as much: Kansas allowed Missouri to shoot 57.6% from inside the arc, which is better than their season average in Big 12 play. Jeff Withey didn't have much impact on the game, only blocking one shot and changing a couple others, and he only grabbed 3 defensive rebounds. They kept Ricardo Ratliffe in check, mainly by getting him in foul trouble, but the Kansas guards did a poor job overall of sticking with their Tiger counterparts.
I thought Kansas, all told, did a pretty good job at hanging onto the ball. Their turnover rate, 22.4%, was the exact rate at which Missouri forces its opponents to turn it over. But when factoring in the fact that it was on the road and Missouri has a mid pack conference strength of schedule. Even better was that Kansas forced Missouri to turn it over roughly 3% more than they usually do.
The most likely culprit was some late game execution. And it brings up an interesting strategic question: do you go into a slow down late in the game, or do you shoot the first good shot you have? Personally I am right in the middle: I wouldn't aimlessly pass it around the perimeter and wait for the shot clock to run down, but I probably wouldn't have gone as soon as Kansas did on some possessions either.
- Thomas Robinson had a fantastic performance, scoring 25 points on 11-17 shooting and grabbing 13 rebounds. He had 5 turnovers, but in all played about as well as we could have asked.
- Speaking of which, Conner Teahan made both of his threes and had a steal as well (that even I could have grabbed but hey he still had to do it). He didn't play terribly well on defense but wasn't a complete disaster either.
- Jeff Withey took one shot and scored 0 points. I had a bad feeling he wouldn't be factor in this one, but I didn't think it would be this bad.
- The only Jayhawk to go 40 minutes was Elijah Johnson. He made a pair of pull up jumpers and had a couple of dunks as well, but was just 1-7 from three, including a hideous final heave (more on that tomorrow maybe)
- three final notes:
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Not trolling but wanted to comment on the firework part.
I was there was a lot of smoke but not on the court itself. Re-watching the game it looked worse than what it was because the camera was higher up having to shoot down through the smoke. I could be wrong but I don’t think it was that bad down low
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 6, 2012 9:21 AM CST reply actions
You're not trolling
just offering your thoughts. With some exceptions we here at RCT are usually pretty receptive to opposing teams’ viewpoints…
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
the replay at (i believe) the first tv timeout
showed a court level shot and it looked pretty hazy. i’m in class now but i’ll try to pull the video later and edit it
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We weren’t sitting low so it could of been on the floor as well. I just know high up it was dense as hell for awhile. But both teams had to play in it.
Was a fun game to watch w/it going back and forth the entire game. My g/f which happened to surprise me w/the tickets is a jayhawk and she enjoyed the game as well. Just not the ending she wanted
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 6, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
I have to ask...
what is the 65 Toss Power Trap83. It sounds like an incredibly awesome old school college football play that is no longer run because of the spread.
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It was an incredibly awesome play called by Hank Stram, it’s just my favorite play call to listen to from Chiefs history. I added the 83 to the end of it since it was taken at arrowheadpride and 83 is my birth year
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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Feb 6, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the video of Hank calling it in Super Bowl IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZxFtVsBVg
The Chiefs have a nice tribute to it and Hank outside the New Arrowhead
It's a Chiefs thing
Hank Stram, ah, they beat me to it…
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
well i'm not saying that kansas got screwed by it
(unless missouri did something like practice in haze for a week which is something way too complicated for frank haith to pull off).
But I am saying it looked incredibly tacky.
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made for some cool pics, though
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Well, Missouri
does have the lowest cigarette taxes in the country…
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
I can't imagine playing
in an arena full of fireworks sulphur-stink smoke. Just breathing would be difficult.
Many folks referenced the late game foul calling and the fact that many national pundits made note of it. Was this on Twitter, SportsCenter? Honestly, since the game Saturday I haven’t turned on ESPN or looked at the interwebs since…
I barely watched the Superbowl last night
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
i don’t watch ESPN except for games
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Same here
ESPN covers games objectively, but everything else is skewed toward its bottom line: BCS Dollar Signs.
Vitale also commented during the game as did Gottlieb after.
I hate that it happened that way and I’m doing my best to move on but man it just left a bad feeling about that game.
I honestly was prepared to lose, I just hated the way it happened because it felt a little off. Again though, we had opportunities and didn’t make the plays so we can blame ourselves plenty.
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Some thoughts....
(1) I doubt Mike Alden would have paid off the referees and then shaken their hands in front of a athletic department owned video camera that is designed to created footage for online posting. I imagine he was excited for the same reason any AD would be excited after that game and college gameday.
(2) The officiating might have seemed unfair to you, but it also took our only post player out of a lot of the game. Plus, the fourth foul was a mirage. Who knows what would have happened if he’d been on the court for 8 more minutes.
(3) The two charge calls weren’t really that bad. The timing did suck, but what are you going to do swallow your whistle when there’s massive contact on a shot? That’d be pretty cowardly. The first charge with Moore wasn’t awful, questionable yes. But it was probably a 50/50 call. He was set, its just a question of whether or not if was a flop. The second charge seemed pretty good, Dixon clearly beat him to the spot.
(4) Missouri gets to the free throw line better than every team it faces. Probably a product of continuous dribble penetration by four quick guards — causes reaching and hacking.
(5) All that said, it would have killed me to lose like you guys did, so I understand the frustration.
(6) Robinson is an absolute MONSTER.
Missouri is 6th in the league at getting to the line
and 100th in the country.
most of the ref talk was pretty tongue in cheek though. Obviously I don’t think there was some conspiracy theory. But the charge on Robinson was pretty criminal.
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and i don't know that the taylor one was either
but that’s more due to me not being a fan of calling so many offensive fouls overall
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There's a still shot in the post game thread that is pretty telling on the Tayor charge
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
they're good at preventing teams from getting to the line
but Kansas was below Missouri’s opponents average and Missouri was wayyy above their average. Small sample size and all that but you can’t just explain it away by saying “that’s what missouri does”
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Agree with no. 4. It was a big concern of mine heading into this game. I felt like we did a decent job against it. From my perspective I felt like us not getting to the line had a lot to do with not working it inside for much of the first half which was our fault.
The refs let them play for the most part in the second half which was probably to our advantage down low, but it again hurt us a little getting to the line. As a Kansas fan I guess I take the good with the bad on that one and call it even.
As for number 6…yep, I have been pleased with the amount of respect he earned from Tiger fans on Saturday.
I’ll leave 1-3 alone because I think at least on this board we’re trying our best not to be those guys. Yes it’s hard because of how it ended and we aren’t immune to it, but I think we all acknowledge that we still could have overcome that had we done the right things down the stretch. But who knows, didn’t seem like there was much stopping Denmon late.
At the end of the day this is one of the great rivalries in college basketball. Since Bill Self’s arrival Kansas has pretty much dominated it but Missouri has been a strong opponent for the last three years. This is a very strong team for the Tigers and they have senior leadership which is HUGE. They are a good team, capable of winning the Big 12 and I’d put them in the drivers seat right now if anyone is going to win it outright.
I’m hopeful that we return the favor in Lawrence. Maybe see a shared league title and then a showdown in KC for the final final. That would be one fitting end, with a Kansas win of course. : )
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by Owen on Feb 6, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, yes, that would be pretty awesome
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
agreed...
I know we’ll take care of business in the Phog, but I’m hoping for a tourney final.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 6, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yup
Too bad Chuck Neinas couldn’t have one with Mizzou officials re: the SEC. He ended up talking to a brick wall.
Does it suck...
Owen, does it suck to always have to be the grown-up around here?
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I won't dwell on them - Denmon and Missouri won the game...
But do not try to say those were questionable calls. The one on Robinson was as bad as it gets. And the one on taylor was much closer and still looked like this…
I know you guys aren’t big basketball fans, but the one thing you can’t do to draw a charge is lean forward…
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 6, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
for those types of things
I think you’d need to see the video.
I don’t really have a problem with the Taylor call specifically, but as a whole I tend to prefer no calls whenever possible and then not reward guys for flopping
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When I watched the reply many times
T2 def was out of control but the defender (in my mind) was not set and hadn’t established a defensive position addtitionally as the picture above shows the defender initiated contact just as T2 cut into the lane.
It’s a call that could have gone either way but not one I’d call a 50/50.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Probably where his reputation hurt us.
Tyshawn is someone who has the reputation for being a bit out of control. Makes that call easier to make. Sort of the opposite of Sherron who could plow through someone and usually get the block call.
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Hiphop since you are a KU fan you will be biased on this
So I think we should turn to an independent 3rd party, oh lets say grantland
This needs its own fanshot
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Yep
“The Referees Cost Kansas the Game with Two Bogus Charging Calls”
That certainly is one way to look at it. I’d say its a combination of them hitting bullshit threes at the end and terrible reffing. Perfect storm.
You just had the sense watching it, it would happen. Every three they jacked, just knew it was hitting. Sucks.
Shit happens when you win championships
That's phenomenal...
Both of his sections are entirely accurate and I don’t disagree with a single word written.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 6, 2012 6:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not going to get into too much of this anymore.
But this is bullshit from that link:
You can always pick them out by two factors. First, their gestures are emphatic. They act like Tiger Woods inspiring a roar at the 18th at Augusta when they make the call. They become maestros, conducting the crowd into a frenzy for their own psychological benefit.
Because a guy sells a call, he’s playing to the crowd? Come on, that couldn’t be further from the truth. Can you imagine how people would react if the ref came out and looked unsure as he was signaling or making a call?
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I agree with you, but
the 3 blows of the whistle, four steps up the court, and a Todd Reesing fist pump all seem a bit unnecessary. And you certainly don’t see it being that emphatic in the first five minutes of the game.
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by Triston27 on Feb 7, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly...
Warden – I’m not leaning on this like a crutch. Bad calls are part of the game and we have to play through them to get wins. We didn’t do it and I understand that. But it doesn’t change the fact that this particular referee got caught up in the moment and blew these calls.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Except the fist pump is the proper mechanic on a player or team control foul.
Guess that doesn’t matter, gots to be showboating.
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the hesitation is the biggest piece for me
as you say…
Can you imagine how people would react if the ref came out and looked unsure as he was signaling or making a call?
This is exactly why you’re taught not to hesitate, and to make calls immediately. I never refereed basketball past elementary schoolers, but I’ve umpired baseball at the high school level. You make your call quickly, and confidently. The ref here hesitated significantly. You can see from his gesturing that it wasn’t due to lack of confidence, so what reason would he have for waiting so long to signal? Emphasis. He wanted it to be his big moment and be the center of attention. He got his wish.
Use the forks
I don't know what you've been taught but that is definitely not how I've been taught.
Sure, you don’t hesitate and second guess yourself. But when I started working, I was told repeatedly to slow down. Basketball isn’t baseball, when working baseball it is obvious when it is the umpires time to make a call. In basketball, the referee has to stop the action and give a signal to show the call. Hurrying through this or doing it immediately after blowing the whistle will cause more confusion because the participants haven’t had time to realize a call is being made or what position is making a call. Combine that with an arena that was so loud the players, coaches, and fans likely couldn’t even hear the whistle so hurrying through the call would cause more confusion.
I’m not an expert but I’ve worked in games in small gyms that have crazy crowds, they get loud. I can’t imagine what it’s like working in a building that size with that crowd. What I can imagine is exactly what the ref saw, why the ref stepped out to make a clear and deliberate call, and used the proper mechanics for the call. If you don’t like the call, that’s fine. The charge/block is the hardest call to make, this one was probably more flop than a charge. But to use the language used at Grantland about grandstanding or to imply he made the call for a show is something I disagree with entirely.
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I thought there was some "principle of verticality" with the charge call
Am I mistaken that the defender has to be vertical when the contact occurs?
The two charge calls weren’t really that bad. The timing did suck, but what are you going to do swallow your whistle when there’s massive contact on a shot? That’d be pretty cowardly.
Yes, yes I think you do. And I would disagree that there was “massive contact” on that. I think there was physical play on those two plays conducive to a huge basketball game. It had an NCAA tournament feel so why not call it like the NCAA tournament and not blow the whistle on any touch. Obviously I’m biased, but I feel that’s how the game should be played in those situations for both sides
by I need more Esteban on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I'm OK with the call on Taylor
I continue to think the call on Robinson was bad – were I reffing, it would have been a no call. But obviously the team was also still up after that call and had several more chances to score. So I guess bottom line, I do think that call cost us the game – but I think that’s because we let it cost us the game.
Agree completely and this is very well said...
But I’m still not sure how you guys can look at that picture and be OK with the call on Taylor. Was it as egregious as the one on Robinson? No. Do I understand that we shouldn’t expect to get calls on their home floor? Yes. But that doesn’t negate the fact that Taylor beat him to the spot and Dixon is literally striding and leaning into Tyshawn at the point of impact – either of which constitutes a block.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 6, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Taylor falls to almost completely under the basket.
That doesn’t happen with Dixon leaning in and pushing him the other way without Taylor creating all of that contact.
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Yeah I think both calls the defenders were in OK position
but they were sold with rather stupendous flop acting to beg for a whistle.
I think the TT call was good (even if the acting was kind of ridiculous). I though the TRob call was bad: the contact was pretty incidental, not trying to shove aside or go through the defender, just bodying up to do a post move, the kind of stuff that happens every other play in every game.
Does the rule not say the the player is entitled to the space above their feet?
In the picture above, it sure looks like the contact is occurring above Taylor’s feet and not above Dixon’s feet.
I thought this was part of establishing position — the defender’s feet have to be set and the contact has to occur above the defender’s feet.
I've only read the rulebook, not officiated, so Warden might tell me to shut up
But it’s different whether you are the on-ball defender or a help defender moving over to establish first guarding position. In both of these cases, the Mizzou guys were already on-ball defending and just scampering to get between their guy and the basket. They still have to get their arms up but don’t have to establish a straight up facing-the-attacker kind of position.
But surely if an on-ball defender leans sideways, it's not a foul
If a player is going to pass to the side of the defender and the defender leans sideways and initiates contact, I can’t believe that’s a foul on the offensive player.
I’m just wondering if there’s some exception that allows Michael Dixon to lean forward and initiate contact like he does in the picture above.
I'm not going to watch the video again,
but I don’t think DIxon initiates contact and his arms are pretty much straight up.
The picture above is deceptive; it looks like Tyshawn is jumping straight up but actually he has the forward momentum and initiated contact. Here’s a split second before:
A split second later Tyshawn has moved a lot closer to the logo and Dixon has actually moved back and is going straight up with his arms:
The force of this contact snaps Dixon’s spine in two places and he reels backwards, paralyzed:
some thoughts
are you REALLY SERIOUS? you really believer the charge against robinson wasn’t an unbelievable call? you can’t be serious? exactly which game was you watching? that was an absolute horrible call not even close to what you say was a 50/50. it was unreal. and i believe that was the turning point of the game asa does just about every other person i have talked to.. we were up by 5 i believe with the ball it should of been pts and i or 1 and i moore wasn’t even close and did a horrible job of a flop. even the self stated blind dick vitale said that call was a terible call. afte thatcall was made mizzou went down and hit a three and it was on from there. now the charge against taylor i have no problem with it looked a lot closer to a charge but ROBINSON’S you can’t be serious. if you are then give me some of the shiot your smoking cuase it MUST BE REALLY GOOD STUFF
Go back and watch the call, look at where the ref is positioned (correctly I might add) and envision the play from his line of sight.
After reviewing it quite a bit, I don’t think it was a charge. But understand the ref’s line of sight and what he saw. He saw Robinson attacking hard, spin and CREATE contact with the defender, and then the defender goes down.
Seriously and objectively, imagine watching that unbiased.
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Don't you think the writer ...
In the above linked Grantland piece is unbiased?
I’ve spoken to a pretty good handful of Missouri fans and pretty close to every one of them has admitted that the call on Robinson was bad. They aren’t so willing to admit the same on Taylor, but after all, they are Missouri fans. Really crazy to me that you have found a way to see it differently.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 7, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Every national story I've seen on the game questions the charge on Robinson. Are they all biased?
Jeff Eisenberg of Yahoo Sports’ The Dagger blog:
First Denmon drove hard to the rim, absorbed contact from Thomas Robinson and finished a three-point play to trim the deficit to five. Then after a very questionable charging call on Robinson, Denmon buried a pair of threes on back-to-back possessions to suddenly give Missouri a one-point lead with 56 seconds to play in a game that seemed lost just seconds earlier.Andy Glockner of Sports Illustrated:
College basketball’s most delightfully confounding story rolled on Saturday night, as Missouri used a game-ending 11-0 run — and at least one dubious charging call — to beat back arch rival Kansas, 74-71.Eamonn Brennan of ESPN
Of course, it’s not quite that simple. Kansas was not helped by an iffy late charge call on Tyshawn Taylor that just as easily could have been a blocking foul on Michael Dixon. It resulted in two Missouri free throws and a three-point lead for KU to overcome. Even worse, that call wasn’t nearly as egregious as the one against Robinson with 1:43 remaining; that easily could have been a block on Mizzou forward Steve Moore, an and-1 bucket for Robinson and a potential six-point swing, given Marcus Denmon’s huge go-ahead 3 a few seconds later. Kansas fans are not at all happy about this turn of events, and they have every right to their anger.The only stories I’ve read that don’t mention it are by Jason King, author of a book about the Jayhawks, who presumably is concerned about the appearance of bias.
Nevermind, King just saved it for a different piece
Moments after leaving the court following Saturday’s 74-71 setback against Missouri, Kansas coach Bill Self asked a few onlookers — “people that were unbiased … they weren’t Kansas people,” Self said — about a controversial late charging call against forward Thomas Robinson that played a role in the Jayhawks’ loss.
“I was told that I don’t want to see the tape,” Self said.
In other words, those people saw the same thing Self saw, the same thing ESPN analyst Dick Vitale mentioned during the broadcast and the same thing that still eats at Kansas fans days later.
The charging call on Robinson — which came with 1:33 remaining — was a bad one. The whistle should’ve never been blown.
I know nothing about that particular writer other than the stuff he writes there, no reason to believe there is a bias.
But that doesn’t mean he’s giving a level headed and fair take on it. There are writers all over that get outraged over things they don’t care about before, that doesn’t make their outrage justified. As I said in my previous comment, I don’t think it was a charge but I CAN see why it was called from the ref’s point of view.
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We should have gone to Withey much more than we did, IMO.
We had a huge height advantage there and we did literally nothing to exploit it. And I don’t really understand why we didn’t. In the entire game, I can only think of one entry pass that was made to Withey on the inside (he passed it back out). I just don’t understand why we would not have made an empahsis of exploiting that match-up at least a few times.
I haven't even looked
I feel like he didn’t even play in the 2nd half.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
In my mind
Whithey was a big reason why we pulled away in the 2nd half. He didn’t show up on the stat sheet but he was altering shots, getting into passing lanes, and forcing turn overs. A lot of things happend because of him just being there even if he didn’t directly cause them.
Having Whithey on the floor also opened up the lane more for Throbinson, so despite him not chipping in on the stat sheet, I felt that Whithey was one of the more important players on the floor.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Agree...
It felt like he was everywhere when we were making our early run in the second half.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 6, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Withey sat much of the 1st half with 2 fouls.
But he was in there at the start of the 2nd half and was part of the the big run where we took the lead. But after that Teahan was in for the rest of the 2nd half.
I agree, but I'm now numb to the apparent inability/unwillingness of Bill Self teams to
throw the ball into the post. Not anywhere near as much as I think they should, anyway. They just don’t do it, and I’ve worried about it and worried about it, but in the past couple seasons I’ve just become resigned to the fact that that’s how it’s going to be.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 6, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you're looking at this objectively...
I don’t have a clue what the numbers are, but I would bet that we’re one of the top teams in the country at getting our bigs touches. Hell, we’re one of the few teams that actually runs a high/low offense through them.
I often get mad during the game when we go through stretches of forgetting this, but on average, I’d say we’re as committed to feeding the post as any team out there.
by hiphopopotamus on Feb 6, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Also
it’s hard to get the ball into the paint. It’s not as simple as pressing the A button. The other team knows you’re trying to get it down there.
Just wish our High/Low
would look like it did when it was run by Arthur and Kaun…
That was pretty, even to my non-basketball eyes.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
I want to win
another National Championship too. You aren’t alone.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
well, i can't argue with that
since neither of us have a clue what the numbers are.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 6, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting that we're still #3 in KenPom's
and the only team other than Kentucky to be top 10 on both sides of the court (the famous requirement for a National Championship though there’s a lot of season left and a lot of teams that are close).
Any team that had been ranked in the top 10 in defense and offense by Kenpom
Had made it to the Final Four. Until the last two years, when we we bowed out early despite that. Kind of says something about the embarrassments we suffered, but I’d prefer not to go there.
by 2.1 seconds left on Feb 6, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Not quite
there have been a few teams that haven’t made the FF despite being top 10 in both. Last year, the 3 teams that were top 10 on each side of the court were Kansas, Ohio State and Duke with tOSU and Duke losing in the Sweet 16 and KU losing in the Elite 8.
True
But we lost to a team that was rated terribly by Kenpom, making ours by far the worst loss.
by 2.1 seconds left on Feb 7, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
i really hate OU right now
Mizzou is winning some bullshit games.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
by labbadabba on Feb 6, 2012 8:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Like I said
57th defensively, they’re going to lose some games on the road. They survived OU but you just can’t trust a defense that bad.
Just three road games left
Lawrence, College Station and Lubbock. Gotta think they will win two of three.
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