Kansas Jayhawks at Kansas St. Wildcats Open Game Thread
by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 PM CST
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8 PM CSTWho: Kansas Jayhawks vs Kansas State WildcatsWhere: Allen Fieldhouse West, Manhattan KansasTV: ESPNOnline: ESPN3.com
Welcome to Rock Chalk Talk and your open game thread for the Kansas Jayhawks vs the Kansas State Wildcats. Another day, another Super Bowl for the Jayhawks. This one is big for both teams. Kansas State desperately needs a win to help their tourney hopes, Kansas clears a big hurdle if they can win in Manhattan. The Jayhawks are the better team here, but on the road anything can happen.
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Ahh, the Little Apple
the cultural center of Kansas
by jayhawk3r on Feb 13, 2012 6:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Octagon of Meh.
Criticize FHOFNCHCBS at your own risk...
by Bensa on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
My favorite Manhattan story
I always drink the Kool-Aid
Going for #8 in a row!
by bt01 on Feb 13, 2012 6:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
sorry my son hit post
I rowed for KU in college, and we borrowed a boat from K-St. We used an F-350 crew cab with dualies to pull the trailer. When we returned the boat we stopped at the local Sonic. We laughed that we barely fit in the drive-in parking space. Then I looked around and saw that 2/3 of the vehicles there were the same size.
I always drink the Kool-Aid
Going for #8 in a row!
by bt01 on Feb 13, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly believe that losing at MU doubled our chances of winning this game
This team has been prone to losing focus this year, but since the MU loss, we’ve been locked in. I don’t think we’re enough better than K-State (I’d say we’re about 7 points better on a neutral floor) to beat them in Bramlage with a lackadaisical effort, but I don’t think there’s much chance of a lackadaisical effort now that we need every game to lock down the conference title.
KU by 5.
by KSinDC on Feb 13, 2012 7:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Baylor gave up on their team a bit...
quite a few empties for tonights Iowa State game. Just another reason that Bill Self’s run in the league is so impressive. There are no nights off on the road for Kansas.
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by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 7:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I just came here to post almost the exact same thing.
Haven’t been paying that close of attention to it, but they just showed a baseline shot down the court and there looked to be a ton of empty seats.
by MJR on Feb 13, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna go with KU by 9.
I think we lose one more game this year, likely this one or at Okie St. Just a feeling. I think we end up 13-3 and tied w/ Mizzou for the league. Just a hunch. I don’t think we’re good enough to run the table from here on out.
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by Bensa on Feb 13, 2012 7:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You're most likely right
But I can’t help but be optimistic and think we win out. I do think we’ll lose in the Big 12 tournament. Call me crazy but I expect Texas or ISU to win the tourney.
by jayhawk3r on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
as much as I'd like to see a Mizzou - kansas B12 tourney final
it’s gonna be tough on both teams considering roster depth (ie, the lack thereof)
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
by Logan Hill on Feb 13, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering team depth, it would probably be best for both teams to avoid the tournament final
No sense risking an injury before the real tournament.
by KSinDC on Feb 13, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
objectively, I agree
but college sports fan-dom is rarely objective
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
by Logan Hill on Feb 13, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It would make for a fantastic story in Ames if that happened
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just a wild wild year in college bball. I think overall I would call it a ‘down year’ but it’s making for what could be a very entertaining ride down the stretch.
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by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 7:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Are there rules to what you can and cant do as a fan behind the basket?
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 7:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i remember a story last year
of a fat guy dancing with his shirt off behind the basket. it made the free throw shooter laugh and he missed both shots. I dont think he was talked to about that so it must be ok
by fizzle406 on Feb 13, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember the guy at KU a few years ago who dressed up in a creepy rabbit suit,
stood in the front row behind the basket as everyone else sat, and pointed?
I knew him.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Louisville is crapping their collective pants here.
by jayhawk3r on Feb 13, 2012 7:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Why is Pitino dressed as Coln. Sanders?
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a terrible feeling this game is going into overtime.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
don't say that
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by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Question for the gallery.
The Davis for POY momentum is building and as usual ESPN is driving the wagon. Step away from your loyalties and try to be objective…does he have an argument?
Maybe, but I don’t think he beats out our guy and I hate that Robinson could become a victim of the flavor of the week mentality that ESPN tends to have. I think Robinson needs to deliver in a few statement games. Tonight, Missouri at home being the two I’m circling.
The worst of it is that had we held on in Columbia they’d still be gushing over that second half.
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I was thinking about this today actually...
And if Davis were to win player of the year I wouldn’t be enraged.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
As tough as it is for me to say so, I would have to give him my vote, objectively speaking.
4.9 bpg is unreal.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
and he does it all over the floor, not just in the paint
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
There's no question that Davis has a bigger upside
Certainly offensively, TRob is more complete and carries a much bigger load. Davis is really really special defensively, but it’s not like TRob plays bad defense. Both have been really impressive at avoiding fouls, Davis even more impressive considering the blocks. It’s really a wash. But I think voters will be put off by the most demonic unibrow in existence.
argument? sure
but the fact that he doesn’t really do much on offense really hurts him for me. He has good percentages obviously but he just scores easy ones at the rim and that’s it
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take away a few inches from davis' length and he is not in the POY discussion
do the same for trob and i think he is still int he discussion
Pitino
Say hello to my little friend.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
He looks like Pacino in the Devils Advocate
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
WTH? Is this one of the seven signs?
A Big East game ending “on time” and not making us miss half of the first half?
by kuoirad on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Is it frogs or locusts that are next?
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the name Octagon of Doom
it is just weak
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
not as weak as EMAW
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
This girl I knew in high school went to K-State and wrote a column in their student paper
about how EMAW was sexist, and pretty much pissed off everybody.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
every man a wildcat I believe
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'll give you that
They are known for some incredibly horrible pr campaigns.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
K-State is where the 2A state basketball championship is...
I’ve had some really good memories in that building (as a fan not a player)
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
Happened all weekend with a couples games as well
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Yep, good thing I'm not watching it recorded later.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
If I know the result of anything, I generally don't watch it.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
makes sense would be hard to after knowing the result
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Exception: KU vs. Memphis.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't get to watch that game till August
I still got chills
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
August of that year that is
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Really unfortunate foul
Hate getting penalized for good defense.
glad someone can watch. any score yet?
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
1-0. Sick game.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky"- Michael Scott
by jackhammerslam on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
I've got it
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
im in missouri and i cant see it. getting pretty pissed
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
3-2 KU.. I live in Kansas and have no problem getting it
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
KSU fans boo after ever call or no call
Although I might be pissed after the Texas second half
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
I kinda dig the K-state grey uni's
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Nice hands TT.
And they’ve gotten pretty good at the Oop.
can someone put the score up every now and then while we wait for the tv
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Withey heading to the line after commercial break
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Also, this is one of the latest first TV timeout I've ever seen.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
11-8 KU, 13:36 left
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Their too busy reloading their chewing tobacco
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Didn’t like that shot by Robinson but nice job by Withey to get it back
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yeah
had a weird angle to it. Good thing Withey was there to get fouled
by Scott_Pilgrim on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Live online feed
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/107587/1/watch-(10)-kansas-vs-kansas-state.html
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
mine is working great
Just have this site bookmarked
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
According to Bob Fescoe, it's a Time Warner problem, not ESPN.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
cant wait to get that u- verse!!
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
At least it's not sunspots
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Its probably your cable provider and not ESPN
since its not out everywhere
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Robinson is so worried about contact that he's doing nothing on defense
That loose ball foul early on really ends up hurting us.
I love Frank Martin... I don't care that he coaches K-State...
I hope he coaches there forever, and hopefully his head actually explodes at some point.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
He is good for them and the conference that is for sure
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
I've always had a soft spot for intense coaches
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by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
elijah has really struggled taking care of the ball lately
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So EJ taking an early three isn't a good thing
But Jamar Samuels taking an early three is? Really Bob?
They are sending everybody to the offensive glass
And we are sending almost nobody.
Interesting coaching decisions early on.
that's fairly par for the course for them
I’d say we send more but K State’s a rough defensive rebounding team so probably don’t need to. Better to make them pay halfcourt
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I'm not sure how they're not over the back on Robinson every time he pulls down a rebound
But I’m okay with them not calling fouls. I’d rather get beat up a little than get in foul trouble
I'm a couple minutes behind (dvr)...
…but having no problems with ESPN on Time Warner down in Austin.
Just a data point.
Bob Fescoe just tweeted that they think it's satellite interference.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
really good job keeping them off the offensive glass
keep that going and it’s over
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those types of ones aren't bad
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what I mean is
they’re not getting any that an average offensive rebounding team wouldn’t get
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wesley
Does he ever do anything worthwile on offense
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
then why dont we puy young in instead? not great but bettet
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
asking the wrong guy : )
I’m guessing it’s defensive trust but I don’t know that I’ve ever seen Wesley do anything that would put him ahead of anyone.
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Kinda need to get our offense going here.
We’re defending well enough. Of course they can’t shoot to save their lives, but still. Gotta score the ball.
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Yeah... Ive rewound it 3 times and can't find even a ticky tacky foul.
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by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
well if you have even the remote thought of doubt...
you should boo as loudly as possible and claim that the refs are against us : )
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Yeah just standing there and the guy falls because he is just surrounded.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
had it been a Kansas player
it would’ve been a travel
by Scott_Pilgrim on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
what was that stat posted in a different thread
about the whistle bias for teams in the Big 12? Seem to recall KU’s bias being the smallest.
*inhales*
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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I was about to ask the same thing.
I have Insider, I’m going to try to verify if this is the case.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, and Iowa St as a 10, fwiw
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
To clarify, that's what Lunardi had them at in his bracketology today.
Davis might have said he has them as something different.
No way. They are 9-4 in the league right now
And just waxed ISU (4th place, another tourny team). If they finish 12-6 (can’t seem em doing worse than this) I don’t see how they are lower than a 4, 5 max.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Baylor isn't the most overrated team in the country, because Murray State is still in the top 15. But..
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 PM CST reply actions
We’re getting beat on the boards. At least it feels that way.
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still...
feels a little like they are doing a better job with it. Just perception I guess.
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They are certainly working harder
They’re sending pretty much everyone to the boards every time.
There should be some more transition opportunities like the Releford dunk a minute ago.
Comparing HCBS to Norm Stewart? Fail.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 PM CST reply actions
Young needs to be careful about a technical
Can’t be showing up the refs like this
i call shenanagins on some of these calls
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
seems pretty common for this game.
Refs tend to try to keep it from getting chippy and call it tight for a time.
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ESPN came back for a bit, but as ESPNEWS.
Now it’s black again. Seriously TWC, the half is almost over and I’m sick of not seeing this in HD.
So are these refs calling it like this
because of the second half of the KSU Texas game?
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
I hate Bob Knight as a commentator
almost worse than Dick
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
He makes some good points,
but he gets so caught up in his little sermons that he forgets to follow the game.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling that these new Royals commentators are going to make us pine for these broadcasts.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Who's the ginger dude who does our games sometimes
I don’t like him.
I loved Knight in past years
But this year he seems to have gone backwards a bit. Not sure if it’s an age thing or what.
These refs aren't very good
I’m not sure it’s working to either team’s benefit overall because they’re missing calls both ways.
Didn't call the push on the catch.
Didn’t call the guy pulling his arm down when he went up for the shot.
saw that too
questionable, could’ve gone either way
by Scott_Pilgrim on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
KSU fouls so much,
that, especially at home, the refs just aren’t going to call them all.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't feel like the refs are hurting us overall
There are some weird no calls on what look like fouls on us as well.
I agree we're not getting screwed,
but KSU makes so much contact that the refs simply concede that they can’t call a game properly, which makes for a rather hap hazard style of play.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Nice hit by Travis there.
Can we stretch this lead out before half?
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nothing against k state for being k state
but i would never watch basketball ever if my favorite team played this kind of style
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Yes, it's effective,
but hideous stuff to watch.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Their offense looks hideous tonight
I can’t even tell what they’re trying to do.
Withey is good, but a lot of this is incomprehensible ball movement.
I guess I look at it as being similar to defensive football.
If you’re team wins doing it, then you tend to like it. If they lose, then the natives get restless REAL quick.
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well I appreciate good defense
but this is trying to win by outmauling teams
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Yeah, definitely a physical brand.
I don’t know, I guess I’ve always respected it a bit. But I only watch it two or three times a year. I can see how it would be frustrating or not as fun to watch all year long.
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the replacements
To quote one of my favorite movies " I’ve seen monkey shit fights at the zoo more organized than this"
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you told be the mildcats would have 12 with 5 left in the half
I would take it every time.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
&one
for Withey
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If TRob makes that pass consistently
we are going to be really, really good
GREAT NO CALL!!!!
That looked real familiar
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I love the no call on the contact there just to show MU fans that that's not always a charge
One of them was making a ridiculous argument that the refs consistently call that a charge so we shouldn’t be upset about the call at the end of the game in Columbia.
Yep
rg463, I hope you’re watching KU vs KSU game.
If not, go to 2:24 of the 1st half.
i was watching, and the argument was that in that game the refs were going to the charge repeatedly.
the op said he wanted consistency and I simply pointed out that in that game, they were very consistent with the charge/block call.
No
Contact while driving the lane almost always draws a foul one way or the other
And, for what it’s worth, it’s also not the case that the refs blew a whistle on every contact in the lane in the KU/MU game.
well, that's two different points I was making.
First, that in that game, they were calling plenty of charges. Then you said that the inconsistency wasn’t that they were calling charges, it was that they were calling anything since at some other points in the game you think there was more contact with no call. So I responded that the threshold for a foul when two people collide while one is driving the lane is lower than, say, when two bigs are fighting for position on the block.
Penhawk's original point still stands
We wish the refs would be consistent. So do the national writers criticizing the call.
The objection to the call on Robinson was that it was inconsistent with how that contact is usually called. The contact in this game at 2:24 in the first half was a good example of the no-call that usually results on that sort of contact even if (as happened both in the K-State game and the MU game) the defender flops.
We all wish refs would be consistent.
I just disagree with the notion that they were inconsistent in this case. People drive the lane specifically because it’s a scenario in which more fouls are called. So just because they didn’t call whatever foul you think they should have earlier in the game in a different scenario doesn’t make that call inconsistent. What would make that call inconsistent is for a block to be called in a similar play at a different point in the game. Since very few blocks were called on those type of plays in that game, I maintain that the refereeing was consistent if nothing else, or at least as consistent as basketball refereeing will ever be.
Are you saying that my conclusion isn't logically required to be true?
Experts are experts.
The fact that they hold a position makes it more likely to be true.
Also, unbiased opinions should carry more weight than biased opinions.
I'm saying it isn't necessarily true because a bunch guys who write about basketball say it is
Furthermore, I don’t believe we’ve established any method to determine how many or what percentage of ‘experts’ thought it was a bad call. Maybe you’d like to take a survey or something, but an combination appeal to authority/appeal to the populace really has very little meaning with the complete lack of context you’ve given it.
You might be more comfortable in a college faculty lounge
If you’re looking to establish something from mutually agreed upon premises through rigorous logical arguments, I don’t think internet discussion boards are the place for you.
In fact, I’m not sure the real world is the place for that.
I’ve taught logic classes for three years, but a big part of teaching is recognizing that basically every real world argument is invalid. It doesn’t mean we don’t ever learn anything. In the real world, expert opinions justly get deference. In the real world, biases matter.
so you teach logic and your argument is "Dick Vitale agreed with me so I'm right"?
Do you teach logic at KU, by any chance?
I never disputed that experts should get deference, I disputed that there was a consensus expert opinion and that the experts you’re citing are actually experts.
This. KSinDC isn't stupid by any means.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
I have a hard time following you
Why are you posting links to logical fallacies if you agree that we’re not debating in rigidly formal logic?
Because arguments that are logical fallacies can still have probative value
So that objection doesn’t make sense out of that context
an appeal to authority can have value
but it’s not the ‘you lose’ card you tried to play.
Are you joking?
I qualified the statement (“largely”) and you read it as a “You lose” card?
if you ever want me to ban this person just let me know
not that he’s saying anything over the line, just for annoyance reasons (though i imagine you enjoy being 10x smarter than he is)
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
I don't think there's any reason to ban
He’s being courteous and reasonable people can disagree on this.
A sampling
Jeff Eisenberg of Yahoo Sports’ The Dagger blog:
First Denmon drove hard to the rim, absorbed contact from Thomas Robinson and finished a three-point play to trim the deficit to five. Then after a very questionable charging call on Robinson, Denmon buried a pair of threes on back-to-back possessions to suddenly give Missouri a one-point lead with 56 seconds to play in a game that seemed lost just seconds earlier.
Andy Glockner of Sports Illustrated:
College basketball’s most delightfully confounding story rolled on Saturday night, as Missouri used a game-ending 11-0 run — and at least one dubious charging call — to beat back arch rival Kansas, 74-71.
Eamonn Brennan of ESPN
Of course, it’s not quite that simple. Kansas was not helped by an iffy late charge call on Tyshawn Taylor that just as easily could have been a blocking foul on Michael Dixon. It resulted in two Missouri free throws and a three-point lead for KU to overcome. Even worse, that call wasn’t nearly as egregious as the one against Robinson with 1:43 remaining; that easily could have been a block on Mizzou forward Steve Moore, an and-1 bucket for Robinson and a potential six-point swing, given Marcus Denmon’s huge go-ahead 3 a few seconds later. Kansas fans are not at all happy about this turn of events, and they have every right to their anger.
Jason King of ESPN
Moments after leaving the court following Saturday’s 74-71 setback against Missouri, Kansas coach Bill Self asked a few onlookers — "people that were unbiased … they weren’t Kansas people," Self said — about a controversial late charging call against forward Thomas Robinson that played a role in the Jayhawks’ loss.
"I was told that I don’t want to see the tape," Self said.
In other words, those people saw the same thing Self saw, the same thing ESPN analyst Dick Vitale mentioned during the broadcast and the same thing that still eats at Kansas fans days later.
The charging call on Robinson — which came with 1:33 remaining — was a bad one. The whistle should’ve never been blown.
That isn't a mathematical proof
YOU ILLOGICAL DOLT!
all of these are writers
and I’ve yet to see any particular reason why a sportswriter has any greater claim to expertise than you or I do when it comes to the basketball rulebook.
You don't see why people who watch games for a living
Have more expertised on how fouls are commonly called than people who watch many fewer games?
Nobody is making a rulebook interpretation. it’s all off of how that play is consistently called.
I don't think there's much value in the way things are expected to be called
because how that call is handled next week or next year is beyond the scope of the referee’s job. His job is to call the game consistently that night. So Eamonn Brennan observing that such a call isn’t usually made doesn’t really mean much to me.
I also don't think that little contact was being whistled that night
But referees obviously are supposed to be consistent game to game too. I don’t know why anybody would say that they don’t need to be.
at least on the TT one I don't see how you could describe that as 'little contact'
whatever the call was, that one had to be a foul one way or another.
i apologize then, I thought we were talking about both calls
either way, i think the line between a call or a non-call is pretty thin on a play between two bigs in the lane. Hard to criticize a referee for that. If you think it was a blocking foul then ok, but any contact between two guys that big is going to be somewhat significant.
I think it was a play-on no call
There wasn’t much contact. The defender flopped but that shouldn’t change anything.
Again, I have a hard time with saying a call is horrible when your main point of contention is that you think it was a flop.
I think it’s necessarily difficult to judge how much contact there is between two guys that big.
I don't think it is that difficult
And, again, this isn’t completely dispositive, but lots of people with no obvious bias, think it’s a terrible call.
The block/charge is probably the toughest call in basketball, but I think the widespread reaction was that this wasn’t particularly close (not saying it should have been a block necessarily). It was just a bad call.
And I think 9 times out of 10, that's ruled a play-on
Which why I was glad we had an almost identical situation in the first half tonight.
Although the quality of the officiating tonight was so horrendous that I hate using this game as an example of anything.
officiating is always horrible in the eyes of the viewers
because officiating a basketball game is a very hard job. People think these are obvious calls after they’ve watched things in slow motion from five different angles.
I think the KU-MU game stands out
The coverage of the game has highlighted the call because the call was particularly objectionable.
Referees sometimes make bad goaltending calls, but the Syracuse-WVU game was highlighted by the national press because that missed call was particularly egregious.
No game is officiated perfectly, but we can still draw distinctions between better and worse officiated games.
This game
was terrible all around but the highlights won’t include the bad calls as the Missouri game did, as they didn’t really affect the game in a very obvious way.
exactly. people made a big deal of the bad calls last week because of when they happened.
not how egregious they were. worse calls happen all the time, they just rarely matter so much or so obviously.
no, it highlighted that call because it came at a particularly important time
there are worse foul calls made every game than a charge that left a 280 lber on the deck. Flop or not, the referee at least has a reason to make that call. Plenty of calls are made for no particular reason whatsoever.
They didn't highlight all the calls down the stretch
They highlighted the particularly egregious one that may have altered the outcome of the game.
May have?
I don’t think there’s any doubt that it affected the game. Call it correctly and that’s an and-1 and we’re up 9 with a chance at 10. Totally different game.
what other calls were there to highlight besides that and the TT call?
Were there any other fouls in the last few minutes other than KU fouling to stop the clock?
3 other fouls calls after 71-63
Only one was intentional (with 10 secs left on Elijah Johnson)
these are facts
Missouri won
kansas lost
basketball referees generally suck
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
And Kansas loves Westboro Baptists
because, you know, there’s more of them in Kansas than there are in Missouri.
by rg643 on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Google Debbie Valgos
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not disputing the outcome of the game
It’s when MU fans want to go beyond that and say that there are no grounds for objecting to the Robinson call that I will dispute it.
Stick to the final score and you’ll hear no objection from me.
you can object to the call all you want, just like we objected to the charge call on Dooling in 2000
like I said, basketball refs typically suck.. it’s just a matter of dealing with it and hoping one’s team doesn’t put themselves in a position where one call, questionable or otherwise, can result in an unfavorable scoreline at the end of the game
I believe in the The Black & Gold Standard
agreed
we shouldn’t have let an inferior team hang around and we paid for it
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by fetch9 on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I will have the worlds smallest violin for you in a couple weeks
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
After last year's Cal game, I have a high physicality tolerance.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:50 PM CST reply actions
He makes a nice pass to T-Rob,
but the shot gets blocked unfortunately.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
that pass is going to get a lot of air time in tomorrow's recap
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K-state's interior defense
Has been really good so far.
by 2.1 seconds left on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Good foul; Samuels is a dreadful foul shooter.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST reply actions
If they're going to crash the offensive boards like this, we're going to make them pay
If they’re going to shoot this badly, they probably don’t have a choice.
But they do have 10 offensive rebounds so far.
Poor guy.
Definitely has that Charlie Brown look of woe there.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
ummmmm
why did we have conner shoot that?
by Scott_Pilgrim on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
If Teahan gets an open 3, I want him taking it every time.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Actually got a great look
I thought Robinson was going to take that crappy 15-foot jumper, but he made a good pass.
I wish Bill Self was my dad
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
by KRichards on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if it's a designed thing
But every time we pick up our dribble on the press I immediately think we’re going to turn the ball over. Might be the smart and/or planned thing to do, but I don’t like seeing it.
ha no
Just cause Withey has been awesome and transferred from Arizona
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alex morgan
I am sooooo excited that she’ll be in that. She is absolutely gorgeous.
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The pics are already online
She looks so different I hardly recognized her.
Just google alex morgan body paint
i just did
She actually seems hotter in her uniform with the headband on- not that her bodypaint pic was bad
by Jordan w on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
remember last year at SI swimsuit time when I said Kate Upton would be a star?
I’m like a world renowned talent scout
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i'm trying to find the comment now.
sadly searching kate upton in our search field doesnt do anything
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http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2011/2/21/2002449/big-xii-power-rankings
that’s the earliest mention I can find
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forgot this was in there too
https://twitter.com/#!/fetch9/status/37014627401334784
one of my best (only good?) calls ever
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Here you go
http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2011/2/21/2002449/big-xii-power-rankings
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Nice to have a 10 point lead
and no foul trouble for our main players at the half, but our offensive sloppiness has really prevented us from burying KSU. We could have a 20 point lead with a little better efficiency.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 PM CST reply actions
As bad as KSU is shooting, you would think we would be up more.
But their post defense was really bothering us.
We have got to execute better on offense
KSU isn’t going to miss shots forever, especially McGruder (who is like 1 for 10). They’re gonna connect. We’ve got to make shots and keep em at bay.
Shit happens when you win championships
Anybody know what the deal is with those Alabama suspensions?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:08 PM CST reply actions
Basketball; one is Travis Releford's brother.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Espn had an article
about ?Smart? laying down the law and sticking to it.
The stupidest commercial of all time just aired on the DC feed
For some product/service called TelDap.
This is like watching last year's national championship game.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 PM CST reply actions
Arena is pretty loud
We need a good start to the half
I am telling you he only makes those against us
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
We look incredibly flat
Robinson really seems to have dropped off in the last five games.
What is Robinson doing?
He looks like he’s moving in slow motion
All those bad first-half possessions
coming back to haunt us now.
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sooooo
are we planning on guarding samuels? or just letting him shoot that shot all night?
he’s been hitting it all night, just saying
by Scott_Pilgrim on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry...
…but college arena who has to pump in music over the sound system instead of using the band is lame.
(We don’t do that ever, do we?)
KU tried it once a few years ago during a non-conference game.
Self publicly complained that it deflated AF during the postgame press conference, and that was the end of that.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
So typical of this team and oh so frustrating.
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shouldn't even be a game at this point.
They have been horrid offensively and we’ve been bailing them out.
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It's like the team is setting out to make those of us who were talking about how good we'd been in the second half
Look like complete morons.
I think the real point is that..
we’re rarely if ever good for 40 minutes. If we could accomplish that, we’d be in great shape. Unfortunately we’re prone to 10 minutes of really good and 30 minutes of ‘what the hell?’
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We worked the ball inside well to start the 2nd half,
we just missed/had blocked so many shots that we lost all momentum. Self can preach, but the team has to execute.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like a case of...
us locking up when the refs get whistle happy…
Rumor is it somebody in the student section has a "You're not in Kansas anymore" sign.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 PM CST reply actions
As a Kansan I don't like to claim Manhattan
So I’m okay with that.
Another terrible charge call.
Ridiculous.
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by Bensa on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I stand corrected.
I thought T-Rob slid off to the side, but he pretty much went right into the guy.
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by Bensa on Feb 13, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see that little no charge circle angle on that.
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by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
fair call then I'd say
Robinson has to stop trying to be a guard or whatever he’s trying to prove.
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by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously this is beyond pathetic.
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by Owen on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn. We are getting embarrassed
on the boards right now.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 PM CST reply actions
We’re in for a fight and I don’t think it’s trending in our favor in the least. Came out, we were the better team by far and we just don’t have the effort or focus right now. Then you throw in the fact that we’re letting the officiating force us into playing scared and it’s just a bad recipe. We really freeze up offensively when things start to go poorly.
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I still like us in a slug fest in the end
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
our offense looks worse than theirs did in the 1st half.
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Their post play has been really hurting us all game.
On both ends.
guess thats why...
we’ll continue to hear that Davis is the POY and Robinson will continue to lose momentum on that front.
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add in the fact that Tyshawn and Withey
have both been better than Robinson lately and I guess I can see the argument. Although I don’t know where Davis stacks up in Kentucky’s pecking order, don’t watch them enough.
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different story
if we actually start locking down the rebounds
It’s odd officiating. Ticky tack on the perimeter but letting them play underneath it feels like.
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I don't have any idea what these refs are doing
The level of contact that results in a foul is all over the place.
Sometimes it helps us (most of the first half) sometimes it helps them (most of the second half).
None of it is good officiating
It continues.
seriously just odd. On one play you see a guy get mauled by three players and the next they call some random push that is hardly noticeable. Officiating has been pretty inconsistent tonight both ways.
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Wow. Get a fortunate 3
after an ugly play. Maybe we can get a little momentum going.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions
It goes against everything Self believes in,
but we’ve been so sloppy underneath the basket we may be better off just gunning up a bunch of 3’s the rest of the half.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
So now we just blow the whistle because their player started crying?
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by Bensa on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The announces want to see more fouls
keep bitching about refs missing push-offs
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 PM CST reply actions
See this is what I hate about the refs
… inconsistent. Call everything for 10 minutes, and then don’t call shit
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 PM CST reply actions
Case in point the foul T-Rob just drew.
Nice we got it, but that was tick-tack stuff compared to what’s been going on.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
yeah the officials are just wildly inconsistent
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
If Knight had his way there would be 97 team fouls by now
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Not quite as impresive as his last game
But Withey has still put up some good numbers tonight.
12-10-7
Against much better post play.
KSU’s big man have been very good tonight.
Two elderly fans wearing
heavy-duty headsets, ostensibly to communicate during the game. Somebody get me a screen grab, please.
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I read on twitter there is a sign in the "Octagon"
saying “You’re not in Kansas anymore”
I want the screen shot of that.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Guarnatee you those two are pilots and just using their headsets to listen to the radio
Why that guy thought they were communicating is beyond me.
here you go
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Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
by scouted on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I thought only
Cousy award finalists could make shots like that.
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TT
Are the K-State fans still so sure they want to call out Taylor?
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 PM CST reply actions
Bob Knight is trying to alienate every KU fan who doesn't already hate him
I actually admire his frankness
I do too. I enjoy the Walt Kowalski shtick.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
i wish i could do more coding stuff
so i could figure out if this is the team most prone to runs in the last decade or so
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id have to grab all the data
i rally am stupid with computers
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interesting defensive sets by ku
some weird mix of 2-3 and a triangle and 2. totally eliminating passing lanes to the post
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Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
Yes, he's certainly not filling up the stat sheet,
but he’s been useful this half.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Conner has really been playing better lately
and by better I mean not flubbing things up :)
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 PM CST reply actions
Tyshawn!!!
Dunking like only a Cousy award finalist should.
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Spradling decided he didn't want to get teabgged by TT
moved away from the hoop fast
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 PM CST reply actions
Anybody seen this?
Turns out the K-State logo is really just the Trix bunny in negative.
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by Bensa on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bobby is really anti-KU today
Seems like he’s on a crusade for some reason
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 PM CST reply actions
Im not sure that should have been a technical
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
nah probably not.
Just following the pattern of bizarre officiating in this one.
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Like Knight said...
there had to be some profanity
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by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
I think they were checking
to see if T-Rob did anything physically to Gipson.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
How absurd is it, that the 7 footer is the best free throw shooter on the team...
Not sure I’ve ever seen that.
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Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
Cole was a very good FT shooter,
but I don’t think he led the squad. Simien might have his senior year, but he wasn’t 7-foot either.
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Cole was good his sophomore season,
But I think he fell off quite a bit his junior season.
I’m guessing Sherron was probably ahead of him both years. He was pretty good at the line from what I remember.
Yes he grabbed his leg Bob, get your eyes checked
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 PM CST reply actions
how funny is it that when we have tech free throws to shoot
we send withey to the line. love it
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Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
My old man (K-State grad) thinks Robinson should have been called for the T
and stormed out in anger.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM CST reply actions
He's convinced Robinson intentionally stomped on him, though it seemed
clearly inadvertent to me.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Wait didn't bob say that KSU sholdn't do pressure a couple minutes ago?
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM CST reply actions
Bob doesn't know if he should wipe his own ass after pooping
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Right now this feels very Missouri like. We’re kind of looking scared here.
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I'm Always Thinking
That unless we’re up by 30.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
yeah i'm not worried at all
i don’t think K state can score enough
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Jeeze Big East even steals parts of our game in replays
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 10:00 PM CST reply actions
I don't envy K-State's upcoming schedule
Looks brutal
Shit.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 PM CST reply actions
Great tip by Withey.
Despite the inadvertent hit by T-Rob.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions
And why are K-State fans booing? Besides the obvoius that is.
You can call timeout after a made basket.
We basically need one more bucket and this game is out of reach.
Basically exactly where we were against Mizzou.
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And on cue...
Samuels starts playing the Denmon role. Yeesh.
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So, who went through and greened the first 15 pos
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM CST reply actions
ts of this thread?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
RMN people spend half their time here
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Yes, Rodriguez was definitely diving underneath
EJ as he was in the air.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
How can you step under a player and get that call?
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 PM CST reply actions
Thank You. I
Thought I was the only one who saw that.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Terrible charge call.
He’s already in the air, and the K-State player slides under him. Terrible.
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He was out of control.
Should have pulled up to make that pass.
True, But He
Was in the air when the defender stepped in.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
That was the worst call of the night
I just watched it in slow motion. The defender moved three feet while EJ was in the air.
I feel it's been a point of emphasis to refs
to keep games close at all costs. No other reason that reffing has been so horrible all season. I’m not just talking KU either. Look at that Duke/UNC game? PLenty of other examples too
by MichiganJayHawk on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM CST reply actions
That doesn't make any sense.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
All below is @clearly true@:
Ratings=money=excitement=ratings=close games=money=bribery=awesome endings=referee scandal=money=ratings=point shaving=Duke or Big East national title
Are you kidding me?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM CST reply actions
Withey keeping it real
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
Great block by Jeff there.
Can we hit a free throw? Please???
Criticize FHOFNCHCBS at your own risk...
Just sad. Thank god for Withey. How do we piss down our leg again?
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weird
Tyshawn was one of our best FT shooters last year
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was saying...
Tyshawn needs to just shoot free throws all day tomorrow
by Scott_Pilgrim on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'm Too Old
For this shit.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions
drop off pass is the new shot fake
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
IT'S RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
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by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
A good team beats us tonight. Fortunately Kansas State is not that. We are not good under pressure.
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que David Bowie
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
that's kind of their style though
to make teams play all helter skelter. Doubt we’ll see a lot of it in the tournament.
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On a positive note
Withey’s consistent great play just increased our ceiling even more
Definitely played tough
on one of T-Rob’s rare off nights.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
How similar was the end of this game to the end of the MU game?
Tyshawn missing 2 FTs
Terrible charge call
Tyshawn having the ball stolen at midcourt.
Hopefully, this game can exorcise those demons.
well
the mark of a national champion isn’t to play poorly and win, but it sure is the mark of a conference champion.
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What an ugly frigging game.
Still counts as a win anyway.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM CST reply actions
Random: Elijah Johnson trending.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM CST reply actions
O/T
But a snowplow went by my street 3 times in the last 2 minutes. All of the snow has melted so he was just scraping metal and creating massive sparks.
Seems like the street department needs to use their equipment so they can get new stuff next year even though they shouldn’t need it
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
I saw a couple snow plows doing that on the highway earlier today.
It was quite the show.
Jesus, That Was
Almost as ugly as Frank Martin.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Nice to win an ugly game...
I didn’t get to watch the game and had to listen to it on the radio. I have a question though, how bad were the refs? Bob and Chris were goin off that they made quite a few bad calls.
by hawkinwichita on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Very poorly called game
both ways. Just wildly inconsistent
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
OK thanks...
Bob did say that once.
by hawkinwichita on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
terrible reffing
but it benefited us as much as it hurt us.
I just wish I could of saw it...
I am just goin off hearsay. On top of that, its all from KU faithful so there will be a bias. I appreciate this answer though.
by hawkinwichita on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
DAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I am concerned that T-Rob has not looked as energetic as usual.
Is it just me? Or has he looked slow and flat?
I think tonight
he was worried about fouls
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Not just you.
I don’t know if he’s mentally or physically worn down, but I don’t think he’s had his typical energy for at least a month now. Hopefully he can get things back together.
He'll benefit from 5 days off for sure
This late in the grind, I think Self will have guys practice lighter and have more rest. We looked gassed at times tonight. So did KState. Hard to play Saturday and turn around and play Monday.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Or... 4 days off
Journalism major…
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Teams are really focusing on him defensively
And an awfully lot of really frustrating things happened to him tonight to take him out of his game. I wouldn’t be too worried about it.
I think he's looked pretty low energy the last several games
His first half against OU, Iowa State, Baylor and MU has been pretty crummy.
Officials
are never good in games like this. When one team makes it their purpose to foul on every possession as KState does, it makes it exceptionally hard to decide what is foul and what isn’t. The obvious answer is just call it as you see it and the overly physical team fouls out but that never happens… For some reason officials feel the need to adjust to the more physical team and that almost always makes them look like they have vision problems.
All in all I think we played well in a tempo we’re not very familiar with though the decision making at the end needs to get better.
I actually didn't think KSU was that physical in the first 3 or 4 minutes
But the officiating was bizarre from the beginning, which gave them license to get more physical.
KU had two more team fouls than KSU did
Naturally, KState fans think this is wrong as well and are blaming refs. Sheesh.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
It was 18-12 before they started fouling at the end.
No reason K-State fans should be complaining.
Well, I guess that’s not technically true. I’d be complaining if I was a K-State fans
Exactly
Game was horribly called but rational ksu fans won’t complain for 2 reasons- 1 they got at least as many of the bad ones in their favor and (more importantly) if the refs called a better game it would have been a tighter game and thus a ku blowout. They let you play the only type of game you had any hope winning. Feel blessed.
speak of the devil
kate upton is going to be on letterman in a bit
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Best part of the game, for me
Is at the 11-8 mark in the first half, Withey gets a rebound, gets mauled by KSU players (a good on-purpose foul, prevented a lay-up and made him earn it at the line) and the crowd just boos like crazy. I think they would boo even if one of their players took a wrench to an opponents head.
Apart from the usual stupidity like that, great crowd. I think I’m ready to officially anoint the Octagon as the hardest place for us to play. Their bloodthirst for KU makes it tougher than other places that have given us fits, such as Gallager-Iba and whatever the name of Texas’ home court is.
Shit happens when you win championships
Plus I don't get the "beating KSU doesn't feel as big" sentiment from a lot of KU fans
Sure its not Missouri, but their fans should make it worthwhile for us. Camped out all day, the biggest game of the year for them, their superbowl, and we won. Kept our Big 12 title hopes alive. Likely knocked them out of the NCAA tournament. KSU fans I know are going nuts. The crazy hatred KSU fans have for KU makes these wins super awesome. I’m excited to see this rivalry get even bigger now that the traitors in the East are leaving.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm also excited for the rivalry
If Martin can recruit, we could have some serious games over the next few years. In any case, Bramlage is no longer a pushover, which makes the rivalry more fun.
Frank Erwin Center I believe.
Or is that Baylor? I know it’s a Texas school.
Irwin is Texas
Which isn’t a great home court at all. GIA is OSUs home court and up until a few years ago was one of the best advantages in the nation. Then they expanded it and it became very average against teams not named KU
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