Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: This Week In GIFs

Comparing Thomas Robinson and Tyshawn Taylor to Other College BasketballDuos

Last week Sports Illustrated's Luke Winn discussed the balance of the respective contending teams in his weekly power rankings. He found, as you can imagine, that Kansas had the least balance of any team in the country when taking into account both the starting five as well as the top six players. That group is obviously dominated by the play of Thomas Robinson and Tyshawn Taylor, who might have been the best duo in the country thus far.

But are they the best? Let's take a look at some other duos from other good teams. First, a couple ground rules:

1. I only looked at teams in the top 20 in the KenPom rankings here, under the assumption that if the duo isn't good enough to get a team into the top 20 in KenPom they probably aren't the best duo in the country.

2. With an exception, this mainly looks only at recognizable (or semi-recognizable) duos.

The Duos are:

1. Kansas (Thomas Robinson and Tyshawn Taylor)

2. Ohio State (Jared Sullinger and Aaron Craft)

3. Kentucky (MKG, Anthony Davis)

4. North Carolina (Harrison Barnes, Tyler Zeller)

5. Baylor (Pierre Jackson, PJ3)

The chart: (possessions used, or in layman's terms how involved in the offense a player is, is the x-axis, and offensive rating, basically how effective a player is on offense, is the y-axis):

Star-divide

Duochart_medium

A couple notes:

  • Kentucky's main strength is definitely their depth, as MKG and Davis have been really good this year, but what makes it even better is that they have Terrence Jones, Marquis Teague, etc. to make up for it.
  • This obviously doesn't take defense into account. Overall MKG and Davis are the best defensive duo, with MKG being a great perimeter defender and Davis the third best shot blocker in the country. Tyshawn is a very good perimeter defender as well, and Robinson is the best defensive rebounder in the country. And Craft has been his usual self on the perimeter and Sullinger is a great defensive rebounder as well.
  • Because the usage rates are so varied, it's unclear who the "best" duo is, but there's no doubt that the duo in Lawrence are most important to their team's success. And there's probably no duo I'd take over them either.

Comment 10 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Am I correct in thinking that that’s a pretty huge usage rate gap, and a relatively medium-sized o-rtg gap?

by jayhawk3r on Feb 10, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

yes

Kentucky’s is a bit higher but from 20-28ish is really big

I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter

by fetch9 on Feb 10, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy that UK gets even fewer bench possessions than KU

I thought we had talked about their depth all year…
But on the topic at hand, I think 8% more usage per player makes any comparisons impossible, but thanks to Fetch for taking the time to put this together regardless!

What does a man have to do around here to get a championship?
Hit me up on twitter: @RockChalkChief

by KU Chief on Feb 10, 2012 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

About the only thing we can say for sure

is UNC’s duo is better than Baylor’s duo.

I’d take our duo over any of them, and I bet our numbers would look better if we just looked at conference play. Tyshawn has been a different player these last four weeks.

by KSinDC on Feb 10, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Are you picking PG/PF duos or picking by possessions used?

It seems like Kentucky must have a duo that’s averaging more than 21% of possessions used.

by KSinDC on Feb 10, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

I went with

Who I judged to be the “best.” they had some higher usage duos but the O ratings would have taken a dip so I put Davis there and not jones.

I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter

by fetch9 on Feb 10, 2012 3:52 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Along those same lines

I was thinking Marshall and Barnes might be a better pair for UNC

Use the forks

by PenHawk on Feb 11, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Zeller's the best player on the team

I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter

by fetch9 on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Rock Chalk Talk is your independent source for Jayhawk sports news, information and conversation on the web. Our goal is to provide Kansas Jayhawk fans a diverse, fair and public forum to talk Kansas sports.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Big XII has golden opportunity
Small
Power Ranking the Big East Teams
Small
Power Ranking the SEC Football Teams
Small
Dan Devine 101-30 at mizzou and don faurot 113-63 at mizzou
Small
Power Ranking the Big 12 Football Teams
Small
Best Conference Realignment Scenarios
Photo_small
RCT Beer Review: Summer Honey
Mario_small
RCT Mailbag Reminder!
Small
Kansas Basketball Recruiting Chart
Small
Marquis Jackson moves to running back

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Rock Chalk Talk on Facebook

Owen Kemp and Rock Chalk Talk on Twitter


Managing Editor

Rctfinalcircusstepdown_2_small Owen

Assistant Editor

Wardenhatcopy_small Warden11

Mario_small fetch9

Contributing Authors

Small hiphopopotamus

Todd_small ajanzen

David_stuff_small PenHawk

Small KU Grad 08