Kansas Jayhawk News and Notes 1.7.12
by Owen on Jan 7, 2012 3:00 AM CST
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Kansas Basketball
Lon Kruger, rebuilding Sooners host Jayhawks | KUsports.com
KUSports preview.
Markieff Morris continues hot start; Marcus puts up 33-16-5 in NBADL debut | 'Hawks in the NBA | KUsports.com
Nice D-League performance for Morris. Seems like maybe the fit just isn't right at the moment in Houston because games like this would suggest he can produce.
Kansas, Oklahoma still tied together | KUsports.com
A few parallels.
Big 12
Twitter wars precede Missouri men's basketball game at Kansas State - Columbia Missourian
This is pretty good.
College Football
SEC Commissioner: "Changes Are Coming to the BCS" | Barking Carnival
More on the playoff system from Mike Slive
Video: Landon Collins Commits To Alabama Over LSU And Momma Ain't Happy - SBNation.com
Brings a whole new level to the phrase a HOUSE DIVIDED!+
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But I’m making a comment. I’m sure everyone knows about it, and I’ll hear a lot of KU fans hate this comment. I was sad to see KState go down last night. I was really pulling for KState. It was a chance for the Big 12 to punch the SEC in the mouth. As much as I hate the “typical” KState fan, I hate the “typical” SEC fan 1000 times more.
Big 12 having a 33-5 record in non conference and bowls is very impressive, but I’d say this was the game I wanted to come out in the Big 12’s favor the most.
by hawkinwichita on Jan 7, 2012 4:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Adding...
Now that I got that out of the way, it’s game day. Hawks better be ready. After OU got embarrassed, I’m expecting them to come out and be ready to play ball.
by hawkinwichita on Jan 7, 2012 4:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was rooting for kstate as well
Come next season I don’t think there’s an instance where I root for a BIG 12 team to lose outside of playing against Kansas.
A Big 12 win to me is better than a kstate loss.
I have a hard time getting into that "Big 12 pride" type of mentality
if realignment has shown us anything, it’s that conferences are just loosely-affiliated groups of institutions who are all looking out for number one. Screw the Big 12 and the SEC.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
OK...
I see what your saying, but wasn’t our lil brother in the same boat as us? I could understand the hating on Nebraska, Colorado, Muzzling, A&M, OU, and Texas. Then there are the other guys. As far as we all know the other guys were and have always been loyal to the Big 12. Also, OU and Texas haven’t left. But football has driven conference realignment. We know the Big 12 is the best spot for KU. Every time the Big 12 gets a punch to punch every other conference in the mouth, it makes us stronger (more appealing). To me, it is easy to get on the Big 12 bandwagon.
by hawkinwichita on Jan 7, 2012 4:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone is loyal to the Big 12
as long as it’s the best situation they can get. It’s just business.
you really think the remaining teams are here because of loyalty?
because I think we’re all here either because A) we had no other options or B) we had no more lucrative options
Use the forks
For my part
I don’t subscribe to this theory.
We sometimes make economic models where people/companies/organizations always do what maximizes income for them, but those models only work as very crude representations. Motivations are complex and loyalty and income-seeking are both parts of that but neither fully explains behavior.
If Kansas cared about maximizing its income, it wouldn’t be selling out every game and it certainly wouldn’t be selling thousands of tickets at a discounted rate.
Saying that schools have to do whatever makes them the most money is something MU and Texas fans tell themselves to make them feel better about their schools’ behavior.
Selling some tickets at a discounted rate
does not account for the levels of money a school stands to gain or lose with these enormous TV contracts.
Use the forks
Enormous TV contracts...
Those are awarded to conferences based off product on the field. We don’t get those unless we hold our own against other conferences. Wins over the SEC could only help us in negotiations. Yes, population has some to do with this, but if it was only population the Big East would have a monster contract.
by hawkinwichita on Jan 7, 2012 6:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its population
Plus passion (or multiplied by). Ultimately it’s about ratings and ad revenue. Big east isn’t an interesting product nor does it have a ton of fans, therefore it’s not a valuable product.
Really?
4000 student tickets are sold at $10 per game.
Those tickets would go for anywhere from $50 to $200 if sold to the general public.
20 home games per year times 4000 tickets times $75 per ticket is six million dollars per year.
Point is that
it is in the long term financial interest of KU to give students discounted tickets despite what that means to the short term income. Everything is a purely economic decision- you just have to include all the factors.
No it's not
If that made sense, you’d see teams that are actually in business to make money doing so. The Jayhawks have greater surplus demand for their tickets than the Chiefs or Royals but neither of those teams is selling a quarter of their tickets for 90% off face value.
The school does it because it values things other than money.
Even the Chiefs and Royals are far from rational economic actors
But they’re far more profit-minded than the KU athletics corporation.
It is in the long term
Financial interest of ku to create more fans and maintain the afh mystique. Short term you’re right but long term is the name of the economic game in college athletics.
Is there any other business that does this?
Sells a quarter of its product for 90% off?
If you assume that the Jayhawks are acting to maximize long-term financial return, you have to conclude that selling a quarter of the tickets at 90% off is maximizing long-term financial return, but I think the fact that it’s such an unusual business model in the for-profit world ought to make you question that assumption.
It's not uncommon
To lose money on a product to promote future gain. That’s exactly what is happening here- its part of the long term marketing strategy – not a ton different from auto makers.
Find my another business with a similar business model that does anything close to this
Unlike the automakers, who can make as many cars as they can sell (and so can sell inexpensive cars at no loss as long as they cover their variable costs on them, which they do), KU has a hard cap on the number of tickets it can sell. It’s selling out every game.
Find me a restaurant that has every table full each night or a broadway show that’s sold out or a hotel that’s fully booked or any comparable business model that sells some huge portion of its tickets at a deeply discounted rate. I don’t think it exists. If KU truly was profit maximizing, it should be common.
Entertainment in general
definitely does this. Broadway, music, movie theaters, professional sporting events, clubs… All give away a ton of free tickets to sold out events. Is it 1/4 of the arena, probably not, but it’s the same concept. It’s just part of the marketing plan.
College kids, in particular, have a ton of free and discounted options in various aspects of their consumerism for the same reason KU gives the discount. They have a long consumer life and gaining brand loyalty early is absolutely increases long-term revenue for companies.
Tell me where to find these free tickets
Most entertainment isn’t sold out, but if you know where to find free or deeply discounted tickets to Spiderman on Broadway or the opening weekend of a Harry Potter film or a MLB playoff game or even a NFL regular season game (at most stadiums), I’d be eager to hear more about it.
I’ve seen plenty of places that give away tickets that weren’t going to sell anyway, but then you’d be talking about a model that makes sense for Mizzou, not KU.
Not even discounted
given away. Various groups take advantage and it’s basically a write off for the group in the name of marketing. My company takes advantage of this all the time and I’ve been to many sold out events on broadway taking advantage of this.
Any information on how/where to get these?
KU at least has the good sense to limit its ticket giveaways to a group it controls. I’m pretty skeptical that other entertainment players are regularly giving away to any manner of groups.
What about all the money that KU leaves on the table in other ways
MU tickets costs the same as TT tickets. The first ticket sold costs the same as the last ticket sold. None of that is what you’d expect.
The business model for sports teams is about the same as for airlines or hotels. High fixed costs, but marginal costs are near zero. You’d expect to see the same sort of highly variable market-sensitive pricing if KUAC was profit-maximizing. The fact that it doesn’t (and in fact sells huge quantities of tickets at huge discounts even for its most sought after games) ought to make you question whether KUAC is truly profit-maximizing.
Missouri tickets
(and KSU and Texas) are definitely more than TT tickets.
Is that true for tier 1, 2 and 3?
My memory from a couple years ago was that only GA tickets had different face value for those games and it was all academic because those games had no GA tickets available anyway.
Yes...
I truly believe that KU and KState would rather be in the Big 12 then any other conference. I don’t think either would of left if another conference came calling, while knowing the Big 12 would survive. In other words, if KU or KState were in Nebraska,Colorado, Muzzou, or A&M’s shoes, no we wouldn’t of left.
by hawkinwichita on Jan 7, 2012 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't realize you were in a position to make these decisions
But clearly you are. Otherwise you wouldn’t be making such definitive statements.
At any rate, if we were offered more money to join a conference that’s actually stable, I would certainly home we’d take it. Turning it down out of some twisted sense of “loyalty” to a group of schools that clearly could take or leave us would be pretty stupid.
Use the forks
How could anybody not be in a position to decide what they think?
He tells you what he “thinks” and “truly believes” and you tell question whether he’s in a position to make that decision?
no no no
you completely misunderstood.
It was referring to the sentence :
In other words, if KU or KState were in Nebraska,Colorado, Muzzou, or A&M’s shoes, no we wouldn’t of left.
He was implying that he can say with certainty that we wouldn’t have left under those circumstance.
Use the forks
He's restating what he believes
He’s made a statement about what he believes, and then he uses “in other words” to introduce a restatement of that belief.
agreed
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 9, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Problem is
if we left the Big 12 for, say, the ACC we would be losing a lot of local exposure. And local exposure is far more valuable for a school than the national exposure we might gain. I certainly think there’s a value discussion that would need to happen to determine if the ACC, SEC or even Big 10 would be a better option than the (quite stable now) Big 12, but it’s far from a no brainer.
I think there's an argument
that in the long term Missouri made a bad economic decision. There is absolutely an economic advantage to maintaining regional rivalries. That said, it’s not loyalty by any means. Every school in Missouri’s position would have explored the option. The skirt lifting the year before is a bit unseemly of course.
The Collins video is fabulous
Momma isn’t upset nearly as much as she overtly cheers for the team her son didn’t choose. Is there going to be trash talking around the dinner table?
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