Justin McCay Will Transfer To Kansas
by Owen on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 AM CST
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Justin McCay spent the last 48 hours on campus visiting the University of Kansas for his second recruitment so to speak, and it appears the former four star wide receiver is going to be a Jayhawk. JayhawkSlant is reporting that McCay has given a commitment to Charlie Weis and is currently taking the necessary steps to enroll as a transfer this coming Spring.
Just two years ago McCay was one of the more sought after recruits in the Kansas City area before electing to play his college ball for Bob Stoops and the Oklahoma Sooners. McCay was the top player in the State and ranked 6th among all receivers in the 2010 class. At the time many believe his second choice would have been Kansas State with Missouri, Kansas, Oregon, Florida State, Florida, Notre Dame, Georgia and others all offering the Bishop Miege wideout a scholarship.
Heading into this decision McCay is said to have received a special release from Oklahoma that allows him to transfer within the conference without the added eligibility penalty that an in conference transfer normally sustains . With that, McCay was set to evaluate opportunities close to home at Kansas, Kansas State and possibly Missouri. This go around the momentum shifted a bit in terms of the situation at Kansas. With the hire of Weis and subsequent hire of McCay's former coach Tim Grunhard, McCay had a familiar face to identify with on the new Jayhawk staff.
All said and done Kansas was his first visit and his last. The Jayhawks add a 6'2" 210 pound wideout transfer and the former four star player will have a second chance to make an impact, this time with a team right in his own backyard.
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wow
the good lego pieces keep coming. this is pretty awesome
"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
A-whoo-hoo!
And yes, that is a play on yesterday’s post about the whoo…
What? A girl who likes sports...INCONCEIVABLE!
So what is..
added eligibility penalty that an in conference transfer normally sustains? Is that 2 years sitting out?
yes
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yes...
Usually you sit a year and lose an extra year in conference. If that would have been the case it really wouldn’t have made sense to transfer here. This way he still has two years left. At least that’s how I read the initial report on the whole deal.
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the KC star reported that he will have 3 yrs eligibility left after sitting out one.
not sure if its accurate. I assumed that meant he RS’d at Okla.
BOOM!
Are you kidding me? This is amazing. We could be back to the days of a high profile offense folks!
by I need more Esteban on Jan 6, 2012 11:47 AM CST reply actions
Why amazing?
We’re getting a decent-sized WR who really didn’t do anything at OU to transfer to us.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
offers from
Oregon, Florida State, Florida, Notre Dame, and Georgia doesn’t excite you? 6th ranked WR in the country in 2010? Obviously recruiting rankings can mean anything but it seems like a pretty damn good get to me.
This is like an OU basketball fan not being excited about a transfer from KU who was offered by Syracuse, Indiana, Michigan St., and UCLA because he didn’t play much as a freshman at Kansas.
by I need more Esteban on Jan 6, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Not really
Those offers from two years ago are meaningless. This kid went to a big time football program in OU. He didn’t really do anything while there.
Stars, offers, etc…..those are all based on potential. We can ignore all that now that we have real world experience to base the analysis on. This kid is nothing more than a local area athlete who’ll add to the depth of an already solid (and plentiful, although inexperienced) core of WRs at KU.
I just don’t think that’s anything amazing.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
It has the potential to be though
Remember, Arthur Brown played minimally in two years at Miami and seemed like a bust, but all he needed was a change of scenery and a new coach for him to have a pretty damn good year for K-State. Not saying that McKay will have that sort of impact, but he could.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
He also had some pretty damn good players in front of him
Ryan Broyles, Kenny Stills, Jaz Reynolds. Any of those guys would be a number 1 wideout for us.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
While I agree on rankings being based on potential and not having huge merit
I disagree in your disregard for acknowledging where our program is. 2.1 makes 2 great points below in that our depth chart is very different than OU’s. OU’s number 4 receiver is probably better than our #1.
I, personally, don’t think who offered him is meaningless. We aren’t on the level of any of those programs so to add someone w/ that much potential to, what has been a core of receivers who have done nothing here, is awesome. Change of scenery, new coaches, new confidence and a team where he gets a chance to get in the game and things could be very different.
by I need more Esteban on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Now you're just being a contrarian...
Our current WRs might be the second worst unit on our roster (DL) and now we added a guy with some credentials. Esteban’s analogy is right on. He’s not going to single-handedly change our program, but I’d much rather him on our roster than Kstate’s or Missouri’s.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
and another thing
can you give me reasons why our WR core is “solid”? Yes, most of them were rated highly coming out of high school and looked promising coming in based on size and potential, but that is the exact argument you’re making to not be that excited about McCay.
I don’t think Webb is a good QB at all, but one factor in him struggling so much has to be the lack of any WR’s save DJ Beshears to throw to.
by I need more Esteban on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
And he's a KC area guy
That means something – will be in front of family and friends and playing for some pride on that end.
Certainly seems likely
he’s an upgrade from our current guys. Not sure how this is anything but a positive.
Gehrig who??
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
by labbadabba on Jan 6, 2012 12:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Dieter
has anyone been noticing his tweets the past few days?
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Kansas is the worst team in the Big 12
SMU has Garrett Gilbert. Better than heaps and crist
I want to win and I don’t think KU has the defense to win. And my relationship with the coaches at smu
Just some samples from his twitter.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get it
if he’s so worried about KU and the need to justfy his choice:
1) Why did he open recruiting up to KU in the first place?
2) If he’s that insecure why did he not commit to KU? (Not that I would really want him now that I’ve gotten a taste of his character)
18 y/o boys can be pretty obnoxious, but some definitely more than others. Now I see why all the commenters in the local South Bend paper were bagging on this kid.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
by labbadabba on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
first after he lost 500+ followers after his commit to SMU, he tweeted:
“KU fans are a bunch of haters.”
Later on, presumably after reading some fan reactions he posted:
“SMU has Garrett Gilbert. Better than heaps and crist.”
Then this gem:
“KU is the worst team in the Big 12”
What a peach.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
I tried to ignore
the people saying that this guy wasn’t who you’d want representing your school. Hard to keep ignoring that at this point.
Well he's Rivals rated at 5.6
so that’s usually a 3 star
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Best of luck to the young man
Hated to see him go, but happy to know that he’s found somewhere close to home and hopeful it works out for you guys. Really hoped he would have got his chance this year at OU, but he just couldn’t ever get on the field. Rumors were our coaches tried to convince him to switch to defense (as I’m sure you know, he starred at LB & WR @ Miege), but evidently couldn’t convince him. Bob Stoops has more than his share of detractors, but I found it to be incredibly cool that he’d grant that special release.
Even after two years in Norman, still pretty raw for a WR in terms of route running ability. But obviously the athleticism is off the charts. So long as he doesn’t pull a Dez Briscoe against us, I hope the kid has a ton of success for you.
If I recall, Dez Briscoe
never managed a ‘W’ so, I think you’ll be alright! Any chance we can get Geneo Grissom while you’re at it?!
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Ha! I sure hope not
I’ve been very surprised that Grissom has yet to really see the field. I’d hope that next year, w/ both our DEs leaving, that he finally gets his shot because the kid is a beast!
Kudos to OU and Stoops for granting the release
A) It makes them avoid looking petty, as many schools do in these types of situations.
B) It projects an attitude of “We’re confident it how good we are, so we don’t care where he transfers”.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Or
Bob Stoops is really smart and knows that this kid won’t amount to anything on the field.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Here's your sign...
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
by labbadabba on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Rivet, you are a downer
I think you need more sunshine and maybe some tunes. Try listening to Phish or something, they have just the kind of energy you need.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Why so negative?
He was at OU for two years. One was a redshirt and he did not get to play at all. The second year he was injured for a good part of the year and had no opportunity to play and did little in the time he was given. How dare him not be an impact player as a freshman. Its not like OU has any talent on their depth chart. Oh wait thats right, starting the season OU was seen as the best offense in the nation. Your getting down on a kid because he was not an all star right from the get go. You should be excited as hell like all the other fans.
Welcome to Jayhawk Nation Mr. McCay
by KUguy28 on Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it comes down to this:
I think you guys don’t give Bob Stoops enough credit for being an evaluator of talent. If he felt like this kid was a threat to OU, he wouldn’t have given him the special release. He’s gonna protect his own and I wouldn’t expect otherwise.
So why should KU fans start wetting their pants over a kid freely released by OU?
Just because he had good offers coming out of high school? Just because he went to OU and did little? Just because he’s a 3 star local kid.
I’m glad that he choose KU. But I don’t find his transfer anywhere close to the level of “amazing”. Nor do I see this kid as a program changer. It’s a good get. Hopefully he pans out. But it’s really not much more than that.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Stoops is a class act
He may think the world of McCay or he may not care about him but neither you nor I know for sure. What is very well known is that Bob Stoops is a very classy guy. If McCay came to him and said he wanted to play closer to home and the only options allowing that were in the same conference I would expect any classy coach to waive that rule. Stoops also knows that no one player is going to change a program. Also McCay was not just some 3 star local kid he was part of the rivals 100 best players in the nation and inside of the ESPN top 150 and scout listed him as a 5 star player. It was a consensus across the board that McCay has an incredibly high ceiling. Who better to help him reach that ceiling than an offensive guru such as HCCW? He will be tutored by Ianello who knows how to produce NFL caliber receivers.
I’m not saying McCay is going to come in and become an all american but I’m pumped up about the idea that he does have that kind of potential. Its confusing to me why you are purposely trying to downplay the significance of this transfer. It will play itself out in the future but for now just be a fan and get excited.
by KUguy28 on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree that Stoops is a class guy
but you can’t deny that McCay would be just as close to home playing in the SEC for MU as he would be for KU in the Big 12. So the whole “so he can play close to home” argument doesn’t really work.
And as far as McCay being on the rivals rah rah and ESPN blah blah….I tend to believe a lot of that is influenced by the schools the kid is committed to. If McCay commits to KU out of HS, I doubt he makes the rivals 100. But because he committed to OU, well shit he must be good if he’s going to OU, so he makes the list. I think that phenomena is prevalent.
What’s confusing to me is why you think I’m “purposely trying to downplay the signficance of this transfer”. I’m not. I just don’t think this is an amazing thing. At the end of the day we’re getting another team’s discards. I’ll start to be really excited and amazed when we start inking high school kids like McCay – when they’re still in HS and have the offers he had then.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Depends on how you look at it
McCay would be just as close to home playing in the SEC for MU
Distance from Bishop Miege to:
KU – 45 min to an hour
MU – 2 hours
OU – 5+ hours
I suppose 1 hour and 2 hours are equivalent for some but not for others.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 6, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Even if the offers from those schools are the reason what the matter with that?
You said earlier that we were not giving Stoops enough credit as an evaluator of talent. Well Stoops evaluated him out of HS and said he wanted him. So did Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Texas A&M, Oregon, and Notre Dame. All of those schools know what good talent looks like and every one of them gave him an offer out of HS. Even if those sites go off of scholarship offers it does not bother me all too much because those schools don’t go off of those sites they go off of what they see in film, games, and camps. He obviously has great ability and wants to bring it to our University.
You may not be downplaying it intentionally, but you are still downplaying it. You seem to come across as a loyal Kansas fan who has seen a lot of bad years and have just given up on becoming a football power. The average fan sees this and sees an opportunity for him to be great, but it seems as though you are looking at him as the next bust for us. I don’t know what you are actually thinking, but that is what it comes across as.
BTW what is the difference between a high school kid of McCays caliber and McCay himself other than years of eligibility? You cannot say because he must be a bust if he is transferring because he has not had enough time to show anything off yet. Also if you are excited about a Junior College kid why not be excited for McCay? They are essentially the same thing. In the end KU is gaining a very talented football player.
by KUguy28 on Jan 6, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
Stoops and others saw a lot of potential in McCay coming out of high school. But it doesn’t always work out. We now have two more years of data. And those two years were enough for Stoops to see this kid won’t be a threat to his program, IMHO. Thus the free release.
Again, I agree he has the opportunity to be great here at KU. Every kid we sign has that opportunity. McCay is no different. But again, I don’t think this transfer qualifies for the level of “amazing”.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
From what I have heard he is not transferring because of lack of talent
I have heard he is leaving because of a family issue and wanted to be closer to home. It was not that he did not fit into the OU program or was not good enough. OU is not just discarding him. I could be wrong but I’m not close to the situation. He is a local kid so it seems as though someone on these boards should know and I would be very curious to find out.
I thought I read his father passed away last year.
Definitely not sure about that.
So
Is he “a good get” or just “another team’s discards?”
Because you called him both. I agree with you that he’s not some future All-American destined to turn the program around, but when you start calling the kid a “discard” I think it shows that perhaps the state of the program the last couple years has you down on everything related to it.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
He's both
He’s a football power’s discard. For KU, at the moment, that’s a good get.
But I don’t think his transfer to KU is anything amazing.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
It's not
And for the most part, I don’t think anyone’s saying it is
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
Even if that's true, both those things still help OU's image
Plenty of teams have been less considerate of players trying to leave, no matter how good or bad the player was.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 6, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Well, so far we know Weis and co
can recruit the hell out of transfers…
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
The Honeymoon Phase
It helps. Still a lot of “wow” factor in the hire. Charlie is riding it as much as he can.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
If Weis brings a Big 12 title to Lawrence
before his five years are up will you still be talking about red flags? Just wondering. Because I think he might.
Sure he might. And then what?
He retires to FL, and we get……the continued reputation of a school with no continuity that loves to churn coaches.
One year of success, ala a conference championship or a BCS bowl win doesn’t ensure your football program is stable and set up for continued success. 2007 showed us that all too painfully.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
This is a ridiculous position
Kansas does not have a reputation for churning coaches. Kansas has a reputation for crappy football. Terry Allen got far longer here than he would’ve gotten at a school with a reputation for continuity. If Weis wins and leaves the cupboard full for the next guy, I don’t see how you can possibly object to that.
I have to agree with Rivet...
in that we have a serious lack of continuity reputation.
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Based on one coach?
Who hasn’t gotten a fair shot here?
If everyone has gotten a fair shot, then how is the continuity problem distinct from the crappy play problem?
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it is Weis or Joe Schmo
ANY coach that wins at KU is off to the next gig. So if Weis wins in 5 years or less and retires or goes somewhere so be it. If we hired any of our other candidates and they won they would also be off to the next best thing. This is not a destination job, regardless of what you want to believe.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
by KRichards on Jan 6, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
There’s this old dude to the west of us. He’s had not one but two tenures of winning. I don’t see him jumping off to the next gig.
This attitude that KU is just a stepping stone is part of our problem. Thankfully, I don’t believe Zenger has it. And based on the $ the boosters are willing to pay, I don’t believe they do either.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Definte lack of continuity
and in some ways changing coaches would seem to perpetuate that, the difference this time is that Weis has already said he plans to rebuild the program and leave in 5 years. A couple years into a 5 year contract, most coaches would get an extension for recruiting continuity. In this case, expect to have a coach in waiting announced at that time or earlier. Expect the entire staff to remain intact with one new coach added. That’s lots of continuity. No problem. Nothing to see here. Let’s move along.
And that's the very best scenario.
Five years later and it’s a new coach.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
KS fired a coach not once, but twice.
The SAME guy. Not many other school share that distinction. KU definitely is know as a school that changes coaches frequently with little continuity.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
If you look at other programs with a similar track record of losing
I think you’ll see the same thing. We just notice it more at KU because it’s our school. Can you name programs out there who stick with coaches who produce terrible football teams? Is that what you’re suggesting we do?
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
by PenHawk on Jan 7, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think our hiring firing practices from 40 years ago matter as much to our current reputation
As the record in games against K-State 40 years ago matter to whether there’s a rivalry today.
Pick any other historically crappy BCS football team and they have the same number of coaches over the last 10/20/30 years. We don’t have a continuity problem beyond having a crappy football team problem.
Justin McCay
Coach Stoops has signed the letter so that Justin only sits out 1 year and not the usual 2 that would go with an in conference transfer. Coach Weis has had quite a first month on the job. Getting Crist to come over all though he is using the special transfer after completing his undergraduate studies at Notre Dame. To get Jake Heaps who will sit out the one year as well then go into the ’13 season as the proposed starter. Lets see how this change comes about Jayhawk Nation.
Tommy Gallegos
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