Kansas Adds Another Win Over Kansas State In Lawrence
Conference openers against an instate rival aren't supposed to be easy, but at the end of Wednesday night's Sunflower Showdown Kansas had things well in hand. It wasn't always pretty, but the Jayhawks were just too much for the Kansas State Wildcats despite a performance that included a few too many turnovers and some fairly careless basketball during stretches of the game.
The Jayhawks started strong early and held an 18 point lead at one point in the first half before Kansas State clawed their way back into this one. It was a fairly typical flow for a Kansas versus Kansas State game in Lawrence. And then, so it goes, Kansas runs away with it.
A pair of three pointers by Conner Teahan just when Kansas State had closed the gap proved huge in getting the Kansas offense back on track. The Jayhawks would then use a solid defensive effort midway through the second half to pull away. For Kansas it represents another solid win over a ranked opponent and the win means Kansas has taken 43 of the last 46 games in this series.
Still you have to think that Kansas State will be a solid team in the Big 12 and the Wildcats will certainly be ready and looking to return the favor when Kansas heads to Manhattan. But for tonight Kansas get's the early win 67 to 49 and the Jayhawks start Big 12 play with a win keeping pace with Baylor and Missouri, two teams who suddenly seem to be the media favorites in the conference after strong early season starts.
Travis Releford led the Jayhawks with 16 points and 11 rebounds, both career highs for the redshirt junior. Kansas also received a strong performance from Thomas Robinson who dropped in 15 points and grabbed 14 rebounds despite some foul trouble and Jeff Withey quietly added a very nice performance for the Jayhawks on the interior with 8 points, 6 blocks and 9 rebounds.
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Wait, how could Thomas Robinson get in foul trouble?
When the refs won’t ever call fouls on KU, especially in AFH? THE REFS GAVE KU THE GAME. ITS ALL THE REFS FAULT. KState deserved to win.
Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs Refs
Shit happens when you win championships
Now we have an automatic response whenever someone claims that
“Go watch the first 10:00 of the second half of KU-KSU on January 4 and tell me KU gets all the calls in AFH.” Nobody will be able to keep claiming that with a straight face.
No joke
Every fan base watches the game with a bias, and I’m terrible in regards to KU games. But KState fans are something else.
Someone just texted me “won’t say good game cuz you guys got handed another game at home against us by the refs”
Dude you lose by an average of like 20 points in Lawrence. The refs? Really?
Its Allen Fieldhouse guys. You only win here if
a) KU plays poorly and plays a VERY good team
b) One of our players’ mother passed away hours before tip off
Otherwise, you aren’t going to win. Period, cut and dry.
The game in Manhattan will be different, and at the very least it will be super close. But I’m sorry, we aren’t losing in Lawrence.
Shit happens when you win championships
I find this amusing
21 fucks, 11 comments about the refs and one guy that needs some help.
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/1/4/2681459/open-game-thread-k-state-vs-ku
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
I don't even want to click on that
But it blows my mind that KSU fans are complaining about the refs tonight. It shouldn’t based on past history, but it does.
that's incredible
I especially like at the end where they’re all saying “we’re still a better team than KU”
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
I mean, clearly
I wish everyone would shut up about the whole depth thing. You only need 7 good players to succeed, and Self rarely plays more than 8 anyways.
KSU keeps saying they go 10-11 deep. Great. Who are these 9-11 players? Nino Roberts? Than Angel kid? Diaz? Give me a break.
KU has a better starting 5 and a better coach.
Shit happens when you win championships
Yeah, it's a very dumb comment to make after last night.
Basing it on KSU shot poorly and got outrebounded? Ok, KU was as careless as it gets with the ball and still destroyed you. There’s just no way it can be argued logically.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
The MU fans thought the officiating was so bad, they had to turn it off
http://www.rockmnation.com/2012/1/5/2684005/mizzou-links-1-5-12#87654457
I don’t know how much the fanbase reflects the mentality of the team, but this victimhood complex can’t but help us when other teams come to KU. If you think you’re going to lose, you probably will, regardless of whether its for a valid reason or an imaginary one.
Its just a small picture thing
MU and KState fans can never look at the big picture.
KSU/MU fan: OH MY GOD THIS ONE, ONE CALL IZ BAD.
KU fan: 19 fouls called on us, 15 on KState
KSU/MU fan: I HATE KU AND MULLETS ARE COOL. I ALSO LOVE WINDBREAKERS
KU fan: Ok, wanna talk about the game more?
KSU/MU fan: YOU ONLY WIN CUZ YOU CHEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOU CHEAT OH MY GOD I HATE KU I CRY IM SO ANGRY
Shit happens when you win championships
to be fair to MU fans
I think they love jean shorts more than windbreakers.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
by PenHawk on Jan 5, 2012 9:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was there tonight
and I like to think I keep as level a head about officiating as one can as a fan. But I cannot understand K-State fans bitching about the refs tonight. We won in spite of them, not because of them. The whole second half, they only allowed one team to play physical, and whistled the other for things that wouldn’t have drawn a glance in the first half. The officiating was unbalanced, inconsistent, and overall just piss poor.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
I thought you might be exaggerating,
but a glance at BotC shows that you’re not exaggerating much.
I’m starting to think that K-State fans might—-at heart—-be bitter, delusional, insecure little whiners. I know… I know… it’s hard to believe. The signs are so subtle that it’s easy to miss.
I was impressed with Withey's strength
This is the sort of game I would never have thought him capable of at the beginning of the year. By midway through the second half, I was annoying the KSU fans near us at the bar by shouting “There’s strong and then there’s Withey strong” after each time he got a block, pulled down a rebound, or forced a steal. It was obnoxious, but I felt I’d earned it after they made me sweat every basket in KSU’s comeback
by KSinDC on Jan 4, 2012 9:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Until now, I had missed the Newell post on Withey getting benched against ND for playing weak
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/newell_post/2012/jan/2/stats-free-recap-why-jeff-withey-ended-u/
I think, based on this game that the message was received loud and clear. Now, let’s see if Withey can sustain it for the next 17 games.
I'll rec that
There’s strong and then there’s Withey strong
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Self was playing the bench guys early and often
Young obviously kept playing through the whole game, while the minutes for Wesley and Tharpe (and, to a lesser extent, Teahan) dropped off. I didn’t see what got Tharpe pulled (although I did notice him running under several screens insteading of fighting through them. Did anyone else catch it?
3:50 mark in the first half
Tharp takes a shot without running any offense and misses. “Not sure why he took that shot.” “You can have that shot any time you want it.”
In that loose ball situation early in the game, I felt like Tyshawn wasn't fighting for it very hard
But even though it ended up going as a turnover and 2 points for them, I felt bad for criticizing him, not just because of the points Self has made this week (going to break at the under 8 TV timeout, they replayed one of those “bad shots” where it’s clear Tyshawn is just passing it to T-Rob off the backboard) but because Tyshawn was on the floor, legs splayed, struggling for the ball with his knee exposed at an awkward angle. I’d rather he let all of those go than risk re-injuring his knee.
2 other points on TT:
- You’d never know by watching tonight that he had an injured knee. There were several plays where he looked as explosive as any player in the country
- Whoever was guarding TT has pretty fast hands. He had two perfectly clean strips. The contrast between his fast hands and Spradling’s mugging-as-defense style was pretty dramatic.
I don't see a lot of KSU
But I don’t get the “Spradling is a great defender” angle a lot of my KSU buddies give me. Seems to me like he is a very good outside shooter, can distribute and move the ball, but on defense has little chance against a quick player.
Like I said though, I’ve only seen them play 2-3 times this year so maybe I’m way off. I just don’t see how KSU’s guard play can get them to the top of the league. McGruder is their only player that scares me on offense, and you saw how a good defender (Releford) can really throw him off his game.
KState is always going to be a very good defensive team under Martin. They’ve got the Big 10 “physical, chippy, etc.” defense down and it will keep them in almost every game. Just don’t think they have the firepower to take the next step. Jacob Pullens don’t grow on trees, and many games last year, he was their offense.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
K-State would be a great fit in the Big 10
In the Big 12, it really depends on the refs they get. I actually thought that they were pretty fortunate with the refs tonight, as they drew guys who let lots of hand-checking (or arm-checking, in Spradling’s case) go on the perimeter, but called it pretty tight inside.
For the game
KU had 19 fouls. KState had 15.
KState also leads the nation (or comes damn close) in fouls every year, to boot.
I actually think KSU would do worse in the Big 10, because I think their style wouldn’t catch teams like it does in the Big 12. A lot of teams play KSU in our league that simply haven’t seen/aren’t prepared for that style and defense. As a result, they can’t score and lose. But in the Big 10, every team is used to that style. And like I said earlier, when you don’t have offensive firepower, it catches up to you.
They’d still be a good team, probably do as well. I just don’t know if they’d do better. In fact, in many cases, they might be playing into the other team’s hands (like their loss to Wisconsin in the tournament last year).
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I started to say they'd do well, but I changed it to they'd be a great fit
for exactly the reasons you mention.
There’s a value in playing an unconventional style for your league, and that value would disappear if they were in the Big Ten.
What makes KU so good every year, or at least one of the best teams in the league
Is that we always are committed to defense. We’ve won some UGLY games in the past, especially this year. Self’s commitment to D is huge. And that he constantly gets top notch recruits to buy in is even bigger.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
A few things: he's white, he takes charges, and he dives for loose balls.
But I don’t get the "Spradling is a great defender" angle a lot of my KSU buddies give me
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Interesting strategy by Self
I assumed we’d come out jacking up 3 pointers like crazy, in a repeat of the N. Dakota game, because K-State packs it in and plays such tight 2-pt FG defense. Instead we spread the court and force them to choose between aggressive man-to-man defense and the ability to double team T-Rob in the post. When KSU finally dropped back into a zone, we took advantage of the open looks from 3, but we were using the 2-point shot percentage to create the 3s rather than vice versa.
It was a surprise to me, and it worked very well. I hope to see us spreading the court again against undersized teams, even though it means a few more turnovers on long cross-court passes. For the most part, I trust our guys with the dribble in that situation.
I completely agree
nice synopsis. Still not sure we had 19 turnovers and won by that margin.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
Anyone watching this Texas/ISU game?
ISU was up 10 at half, up 15 or so at one point, and are currently up 4 with 42.1 left in the game.
Longhorns played without J'Covan Brown
But even with him, not sure if they would have won in Ames. Good to see Fred making Hilton a tough place to play again.
Is it Withey's stamina
or why does he only get 24 minutes? He played great.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
The Kentucky game was telling, to me
He played out of his mind the first half, then REALLY wore down in the second half.
I think Self likes to keep him fresh, plus we need our reserve bigs to keep getting as much seasoning as we can afford to give them. Especially with both Withey and Robinson’s penchant for picking up fouls.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
He looked like he had plenty of energy in the second half
But that may be because Self is resting him early. He certainly looked gassed against Kentucky and at times in Maui.
I also felt like Self was making an effort to get the bench players in early. Maybe he just didn’t want to pull Young and (to a much lesser extent) Wesley while they were playing well.
He had a bit of foul trouble early, IIRC, which was one cause of the low minutes
But he does seem to get tire, though it’s not like that is unusual for a 7-footer.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
In the second half, KU went nearly 5 minutes without scoring a point
Unfortunately that is going to happen this year, and happen often. Need to keep playing lights out on D to ensure it isn’t a backbreaker.
Shit happens when you win championships
There were a couple times that KState seemed go on little runs
once in each half, but both times seemed to be when there were a lot of 2nd string players on the floor for us. It seemed to me that the droughts/runs stopped each time the starters were reinserted.
Yeah, there were a few stretches of really bad offense/ballhandling.
Works against KSU, against a team that can score (Missouri) it might not work.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
When the Withey is woofing
opponents are grateful to see him resting on the bench. He showed more aggression tonight than I can remember for any two games this year (or for the total of all last year).
It is heartening to watch him when his feet aren’t glued to one spot on the floor.
RRROOOOCK CHAAAALLLK! JAAAAYYYHAAAAWWWK! KAAAAYYY UUuuuUU!
Reminded me of Cole
Lot’s of differences, but the way he just sort of roamed near the basket, sometimes not really even guarding anyone, as much as controling the lane and swatting away shots.
So much for the the freshmen Gopson
If TRob is a brick, Gipson is a block, but i loved when they were commenting on his high BB IQ – right before he got schooled! I think he was a big reason TRob was virtually a double-double in the 1st half.
Didn't realize Travis' #'s were that strong
I was ready to defend him for the strong (non-stat) D on McGruder (5-14 for 15 pts, but it’s a huge bonus if he is the leading scorer.
TT owned the kitty backcourt
He seemed to go wherever he wanted whenever he wanted.
He was fouling, refs didn't call it
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Almost 4 double digit rebounders
Wow!
Bill’s gotta be tickled about that, especially after making such a point about it during and after the last game.
In honor of tonight's game against our new rival (go to hell Missourah)
Photoshops of Frank Martin!
Shit happens when you win championships
kstate is really overrated
They beat up on a bunch of nobodys and finally played a good team today and got crushed. I’m telling you guys this league is ours. Baylor will melt down like always and Missouri is thinner than we are. Were gunna kill them down low.
Definitely agree on the SOS perspective
Will be interesting to see the cat fight in the octogon this weekend. Any predictions? Who is the first to cough a hairball?
I think it will be close
KState MUST shoot well from three, but can’t you see them having a 10-22 type day from three? I can.
I think KSU wins. Games in Manhattan, they’ll be hungry after tonight’s ass kicking, Missouri hasn’t faced a good defensive team all year. Just have a wild feeling this is the game the Tiggers finally come back to earth.
Or maybe thats all wishful thinking.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Not wanting to be anywhere near a KState practice the rest of this week
It should be brutal, and provide plenty of motivation for Saturday, as opposed to the tiggers feeling rather full of themselves.
Does anyone else
just think they weren’t that good? We should have beat them by a lot more if not for our boneheaded plays. Watching them play a few times before last night and it seemed about like I thought it would go. Maybe the most overhyped regional team in my memory compared to what I estimate to be their skill level.
That West Virginia team they took to double OT is pretty good
And the Alabama team they pounded in KC is pretty good
And they beat Long Beach State worse than KU, L’Ville or UNC has been able to do.
There’s some reason for rating them that highly.
Nobody in the league has played a schedule remotely close to ours
But I’m not ready to crown us champs yet. We’ve had our vulnerabilities exposed already, which makes it easier on our conference opponents. That’s the downside of playing a much tougher schedule than anybody else. For the rest of the top 4, we’re going to have to work much harder in film session to figure out how to beat them because they haven’t played anybody at our level yet, so we don’t have an example to follow.
EJ was the only starter that didn't impress me
0-3 (2’s), 1-4 (3’s), 0 FT’s will do that.
Then surprised to see 8 R’s, 5 A’s, 3 Steals, 0 TO’s.
Glad to see that sort of contribution on an off shooting night. Didn’t Coach Self call him out earlier this year for not doing that? Ahhh, the sutble growth through the year. It certainly is nice to have the best coach/teacher this side of Larry Brown.
I was very surprised to see EJ's stat line
Because I felt like he disappeared this game. I’m going to blame it on the standard definition feed I was watching on rather than all the beers I had, but regardless, I’m glad the little stuff he was doing showed up in the box score because otherwise I think the fans (including me) might have gotten on him unfairly.
I thought he did great at slowing down the rest of the team multiple times.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
The plays I remember were
a three (and maybe a second) that rimmed out but was a good shot, and a drive to the basket where he penetrated but then pulled up from about 7 ft when I though he should have challenged the defender by going to the rim (and possibly dumped it to Withey). Before that, he had a nice take inside that resulted in a clean layup, which is a good sign, as was the lack of forced 3’s (at least I don’t recall any).
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
+24 Poss
“I’ve never in 27 years, including coaching 13-year-olds, I’ve never been part of a game where our team got its tail whipped in the physical part of the game the way we did today,” Kansas State coach Frank Martin said. “It was a complete mismatch. They got 24 more possessions than us.”
Any opinions from those that know BB
about the continuing “clear-out” rant.
When Taylor hit Spalding (?sp?) in the head
and the announcer wanted a flagrant foul call.
I think last year it would have been called an intentional.
Point of emphasis this year: “Officials are reminded that there can be incidental contact with the elbow above or below the shoulders; swinging of the elbow is required for the foul to be classified as a flagrant 1 or 2 foul. Some incidental contact is being penalized improperly.”
Yep. The swing wasn't wild, it was pretty close to being in line with his shoulders.
That’s legal.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
If this is real, it might be the best post game quote I've ever seen.
"I almost called a timeout when we were up 1-0," Martin said. "I was so excited we had a one-point lead in the first half."
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/04/3353335/k-state-suffers-familiar-fate.html#storylink=cpy
Heard it from his mouth on the radio postgame. Loved it.
What does a man have to do around here to get a championship?
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