Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: This Week In GIFs

Kansas Basketball Previews: Kansas State

Conference season kicks off with a home date vs. perhaps the school that will take Missouri's place as our chief rival after the season. Kansas State is off to a surprising 11-1 start that includes a very good win over Alabama, as well as a 17 point thrashing of Long Beach State.

The first two words that come to mind when looking at this game are rock fight. Both KU and Kansas State struggle on offense but have the potential to be stifling defensively. At 40.8% not many teams are better inside the arc defensively than the Wildcats, but one of them just so happens to be their opponent tonight: Kansas owns the 6th best two point defense in the country, allowing opponents to shoot just 38.8% inside the arc.

Kansas State's leading scorer is Rodney McGruder, averaging 12.3 ppg. McGruder has also done it rather efficiently, as the 6'4" Junior is shooting 54.5% from two. His three point shooting has fallen to just 31.3% this year (down from 40.8% last year), and though he is drawing more fouls, he is shooting just 65.6% from the line. Still, with his usage rate going up quite a bit from last season the fact that he has an eFG over 50% is impressive. Even more impressive has been McGruder's ability to create his own shot: He's taken a combined 59% of his shots either at the rim or jumpers from inside the arc. Of those shots, only a third of them have been on assists from his teammates. I would expect to see Travis Releford on him whenever possible (and hope to, if I am allowed to have an opinion on game strategy), and that matchup should be the one that decides the game.

Star-divide

For me offensively the big key will be whether Thomas Robinson is able to pass out of the double team. He's improved quite a bit over the course of the year, and his turnover rate is all the way down to 16.1%. The Wildcats don't have the big men they did a couple years ago, but Frank Martin can still throw four players 6'7" or taller at him if he chooses to stretch his bench a bit. However, given that two of them are 6'7" and two are lightly used 7 footers, the double team is going to have to come frequently, or else Robinson could have another field day.

The next key, then, will obviously be how well Kansas shoots from three. There is obviously more inherent randomness in how well a team shoots from three vs. from two, but you can bet that the team's most frequent three point shooters, Conner Teahan and Elijah Johnson, will have a lot of opportunities to shoot threes. Teahan takes 80% of his shots from behind the arc whereas Johnson takes two thirds of his attempts from deep, so expect them to take quite a few tonight as well. Kansas State defends the three well, but haven't really had to double the post much this year, so I expect Kansas to have more open looks than their other opponents so far. A hot night from either Teahan or EJ (or hell why not both?). Even better would be Tyshawn Taylor getting some open looks, with the Senior shooting over 50% from deep and being the rare Jayhawk (and player) who doesn't rely on catch and shoot abilities to shoot the three: 7% of his threes (which is more than it seems) have come without an assist.

Finally, I will be very interested to see how the non-KU guards play tomorrow: Elijah Johnson and Travis Releford played 31 minutes between them in the two meetings last year and with the type of pressure Frank Martin likes to apply on the perimeter in the half court offense it could cause the game to get out of hand early if they don't respond. Of course, if they can successfully enter the post against that pressure it could cause the game to get out of hand the other way.

I'm taking Kansas to win for one big reason: assuming Releford holds McGruder to even an average game (and I think he will), the Wildcats don't have enough scoring to keep up. They shoot just 34.8% from three, and take only 29.4% of their shots from deep. They're not terribly great from two either, but do get to the line a ton. Getting Thomas Robinson and Jeff WIthey into a lot of foul trouble (which, let's face it, is a total possibility) is probably their best route to winning the game, but they'll also have to shoot better than their season average of 65% from the line to do it.

KenPom predicts a 75-65 Kansas win. I think it will be closer than that, though if Kansas makes their free throws at the end the score could end up around there.

Comment 18 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Passing and turnovers are the keys

and will be all year. Can guys pass out of double-teams, pass over and through a zone and not turn it over? If the answer is yes, then KU will have another league title.

by jayhawk1996 on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

Seems to me that would be 1 three that was made without an assist. What am I missing?
the rare Jayhawk (and player) who doesn’t rely on catch and shoot abilities to shoot the three: 7% of his threes (which is more than it seems) have come without an assist.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I was wondering the same...

only that math doesn’t add up either. With 18 made threes, 1.26 of them would equal 7%.

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what I had to and just figured it was a rounding error.

Only one three made without an assist seems low for the primary ball handler, just not understanding the numbers.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This game is going to be one tough battle, and a great barometer for both teams

K-State matches up with us really well this year, just in terms of their overall depth and style of play. I think more than anything Withey is going to have to avoid foul trouble, because we will really need his rebounding and shot-blocking. Turnovers will obviously be key, but I feel like we actually do better with turnovers against teams that press because we are good enough at breaking the press to make up for the turnovers that are forced.
One thing I’m really pumped for is seeing Thomas Gipson play against T-Rob in the post. You can tell that both of those guys are weight-room beasts, and Gipson seems to really know how to throw his body around for a freshman.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Sucks but the refs will have a lot to do with this game.

I’m not looking forward to a pretty game and am bracing for foul trouble.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

I'm bracing for a typical KSU style game

In which they foul us like crazy, then their fans bitch afterwards about how many fouls were called on them and how we won because the refs favor KU.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

My favorite thing that I've come across after following a lot of SBnation blogs

Is that all fanbases believe they are getting jobbed by the refs, all believe that other top-tier programs are favored by the refs, and all fans of top-tier programs wonder why they always have to deal with some bench scrub going off for 20+ points while their team can’t hit the broadside of a barn.
Really helps with my blood pressure when I realize that I’m just engaging in the general fan experience when I go down any of those roads.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 4, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's already started. I just ignore it.
their fans bitch afterwards about how many fouls were called on them and how we won because the refs favor KU.

Nevermind that they were 331st in fouls committed last year and 347th the year before. It’s all because the refs favor KU.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jan 4, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I did the math once for KSU fans

Showed them that on average, KU got to the line something like 5 times more a game than their big 12 opponents did (just comparing KU and their opponent in that specific game).

Then I made the argument that there is no way this wouldn’t be the case, considering KU has been the best team in the league every year. Better teams are more athletic, have better bigs, and draw more fouls (usually). So that whooping 5 more FT attempts per game doesn’t mean shit.

I was simply told KU was a “gay school” and cheats as a response so I stopped trying.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And you leftout one of the biggest reasons (if not THE biggest reason)

KU wins games. In “close” games, the team behind fouls and the team with the lead (Kansas in many, many, many games) gets to shoot free throws. But logic goes out the window when dealing with this one.

I just don’t understand it coming from KSU fans. They play gorilla ball, they’re pretty good at it. Just accept it and move on.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jan 4, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm expecting a fairly easy KU win - the 9 point line seems a little low to me.

Why buck the trend? The Cats haven’t been within 14 of KU in Lawrence since Martin took over. Yes, this is the most vulnerable KU team in 4 years, but I have very little confidence the Cats won’t come out and play horribly in the first 5 minutes, digging themselves into a hole the KU D and crowd won’t let them crawl out of. I was at the embarrassment in Lawrence last year when there was a lid on the bucket. I REALLY don’t want to see that again. A loss won’t bother me, but a blowout will.

As far as fouls go, it’s up to Samuels and Henriquez to play smart and avoid foul trouble (oh dear Lord the Cats are in trouble already). I don’t trust Gipson or Diaz to play well against a very talented veteran like Robinson in the roughest environment in league. If Higgins is reffing it, I’m going to need a lot of alcohol.

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

BOYCOTT ESPN!

by Sean T on Jan 4, 2012 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think there is any way the game isn't close

Niether team has the offensive firepower to build a big lead. KU is so random that I have no idea. If we come out and play (on both ends of the floor) like we did against Ohio State we’ll win by 15. If we play poorly, KSU could easily steal it. And your guess is as good as mine as to which KU team shows up.

I’m going with KU simply because the game is in Lawrence. But the way this season has gone for us, little would surprise me.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jan 4, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And it was the nightmare scenario

How on earth can the Cats start every game so poorly in Lawrence? KU didn’t play very well the first two or three minutes and then poof, the Cats are down 18 points. Stupid plays by KU let the Cats back into the game in the middle of the second half, but the game was never in doubt. What a miserable performance by the Cats, but I’m none too impressed by KU either. I thought the turnover issue was over blown. Boy was I wrong. Yeah, KSU played some solid D at times, but is this the dumbest team Self has had?

"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain

BOYCOTT ESPN!

by Sean T on Jan 4, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Withey is the key for KU success tonight

If he makes K-State think twice about taking it into the paint, knocks down his bunny shots on the offensive end and stays out of foul trouble I can see KU taking this game by 15. If he’s on the bench for most of the game for whatever reason, I will start to worry. This is true for the entire season but against a team like K-State it is imperitive

by jhwk316 on Jan 4, 2012 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

bitchin'

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 5, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Rock Chalk Talk is your independent source for Jayhawk sports news, information and conversation on the web. Our goal is to provide Kansas Jayhawk fans a diverse, fair and public forum to talk Kansas sports.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Big XII has golden opportunity
Small
Power Ranking the Big East Teams
Small
Power Ranking the SEC Football Teams
Small
Dan Devine 101-30 at mizzou and don faurot 113-63 at mizzou
Small
Power Ranking the Big 12 Football Teams
Small
Best Conference Realignment Scenarios
Photo_small
RCT Beer Review: Summer Honey
Mario_small
RCT Mailbag Reminder!
Small
Kansas Basketball Recruiting Chart
Small
Marquis Jackson moves to running back

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Rock Chalk Talk on Facebook

Owen Kemp and Rock Chalk Talk on Twitter


Managing Editor

Rctfinalcircusstepdown_2_small Owen

Assistant Editor

Wardenhatcopy_small Warden11

Mario_small fetch9

Contributing Authors

Small hiphopopotamus

Todd_small ajanzen

David_stuff_small PenHawk

Small KU Grad 08