Is Elijah Johnson the new J.R. Giddens?
Since the anger toward Tyshawn Taylor has (finally) died down in recent weeks, a couple of other players have been vying to take his place as the vogue KU player to blame the team's problems on. It's never fair to pile on a single player in a team sport like basketball, but it's in sports fans' nature to do so. Whether it's Josh Selby, Brady Morningstar, Xavier Henry, or Taylor, there always seems to be a particular player the negative talk seems to center around. The two currently competing for this undesirable status seem to be Connor Teahan and Elijah Johnson. The complaints surrounding Teahan seem to be general grumbling. He's not a starter and I don't think anyone expected great things from him this season anyway. More of the heat seems to be on Elijah Johnson.
Johnson came to Kansas with a lot of expectations to live up to. He was a five star recruit known for his incredible athleticism and highlight reel dunks. Last year, as a sophomore, he was able to shoot 40% from three, which really had fans buzzing. Johnson looked like he had developed into the whole package. He had the explosiveness to be an effective slasher, and seemed to have developed the jump shot to become a legitimate perimeter threat.
Fast forward to this season. Elijah is finally getting starter's minutes, but scores fewer than 10 points per game. He camps out around the perimeter, and rarely enters the lane. He has 20 more three point attempts than anyone else on the team, despite hitting just under 30% of them. This story reminds me so much of another recent Kansas player it's startling. I'll go into more detail after the jump.
We all remember J.R. Giddens. His stabbing at the Moon Bar probably made more of a lasting impression on Jayhawk fans than anything he did on the court, but Giddens also came to Lawrence with a lot of hype. Giddens, much like Johsnon, was a great athletic specimen, and after a freshman campaign in which he scored over 11 points per game and shot 41% from three point range, KU basketball fans were drooling over the possibilities for this multifaceted offensive threat. Sound familiar?In fact, Elijah's sophomore year and J.R.'s freshman year are very similar.
(note: this was my first attempt at graphing this sort of thing, don't laugh)
Outside of pure scoring, '04 Giddens and '11 Johnson are very similar offensive players. I didn't include assists and turnovers. EJ played a lot of point, whereas Giddens was more of a pure small forward, so Johnson naturally produced more of both.
Now we come to the 2004-2005 season. On a team that featured Wayne Simien and Keith Langford, JR Giddens was possibly the team's most talked-about player in Lawrence. After getting fans' hopes up the previous season, Giddens developed a frustrating habit of perching around the 3 point line and hoisting up deep shots instead of attacking the rim, like so many of us wanted him to do (again, sound familiar?). The result, statistically speaking, was eerily similar to what we're seeing out of EJ right now. The following are the same categories for Giddens' sophomore season and Johnson this year.

If anything, much-maligned Giddens may have been more effective offensively in his disappointing sophomore effort than Johnson has been so far in his junior year. Not included in this graph is the number of threes taken by each player. '05 Giddens hoisted up 6.2 3 point attempts per game. Johnson is attempting 5.4 this season. Each number is the highest on their respective teams.
At the end of the day, this probably tells us nothing about the future. After all, there's no way of knowing how Giddens' career would have played out at Kansas had it not been for his dismissal from the team. Still, it's interesting to note just how similar both the criticisms and the performance for these players are. Giddens never did turn it around in 2005 (and I don't have to tell you how that season ended). Obviously, this team could still ultimately outperform their 2005 counterparts, but I'm not holding my breath about Johnson changing as an offensive player this season.
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I took EJ
The stats may say JR was more valuable, but the Moon Bar thing prevents me from even considering him.
Couldn't agree more
Statistics aside, I will take Elijah as an ambassador for KU every day of the week and twice on Sunday! Great attitude, loves KU, intelligent, well spoken, and I could go on.
That said, I like Elijah’s ceiling better athletically, and I think he will work hard enough to get there.
If we compare Wesley to CJ Giles, I will have to repeat the above.
by Westyhawk on Jan 30, 2012 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Elijah has such a bright future
It’s soooo frustrating to have a point guard with as much athletic ability that Elijah has and for him to be camping behind the arc. He is too fast, and too athletic to be sitting at the three point line waiting to chuck up yet another three ball. He needs to start slashing and get to the rim, and get to the free throw line like Tyshawn! Once he finds himself attacking the rim, that’s when his jumper will start to be a real threat.
this is the difference
If we’re picking one player to sit around the arc and shoot threes then it’s giddens hands down. but, elijah has at least shown the ability to get to the basket and work midrange jumpers. Giddens never even showed flashes of that. Athletic fast break dunks and three balls. That was Giddens. Elijah has much more potential if he’ll tap into it.
I agree with PayHeed's comments, very frustrating.
I also chose EJ because even when his offense is stagnant he usually brings a solid effort on the defensive end. If memory serves J. R.’s defense was a liability.
by De-Freeze on Jan 30, 2012 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he's definitely improved defensively
but if you look at the charting stuff from last year he was by far the worst defender on the team. Could be a sample size issue and I’m sure he’s gotten better but I don’t think he’s any better than average.
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I'm not as concerned with him attacking the rim,
as much as I am with seeing him not settle for 3’s. There is a whole mid-range game that if he can attack even that, it will still loosen up the sagging D’s and make more ops for the posts and even then the rim.
I remember watching the 2008 Draft at a Lawrence bar
and just how angry we all were when Giddens got taken ahead of Chalmers.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM CST reply actions
I was sad for PP
Mario would have filled in so nicely behind/alongside/infront Rondo.
The comparison without the numbers that it reminds me of
is X.
I seem to recall comments about him being more of a strictly 3 pt shooter by team design, and that his game opened up more in pre-draft workouts.
I don't get how anyone doesn't vote for 2005 Giddens
Giddens was three inches taller, lanky, and a better shooter. Biggest kicker? 2005 Giddens is a YEAR YOUNGER than this year’s Johnson.
Don’t let what happened eventually to Giddens cloud your judgement. If 2005 ended, and you had to choose one, based one what you saw from two years of Giddens compared to 2 and 2/3rds of a season with Johnson… you are going Giddens. Better size, slightly better shooter, and a year younger.
And for those who want to bring up the future, lets not forget Giddens eventually played well at New Mexico and was drafted 30th overall. He showed me later in his career Johnson has showed me. And I know I’m being harsh on Elijah, but he has had a long time to take the next step and hasn’t. And even the flashes have been so few and far between that I can’t bet on him taking a Taylor-like leap next year.
Shit happens when you win championships
that's what I said
on last year’s team I’d take Johnson because we would need a guy to just get the hell out of the way more than anything whereas Giddens was a bit more brash of a guy. But this year just give me the talent.
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I took Giddens
They both play mediocre defense, but Giddens is a better pure shooter and scorer. Plus, like you said, his slump was in just his sophomore year, and it was still a better year than EJ’s having as a junior
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by PenHawk on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He ended up being a pretty good player for New Mexico
Had we not replaced him with Brandon Rush, losing him would have been a bigger loss than people realize. I’m confident that he would had gotten out of the slump and grown into a good player his junior and senior seasons, especially after losing Langford, Simien, Miles, Lee, etc.
He also made some comments after the season ended (before the Moonbar incident) that he realized he didn’t play well, that he had stuff to work on and he was excited to put in the time to get better. Might have just been talk, but still, it was refreshing to hear he realized he had a lot of maturing and work to do on the court.
His stats his two years at New Mexico?
Junior Year – 15.8 PPG, 44% FG, 6.5 RPG
Senior Year – 16.3 PPG, 52% FG, 9 RPG
Not too bad. He wouldn’t have been as good as Rush, but I’d take him over Elijah had the Moon Bar never happened. Especially with two years left of eligibility and our staff.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 30, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
But there was the whole coaching deal at NM also
The Moonbar wasn’t some isolated incident. It is who he was/is. The team is better without him.
Very good summary
I was surprised after I voted that so many people had voted EJ. I picked Giddens largely because we need his skillset (outside shooting), but your points really make the case.
The year younger I'll give you...
But that’s it for me. I know you didn’t say it, but I’m especially surprised with the talk of EJ’s mediocre defense. I get as mad as anyone about him living behind the arc, but he’s MUCH better than a medicore defender.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 31, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Not according to Hess and Winn's defensive scoresheet stuff
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Do me a favor...
Bill Self is a big stats guy. Go tell him what the scoresheet says and then ask him who is a better defender? I would happily make a bet on his answer.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
I am sure
Bill Self wouldn’t be biased at all. Nope.
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If you think he's biased towards his guys off-camera...
then you have not been around many Bill Self practices.
by hiphopopotamus on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
well
I don’t want to use the words run out of town because he had to do it but I’m sure he’d take Elijah over Giddens regardless of any type of perceived performance
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you make good points
but I never liked Giddens game. His 3 point shooting was great but that is all we ever got. I think Johnson can still be more than that, let’s hope.
by I need more Esteban on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I voted Giddens and I'm pretty shocked to see the huge difference in votes.
I figured EJ would be in the lead, but not 70%.
I think a lot of people chose EJ
because Giddens was basically a sketch ball. Kind of makes a close-ish contest into no contest.
I was trying to eliminate that from the equation
by using the words “as a player” in the poll question. I guess I needed to be more specific.
Use the forks
by PenHawk on Jan 31, 2012 5:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

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