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The 2011-2012 Kansas Jayhawks And Josh Selby

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What could have been? That's the question that actually seems to have pretty much faded from the minds of most Kansas fans as the Jayhawks have steadily exceeded expectations this year with the help of several players that would have been counted as unproven commodities heading into this year.

Meanwhile in Memphis Josh Selby, a Jayhawk just a year ago, averages under 10 minutes per contest for the NBA's Memphis Grizzlies. It wasn't long ago that Selby was celebrated coming in, then suspended and injured through much of his only year in Lawrence.

Jayhawk fans still pay attention to what he does and certainly everyone seems to wish him the best, but with the recent run by Kansas up to no. 5 in the rankings some of the 'what if' questions just don't come up as often. The emergence of Jeff Withey and Travis Releford as key contributors in the starting line up has something to do with that. Elijah Johnson's potential also probably has something to do with that. But if we take this season, this team and insert the thought of Josh Selby what do you get? Is Kansas better off? Who's minutes are diminished and perhaps most importantly is Josh Selby better off?

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The first thing everyone is going to do is say that without question Josh Selby would have been better off in Lawrence this season and not sitting on the bench in the NBA. ESPN's College Gameday has done it, fans talked about it early on and it seems to be accepted as fact.

Is that without question the case? First you have to ask yourself where his minutes are going to come from. Odds are he takes most of Connor Teahan's time and perhaps splits the minutes with Elijah Johnson. Travis Releford has proven to be a strong enough player that I'm not sure it would happen, but Bill Self could also go three guard with Johnson, Taylor and Selby.

Regardless of where he settles in or where those minutes are, Taylor has been at the point for several seasons now and I don't think Selby's return changes Bill Self's usage of Tyshawn. So is Selby once again reduced to a shooter similar to what Johnson and Teahan have become? That was pretty much his role a year ago and it didn't serve him well and I don't think doing it again improves his place in life as far as the NBA goes. In fact maybe the continuation of that style paints him further into the label of a player 'exposed'.

That's how it feels when things are going well. On the other hand a game like Monday night might change that opinion. Elijah Johnson was ice cold and settling for three point attempts all night long. Why doesn't the uber-athletic junior guard take a cue from Tyshawn and attack the rim? Is there something preventing Kansas from having two guards who are equally adept at penetrating into the lane and getting to the basket?

This was probably one of the abilities that was always talked about when referencing Selby's potential, but it was also never realized for a variety of reasons. If he chooses to remain at Kansas and shows that ability similar to Taylor, perhaps he elevates himself back up the draft board. Considering Taylor seems to be doing that at the moment by playing that style, it's hard to see how a player with the initial hype of Selby couldn't do the same.

I guess with Selby you really are looking at a situation where it's hard to argue that a team could be worse off with him on the roster. With this team you are likely removing Teahan from the equation at the level that he has played which gives Kansas more athleticism and depth in the backcourt. Basically if you're Kansas you have nothing to lose and a substantial amount to gain.

For Selby it's probably a little more uncertain. A return to the court at the college level could prove a good decision by reproving what everyone believed you could be and working back into a lottery position in the NBA draft. On the other hand it could be another underwhelming year and things get exponentially worse.

I suppose it all depends how you believe the experiment would have gone in year two. Is this team so obviously Thomas Robinson's and Tyshawn Taylor's to lead? If so, where does Selby fit in and can he work his way into a better position without playing outside of what this Kansas teams identity is?

Ultimately Selby was here to spend a year and move on to the NBA. That's what he did, he was drafted and he is on a roster. Those are all positives. Kansas has also done well as a program so in the end it doesn't seem all that hard to move on and avoid looking back. But every so often in instances where Kansas is searching for a spark, do you ever wonder how or if things could have been different?

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I guess it's just me, but I'm indifferent to Mr. Selby.

I wish him well in life, but I honestly don’t care how he is doing in the NBA. In fact, I can tell you that because of the suspension and the injury I never got the chance to really know him, and thus, I don’t really view him as a Jayhawk.

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by ladyjay78 on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

I think that's a TAD harsh, but only a tad.

He’s still a Jayhawk, though you could argue he really never should have been. Without the stupid 1-and-done rule, he’d never have gone to college in the first place.

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by Bensa on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel the same way about Xavier

but at least he played more. One-and-dones just aren’t good for KU. I hope Self is done with them.

by jayhawk1996 on Jan 26, 2012 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He bailed us out in a couple games last year

when the rest of the team was ice cold, so having him Monday night would have been great. That said, I’m not sure Releford makes the same stride he’s made this year with Selby in the lineup.

Whether or not Selby’s minutes would have been impacted this year at KU is a bit of a non-issue. He still would have improved. He had the talent to be a lottery pick but didn’t have the patience to develop that talent.

The whole Selby thing kinda makes me sad.

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

Sort of agree

But he was in a much worse financial situation than pretty much anyone we’ve had on the team, possibly ever. All he had was his mom, and his mom and he had to live in the living rooms of friends when he was growing up because they couldn’t afford his own place. In that regard, as long as he got drafted and is getting paid now, he made the right decision.
Its not our place to question decisions that are made for those reasons, since we have such little ability to empathize with those situations. Would I have liked him to come back and dominate and set the world on fire? Of course. But I can’t begrudge him wanting to get paid and provide a home for his mom.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

fair point

something I hadn’t considered. I might say though, that there’s a big difference between 2nd round money and set-for-life guaranteed lottery money.

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

true

but if he gets into the league a year sooner it’s a year closer to the second contract, which is the bigger deal.

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Only if he develops enough to garner the 2nd contact

that’s quite a risk

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

totally agree with this

i just finished Beyond the Phog. In Selbys section he says that in one month, six of his friends were murdered. He was basically living in The Wire. He said he knew he was going to only be in college for one year. So when he got hurt, he kept playing and pushing himself just so he could experience the college game. He needed the paycheck. I wish all of the best for him

by fizzle406 on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Releford would still be playing and starting at the three

He was starting to really come on last season too (and get a lot of PT) before that injury kind of derailed his season. His defense alone would get him on the court.

I think Selby would have just eliminated Teahan’s minutes, and there would have been a Taylor-Selby-Johnson guard combo (in that order).

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

In regards to his role...

it seems to me that if he came in and took a bunch of Elijah and Teahan’s minutes in the 2 spot and he failed to demonstrate his abilities at the position, it would have been disastrous for his draft stock following this year. However, with Taylor being a senior, he would still have 2 years to step into the PG role to build himself back up. I know he barely wanted to make it through one year, but if he had to stay 4 years I can’t say that would be the end of the world (I really doubt he’d like it though).

What’s done is done, I think he’d have been better served by staying a year, but since that might have led to multiple years he might have made the best decision for himself.

by FLJhawk on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

Who's Josh Selby?

"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.

by Rivethead on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

Bigger what if...

1) Selby staying for this season

2) Reed redshirting instead of barely playing his freshman year and having him this season.

Honestly, given the make up of this year’s team and what Taylor has provided, I’d rather have Reed.

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

I totally agree...

I think that we all expected a very mature Conner Teahan to come into this roster and fill the shoes of Brady Morningstar and Tyrell Reed, but we just weren’t granted that with Teahan. Does he have a nice shot? Sure. But until he is consistent like Tyrell and Brady, we are in the hole there. That’s not even to mention the HUGE gap that we have on the defensive end. Teahan looks like he’s standing still when he’s guarding an athletic guard. The leadership, consistency, and defensive contributions from Tyrell Reed would be very welcomed to this particular Jayhawk team.

by PayHeed on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I totally agree.

I think that we all expected a very mature Conner Teahan to come into this roster and fill the shoes of Brady Morningstar and Tyrell Reed, but we just weren’t granted that with Teahan. Does he have a nice shot? Sure. But until he is consistent like Tyrell and Brady, we are in the hole there. That’s not even to mention the HUGE gap that we have on the defensive end. Teahan looks like he’s standing still when he’s guarding an athletic guard. The leadership, consistency, and defensive contributions from Tyrell Reed would be very welcomed to this particular Jayhawk team.

by PayHeed on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

i think this is a false choice

nobody was having selby for a second year, just as nobody was having zahhh-vee-ayyy for a second year…to me, getting those guys in is a complete waste of our time…we get all of the growing pains and none of the benefits.

if coach self had recruited a top-100 player (instead of a top 3) two years ago, he would have been a sophomore last year and in a better position to help us than selby was (getting selby was only necessary because of the void created when Henry left), and he would have been a junior this year and helping us be a legit final four contender instead of a poor imitation of the 2009-2010 team.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

that's fair

but you need talent at some point. I don’t think you need to go the Calipari route but you’re not going to win a national title with all 4 and 3 star guys. Also Xavier was fucking awesome and that people don’t realize that is the #1 thing that pisses me off these days, bumping people’s underappreciation for Tyshawn off the list.

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He was good no doubt

but we had just come off having B Rush at the wing and given X’s extra drama it rubbed people the wrong way. He and Papa Henry set Xavier up to fail in the eyes of KU fans.

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I would say only Papa set X up for failure.

From my perspective, it seemed that Xavier was quite content to stay out of the limelight and do his thing which he honestly did quite well. Xavier never rubbed me the wrong way like a lot of other people.

At the end of the day, I would much rather get guys that will stay around for a few years vs. one and done.

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by ladyjay78 on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

XAVIER WAS ROUGHLY AS GOOD AS BRANDON RUSH

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Easy now...

I am firmly in your corner with Xavier and I’ll defend him in almost any argument. But no matter what the efficiency stats say, he was not nearly as good as Brandon Rush.

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 25, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yes he was

he was he was he was. He wasn’t as big a part of the offense but when he had to do stuff he was that good.

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder why he wasn't as big a part of the offense...?

And yes, defense does count, even if it can’t be measured well with stats. I am all for the advanced stats we’re using these days, but (in basketball particularly) they are not the end all, be all.

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 25, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially considering

that advanced statistics have widely used in baseball for 20 year and they are still from perfect. UZR is STILL a mess…

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i get what you're saying

but there is a massive gulf between the stuff I’m talking about and UZR. I’m talking the OBP of college basketball stats mainly

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

oh i know

but i’m not talking like offensive rating. I’m talking eFG. Simple, effective stuff.

and I think he wasn’t as big a part of the offense simply because he was a Freshman

(and actually I take that back. Henry had a higher usage rate as a Freshman than Rush did as a Junior. So yeah, Henry was awesome)

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You're using eFG as the measure of how good a player is?

It seems to me that basketball’s defensive stats are so underdeveloped that it’s almost impossible to make a stats-based claim that two players are roughly as good as one another.

by KSinDC on Jan 25, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Which makes me think of something I've been reluctant to express

As great as Thomas Robinson has been this year, I’d take 2002-3 Nick Collison over him every time. It makes me feel like I’m missing something about Robinson, but he just doesn’t seem to be able to take over the game the way Coolison did. Am I crazy?

by KSinDC on Jan 25, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The championship team looked to either Mario or BRush for a bucket when in need of one...

They were the focal point of the other teams defense. I never really felt X created his shot as much as he was just a REALLY good spot up shooter.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't feel as if he was someone that Sherron could have given the ball to when they were in need of a bucket.

Whereas, when that championship team needed a bucket, they just deployed a nice two man game with either Mario and BRush or Mario and Arthur.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 25, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He wasn't a go to guy.

That precludes humdrum being awesome in my book.

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by Warden11 on Jan 25, 2012 3:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rush was a better defender

And I’d give a slight edge to Rush offensively. Both Rush and Henry played on some loaded teams, but earlier in his career, Rush was asked to cary more of the scoring burden (especially his freshman year). Rush also seemed to be better at getting to the rim. While both relied on their three ball, Rush seemed better at scoring in other ways.

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say he wasn't Mr. All Caps

I’m just saying that coming off watching Brandon Rush and all the extra nonsense people were bound to have a tilted view against X.

Sometimes perception is not reality, sometimes it isn’t. Either way we’re just going to have to learn to deal with it.

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

*sometimes it is...

man, I cannot write today…

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 25, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

What was wrong with Henry?

I don’t have a problem with one and done guys if they have the character and class that X did. Not that Selby DIDN’T have it, but he wasn’t as talented as X, nor was he as classy and team oriented.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 25, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

nothing wrong with him personally, at least from what I could tell

i didn’t like the drama preceding his arrival, and whether it’s the kid’s fault or not, i personally wouldn’t want that in my program if i were in charge.

X was way too passive, as someone else alluded to above…additionally, and i know this can be completely misleading and a misread on my part, but i just got the sense with him that he thought he had already “arrived” without really doing much of anything for us.

was he a decent player? sure, but my argument is that i’d rather have someone that stays three years, gets better every year, and ends up as good as X was but with more experience and a better idea of how to play the game.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jan 25, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

See here is what I don't get

Everyone wants a type of player like you mentioned (stays here 3-4 years, gets better, etc) but then people also bitch that we aren’t getting 5 star recruits and losing out on the top guys to the Kentuckys and Carolinas.

Its hard, but these days you almost have to make a choice. Henry and Selby are the most recent top 10 guys we’ve gotten. And they also were one and dones. I too enjoy getting more guys like the Morri, Tyshawn, Reed, Jackson, Kaun, Releford etc. Every one of those guys was a 4 star recruit and was here at least three years, and every one developed.

I think Self is building a good bridge between the two. The days of a Rush or Chalmers recruit staying 3 years are over. We are getting talented guys with upside that will be here and improve.

And when we have a hole to fill, Self has shown the ability to get a highly touted freshman to fill that role (Henry replacing Rush at the wing, Selby replacing Sherron’s scoring from the guard position).

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you

The mix is what’s important. You have to have enough veteran guys to be able to make it evident what the coaches want and to make it so that buying in is the only option. You can definitely win with just veteran 4-star players, but being able to add a 5-star on top of that every year or two is a great luxury that greatly improves the flexibility of our team and makes us even more fun to watch. I don’t know why anyone would want to turn that down, especially since its not like taking a one-and-done player means that we won’t have someone to replace them when we leave.
Finally, a sidenote. Rush did stay 3 years, but he shouldn’t be really counted as a guy that shows how you can stay in school and still get drafted. First, he likely would have been drafted even higher in the lottery after his freshman year that he would have at any point after that. Second, he was gone after his sophomore year and only came back because he tore his ACL. Otherwise he would have been gone with JuJu.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

True on Rush, but that also proves my point

Guys like that just aren’t likely to stick around three or four years.

To piggyback your point, having the depth and veteran guys makes it easier to bring in a one and done type. Because even if that guy ends up contributing very little down the stretch (as Selby did) we have veteran guys who can fill that void (Reed, Morningstar, Johnson, etc). The same would have applied to Henry had he not been the player he was.

KU has rarely found itself in a position where we needed several freshman to play and play quickly. The 2005-2006 season was one example, the 2008-2009 season another one (although to a lesser extent because Sherron and Cole were in their prime). That is the beauty of Self’s teams. If you are young and talented and deserve to be out there, you’ll play even if you are on a loaded team (Henry, Sherron his first two years, Arthur). If you aren’t ready, theres a veteran who knows the system who can play instead.

Did I mention that Self is the man. Dude just needs to win some more national titles. One won’t cut it #KentuckyFanExpectations

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts...

KU – We have Conner Teahan playing 20+ minutes a game and we even occasionally turn to Naadir Tharpe. Add in the fact that every starter except Withey is playing 30+ minutes/game and I think it’s safe to say that we’d be better off if Selby were around to take some of those minutes.

Selby – As I argued pretty emphatically last April, he made a terrible financial decision, simply because of how “low” he sold himself. And that played out on draft night. However, to his credit, he used all the lockout time to play in a ton of open gym scrimmages, won over his teammates and earned himself a guaranteed contract. If I remember correct, he gets approximately $550k this year, $750k next year and Memphis has a team option on him for close to $900k his third year.

To go from being a low second round pick to getting $1.3M guaranteed with a team option for nearly another million is a nice accomplishment. Hopefully he can keep getting better, earn some more floor time and work towards a nice second contract. If he can do that, I am sure he’ll have no regrets. But it’s going to be awfully tough to get there. Having Chris Wallace on the other side of the negotiating table certainly helps though.

But given the extreme lack of top flight lead guards in college basketball this year, the lottery was a very real scenario for him, if not high in the lottery. For reference, I believe Markieff is guaranteed about $4m over the next two years, followed by team options of $2M in year 3, $3M in year 4 and a qualifying offer of $4M in year 5.

I can’t imagine what it was like to grow up like he did, and as mcuh as I sympathize with that perspective, it still seems crazy to me to leave when he did. And really, the best example of why is still on our team – Thomas Robinson.

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 25, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

It's all whether there is risk

Could he have stayed eligible and not further damaged his draft stock in year 2. I personally think it 80/90% likely the scenerio would have played out as you said but there is certainly a risk that after year 2 his flaws would be exposed even further.

by bigreed on Jan 25, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't think of one guy who really regressed like that under Self

A full offseason with the team and his teammates would have done wonders for Selby. As would have a full non-con schedule to allow him to beat up on some cupcakes and get comfortable.

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

And I know you were playing Devil's Advocate and admitted that was unlikely

But I think your 80-90% should be closer to 95%. Kid with that talent, plus our staff, plus top flight defenders and teammates to go against in practice every day…

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

i can think of another guy who regressed a lot

i just watched him play on Monday

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson?

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

yessir

maybe he needed the threat of getting benched after all

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by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I think one problem is Taylor has been so good lately

He can get to the rim, shoot etc, that Johnson has kind of just taken a “ok, I’ll hang out outside and shoot threes.”

We could really use a deadly outside shooter on our team at the two spot. Johnson has good games from three (Ohio State) and bad games (lately).

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure that he's really regressed that much

or how do we really know? He has never in his career played the minutes he’s playing right now so I just don’t think that’s possible to state.

What you can state is that he’s in a bit of a funk right now. He’ll get out of it, it’s basketball.

by I need more Esteban on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

He didn't need to regress. He just needed to not improve. That would've hurt plenty.

We have had plenty of guards who were disappointing their freshman and sophomore years. Tyshawn, EJ, and Releford, for example.

by KSinDC on Jan 25, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

None of those guys were supposed to be instant impact players though

Or at least the level Selby was. I think Self and co would have gotten him near the level of player he was hyped to be. I trust the staff.

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by Andrew Clark on Jan 25, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand your trust in the staff

But name the last point-guard/combo-guard that Self coached that was drafted in the first round. You have to go all the way back to Deron Williams, and he didn’t even play his last two years with Self. Our system is such that we usually don’t have a true point guard position, and instead use multiple primary ball-handlers. The reason Ty is “the point-guard” this season is just because of our lack of depth and experience at that role. If Selby was here, then they would we splitting the PG duties as we are used to seeing with Self teams and no one would be able to really raise their draft stock. Selby may have ended up becoming a better player, but there is no reason to believe that he would have really raised his draft stock all that much.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 25, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to go all the way back to Deron Williams, and he didn’t even play his last two years with Self.

I think Deron Williams was going to be Deron Williams whether he played his last 2 years under Bill Self, Bruce Weber, or your local AAU basketball coach.

by I need more Esteban on Jan 26, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Very true

But if you don’t trust yourself to be better than he was last year (not difficult), then how do you trust yourself to be able to play your way onto an NBA team?

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 25, 2012 9:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Even if he goes to Europe, he lifts his family out of poverty

Taking a veritable guarantee of a few hundred thousand over a higher chance of over a million can be the rational choice if you’re poor enough.

by KSinDC on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

That’s an argument I can’t possibly go against, because I can’t imagine living like they did. My point is simply what makes the most sense financially. The majority of financial mistakes made in life are made due to short-sightedness and emotion. I’d say this falls firmly in both categories, even though it should turn out fine.

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 26, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

But even if that happens, what has he really hurt? There’s very little difference between being drafted in the second round and becoming a undrafted free agent. The 2nd rounders might have a small leg up, but both have to play their way onto the team.

by hiphopopotamus on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I just wonder ...

how this philosophical discussion would be going if Josh stayed a second year and his mother had been raped and beaten to death in some tenement during that year …

RRROOOOCK CHAAAALLLK! JAAAAYYYHAAAAWWWK! KAAAAYYY UUuuuUU!

by KU62 on Jan 25, 2012 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

What?

I don’t think there’s a high priority of violence befalling her in Lawrence.

by bigreed on Jan 25, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

I think a lot of people here are misjudging Selby’s financial decisions, but that’s because of the certainty of his mom living in stark poverty rather than the slight chance that she’d be the victim of a violent crime.

by KSinDC on Jan 25, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

wasn't she living in Lawrence?

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by Owen on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

In other news, Mizzou just face-planted in Stillwater

I would talk more shit but then we would just lose there later…that place is a house of horrors when they can pack it for the big games.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 25, 2012 9:02 PM CST reply actions  

If tonight was anything to go by

They don’t pack it for the big games. The were a ton of empty seats.

Of course there will probably be more people there when we play, but I was surprised there were so many empty seats tonight. Expected more from them with the #2 team in the country coming in.

by MJR on Jan 25, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

That’s too bad, their arena is really one of the best in the country when they have it full. Everyone wears orange, and everyone seems to be loud.

by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 25, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

well you know it will be for our game

I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter

by fetch9 on Jan 25, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Lower level seemed decent

But the upper level, on the ends at least, seemed to be basically empty. There were some shots where you could see one or two people, or a family/friends in one entire section up there. Wasn’t pretty.

Check out pictures 2 and 3 (At least as of when I post this) here, and you’ll get a basic idea.

http://www.mutigers.com/view.gal?id=111059

And you’re right, it is too bad. I was hoping for a nice full arena tonight but it wasn’t to be.

by MJR on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

This is huge for keeping their streak without conference titles alive

If we can get a win in Ames this weekend, I’ll begin to think we have a good chance of keeping them out of first place and continuing our amazing streak.

by KSinDC on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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