How Does The Quality Of An Opposing Defense Influence Kansas's Turnovers?
The other day writer extraordinaire Jesse Newell tweeted the following:
Wichita St. up to 13th in KenPom. If KU ends up as a 2 seed in NCAAs, I can't think of a worse 7 seed for the Jays in Rd. 2.
While I definitely agree with his non-statistical reasoning (that they're an in state rival whom we rightfully don't play, Wichita State is good and underrated this year, and a lot of Wichita State fans would travel to the game) I raised the point to him that I can think of a lot of teams that would make me more nervous, citing the fact that traditionally the two things that kill us the most are opponents shooting the three and us turning it over, and the Shockers aren't good at shooting the three or forcing turnovers. His reply is the catalyst for this whole post:
Good point, but KU has a history of turning it over at a high rate no matter the defense it's facing
Is that the case for this year's team? Let's find out
First, I want to note that in his reply there was a link to a story about the topic written after the Northern Iowa game, so you can check that out if you want but I wanted to make sure no one got PTSD from me springing that on you without proper warning.
It's important to note that there are only three players in common (Tyshawn Taylor, Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson) with the 2010 team and this year's group, and only Tyshawn played more than 20 minutes per game that year. Schools can have long term trends stylistically (i.e. Wisconsin's slow play or K State's crashing the glass) but the connection between performance and a school over time is much more tenuous, especially when dealing with such a specific topic. So, small sample size be damned, I think it's more instructive to deal with this year's TO% performance based on the quality of the defense. To the chart!
| Opponent | Game TO% rate | Opponent season TO% forced | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
| Towson | 7.4 | 17.6 | -10.2 |
| Kentucky | 19.2 | 20.3 | -1.1 |
| Georgetown | 18.5 | 22.3 | -3.8 |
| UCLA | 28.6 | 20.4 | 8.2 |
| Duke | 26.6 | 20.3 | 6.3 |
| Florida Atlantic | 23.3 | 21.2 | 2.1 |
| South Florida | 21.9 | 20.6 | 1.3 |
| Long Beach | 27.8 | 20.8 | 7 |
| Ohio State | 25.7 | 27.3 | -1.6 |
| Davidson | 18.9 | 18.2 | 0.7 |
| USC | 24.6 | 26.4 | -1.8 |
| Howard | 19.1 | 21 | -1.9 |
| North Dakota | 14.3 | 19.7 | -5.4 |
| Kansas State | 31.2 | 23.5 | 7.7 |
| Oklahoma | 20.3 | 21.6 | -1.3 |
| Texas Tech | 14.3 | 18.9 | -4.6 |
| Iowa State | 9 | 17.7 | -8.7 |
| Baylor | 21.1 | 24.1 | -3 |
| Texas | 9.5 | 20.6 | -11.1 |
| Average | -1.11578947368421 |
We can see without much more fancy math that this year KU's turnover rate has been highly dependent on its opponent's turnover rate, but oddly enough here's what happens when we run a correlation:
Correl = .5752. This suggests there is a tenuous, but perhaps not set in stone, relationship between our opponents' ability to force turnovers and Kansas's frequency of turning it over. Does a picture suggest why there is such a difference?
It sure seems to. Without the two outlier games in there there is a pretty good line available to be drawn. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but I think we can say with pretty good certainty that KU's turnovers have as much or more to do with the defense than any failings on their part.
note: this data leaves out the A&M game because I finished the post before the game. For the record, KU had a 19.4% turnover rate, and A&M is at 19.5% for the season.
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Nice work
One thing I can think of next time you do something like this, is to color the home dots differently from the away dots, so that you can easily see if there is a noticeable trend in that data as well.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions
i thought about that
but decided against it because I was focused on how it applied to the tournament and they’re all neutral site games. Plus I didn’t want to dilute the sample any further. Maybe I’ll do both next time I look at something like this though, thanks.
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Tempo have any relationship to this?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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That would be interesting
With the exception of the 11-0 run at the start, last night’s game was played at a Big East pace.
by jayhawk1996 on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Next time put the warning above the jump.
Or preferably right before the link. There was no warning for someone like me who wants the context right away and clicks the links before reading further.
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haha no no, nothing like that
he read the post and said that he liked it. Certainly no animosity involved, I was just curious as to what the numbers said for this year. Plus I had some writer’s block so that was a nice catalyst
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I would imagine this holds for most teams
And while correlation doesn’t prove causation, when the correlation makes sense it probably is telling us something.
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