Kansas Jayhawks vs. Iowa State Cyclones Open Game Thread
by Owen on Jan 14, 2012 1:00 PM CST
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3 PM CSTWho: Kansas Jayhawks vs Iowa State CyclonesWhere: Allen Fieldhouse Lawrence KansasTV: Big 12 NetworkOnline: FirstRowSports
Welcome to Rock Chalk Talk and your open game thread for the Kansas Jayhawks vs the Iowa State Cyclones. Fred Hoiberg has Iowa State moving in the right direction. This one is at home so you would expect Kansas to play well and get the win, but they can't get caught looking ahead to Baylor on Monday or this one could easily end up becoming a bit of a tricky matchup. For some reason Iowa State just tends to have that sort of game against Kansas from time to time and it makes me just a bit nervous.
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they're honoring the 2002 team today apparently
captained of course by the great Jeff Boschee
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
Who?
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 14, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
hmm
Never heard of him. Must have been a guy who didn’t play much.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 14, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
OU up 10 with just under 14 left.
Another example of how competitive the league is this year. I think “tough” is overselling the quality a bit, so I’m going to start using “competitive”
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
And here's what I LOVE about KSU fans.
They called THAT over the back!
This play:
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
by Warden11 on Jan 14, 2012 2:27 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I was going to ask, is KSU getting screwed by the refs, or are they intimidated by Norman,
given that they’re a better team, top to bottom, than just about everyone.
OU's shooting well and K-State's offense looks horrible.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
lol
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT! REFFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 14, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Not certain this is accurate, but wow if true.
https://twitter.com/#!/BlairKerkhoff/status/158280913682300928
Credit today’s TV p-by-p man Mitch Holthus with this piece of research: Bill Self’s last 14 teams (2Tul, 3Ill, 9KU) 203-10 at home.
UNC getting beat down by Florida State.
60-34 with under 13 minutes to go.
KState in trouble
But has a window to get back in it. They’ll need a few more shots, down 10 by 4.
Shit happens when you win championships
they've picked it up a bit now
it’ll still be tough.
Refs have swallowed their whistles in that one.
Use the forks
Yep. Not over yet, OU's been able to hold off so far.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
K-State does not look like a well-coached team to me
down 8 with two minutes left…they take 18 seconds off the shot clock then turn it over
Use the forks
Spradling hoisting up threes left and right
and not a single one of them has looked good
Use the forks
Man, KSU just panicked and lucked out with a 3.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Looks like Baylor is going to take care of business today.
Here’s hoping we can do the same.
I feel like Kruger and Hoiberg were great additions to the league.
Questions, Comments? email me at denverjhawk@hotmail.com
There have already been a few upsets and scares today
anyone else feeling nervous right now?
Use the forks
That might have been a good idea Tyshawn
if you’d let Withey know it was coming.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:02 PM CST reply actions
I thought he was Jeunemann at first.
And thought Self was really pissed at somebody.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Nice move by Teahan.
White boys can make layups.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions
I was just about to call for Young to get in the game.
But I want him out there with T-Rob.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I am just playing man.
I am a KState fan, but I am not sure about the Teahan experiment.
Aside from when we beat you
I have not seen Teahan hit one three under pressure. He just gets so goddamn nervous I think
Exactly.
I remember him hitting those couple threes against us, and thinking he will never have a game like this the rest of the season.
0 fer 4 today
I would be okay with him out there if he could play defense but he’s also by far our slowest player… just not a huge Teahan fan
Yes, he's got to make 3's
to be able to stay on the floor.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think Bill just wants another Tyrel?
At least Tyrel could play smart defense.
Tyrel wasn't a good defender
but he hit so many big shots. He had Sherron Collins, Brady Morningstar, Xavier Henry, etc. on the team and he was still the one counted on for the big shot.
Self talks about how Conner’s the best pure shooter he’s ever seen but it doesn’t translate into games
He wasn't a great defender, but at least smart.
He did not have the speed to keep up with guys, but Teahan gets out of position all the time.
I wouldn't call him that
I wouldn’t consider Tyshawn or Elijah above average defenders and I still think they are better than Tyrel was
by Walshdollar on Jan 14, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He was prone to backdoor cuts
But other than that I’d say he was above average
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
He was just a tad slower than most players
I think he got bailed out quite a bit by Cole so it masked some of his deficiencies but I just recall him getting beat off the dribble a lot more than everyone else. He’s certainly better than Teahan
He could run sprints fast, yes
but he didn’t have the side to side movement that our other defenders have. I guess I shouldn’t have used the word fast, I should have said he didn’t have the length to stay in front of people
He was definitely faster than Teahan
And he played more, so he had a lot more experience with how to make up for his weaknesses
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not really
Since he leads the conference in blocks. He’s just slow.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
shot blocking is a separate talent from overall defense
he’s on by far the best player on ISU’s team, and he abandons him to try and defend a drive from a guard. He just seems to get lost at times
Use the forks
I would like to see EJ drive the lane like that more
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:25 PM CST reply actions
Definitely.
Think it would really help open his offensive game.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Sundvold is excellent as a color annoucer,
but Holthus is driving me nuts with his diarrhea mouth. Seems to think he’s paid by the word.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions
Man I wish that heat check from EJ had gone in
It was quick, but he was pretty open off of the action they got
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:34 PM CST reply actions
We need a run here before the half
while White is on the bench
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:42 PM CST reply actions
I'd always like to see Tyshawn drive the ball
if he’s ever that wide open for three. There was no one in that lane
Really?
When he released there was one guy standing between him and the basket, a help defender in the center of the lane, and a guard coming back from midcourt. He would have been swarmed if he’d taken it in.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Oh
I thought there was just the one defender between him and the basket and I’ll take that all day. Still think there’s a pretty good chance he could have drawn the foul anyway
Yeah and if he does drive and attract attention
It would still open someone up for the kick. Still, I think the two best times to shoot that three are in transition and off an offensive rebound, so I liked the shot. Its too bad it didn’t go in, the roof was about to go off AFH.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Damn. ISU gives us a break
by shooting so quick, then EJ kicks it outside instead of just taking it to the basket.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions
It wasn't a bad play
We had guys in to rebound, if the shot hadn’t been short. And Ty was wiiiiiide open.
ISU bailed us out when Royce was out, we have to get the 3rd foul on him quick to start this 2nd half.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
If it was just bad shooting, I wouldn't feel so bad.
They are out rebounding us. ISU is out rebounding us in AFH with White on the bench! We are not playing nearly hard enough.
At least we have only 3 TOs at half
(crossing fingers for second half)
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Over halftime
we just have to regroup, make the defensive adjustments, and stop with the damn hesitations on offense. When anyone but T-Rob has the ball they look like they’re the basketball equivalent of the kid that’s stuttering in Billy Madison. I just want to scream T-T-T-T-Take the shot, drive, or make the pass junior! I think it has a lot to do with people being stagnant instead of in motion and on top of that being out of position.
Good points.
ISU is definitely looking more aggressive than we are, and there should be no excuse for that at home.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine we will shoot better in the second half
And I know Self will rip into them about the rebounding. As long as ISU doesn’t go 7-13 from 3 in the second half as well, we should be fine.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
In other news, the New Orleans Saints
Just performed a vintage 2009-2011 KU Jayhawks defensive stand.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:04 PM CST reply actions
Pretty much
49-yard pass for a touchdown where the safety came in for the tackle and hit the cornerback more than the receiver, essentially blocking him out of the play
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
That foul on White
Was exactly what we needed.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Going 0-4 from the FT line isn't though.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Our FT-shooting
Has been horrendous. Someone I didn’t add it up until now, but we are doing terrible this game.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hitting the boards much better so far this half,
but you’re right about the fumble fingers really costing us.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
They are gonna keep shooting those 3's.
And they are gonna make some too eventually, really need to close some ground or we could be trouble.
And a great job by T-Rob
taking the board away from 3 ISU players and leading to a basket by T2.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Good drive by T2.
Chance for the old school 3 point play. We also seem to be drawing a ton of fouls on ISU.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:24 PM CST reply actions
And they get another freakshow shot to go in.
At least we keep answering. Good pass by Young to get Withey a score.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, last few minutes we've been able to keep up on the offensive end.
Gotta keep it up and get over the hump.
If we put some more pressure on them I think they'll start missing shots
unless that white boy hits a three. Just got to keep up the d
Prediction:
They will finish this game shooting less than 40%, and we will finish shooting over 40%.
ISU is at 43% right now, we are at 39%.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:31 PM CST reply actions
Even with some bad hands and slow feet at times
Withey is having a pretty nice game today.
Much more aggressive in the second half.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Nice to see us make a run
with T-Rob on the bench. Get him rested for the finish.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:33 PM CST reply actions
HERE WE GO BOYS!!!
R.I.P. DOM
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 14, 2012 4:33 PM CST reply actions
Go Tyshawn go!
Just when he’s just about to drive me completely crazy, he has a great offensive burst and drives us to the lead.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
He has put the team on his back the last few minutes
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
And again, with the steal
And the dagger. I love this kid.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Was Royce White in prison or something?
Those are the worst tats I’ve ever seen. Ever.
R.I.P. DOM
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jan 14, 2012 4:39 PM CST reply actions
he doesnt have the cleanest of pasts
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
Ty looks like he would have been our #1 wideout this year
If he played football.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:41 PM CST reply actions
He is having a signature performance
Probably more impressive than the game against OU his freshman year, since he’s the lead guard now.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
He is starting to turn the ball over...
No more the rest of the game Ty, please.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Certainly was.
27 points, 6 assists, 4 steals.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 14, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you Ty, for saving us
He’s only lost once at home in his career, and you can tell he wants it to stay that way.
by 2.1 seconds left on Jan 14, 2012 5:07 PM CST reply actions
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