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Kansas Football Opponent Prospectus | Kansas State Wildcats

Head Coach | Bill Snyder

2010 Record | 7-6 (3-5) Big 12 Record

Returning Starters | The Wildcats will return 6 starters on offense, although current QB1 Collin Klein has already seen plenty of action. KSU returns 7 starters on a defense.

Key Losses | QB Carson Coffman, RB Daniel Thomas, OL Kenneth Mayfield, OL Zach Kendall, WR Aubrey Quarles, WR Adrian Hillburn, K Josh Cherry, DE Antonio Felder, DT Prizell Brown, CB Stephen Harrison, CB Terrance Sweeney

Key Additions | We will get to RB Bryce Brown in a minute, but KState addressed a few other areas of need in their recent recruiting class. KSU got a nice pickup at QB with JUCO transfer Justin Tuggle, who has great size. The Wildcats also made an effort to improve their porous front seven by signing highly rated defensive ends Meshak Williams and Marquel Bryant, and also signing DT Lamonte Clark. Brown’s older brother Arthur at LB should be a big boost to the front seven as well. Oregon transfer Chris Harper and Minnesota transfer Brodrick Smith should give the WR corps a boost… if that even matters with Klein behind center.

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Impact Offensive Player | Bryce Brown – Brown enters camp with a ton of hype, and for good reason. He was the former top recruit in the country before signing with Tennessee. If you are a talented back, you can put up monster numbers in Snyder’s rush-heavy offense. However, some have already labeled Brown as a potential bust after Snyder openly questioned his work ethic to the media. With an offense that primarily focuses on the run, KSU will need Brown to be as good as advertised to replace Daniel Thomas, who will be playing his football on Sundays this fall.

Impact Defensive Player | Ty Zimmerman - KState’s front seven got absolutely abused last year, and while the Wildcats have made some efforts to fix the run defense, odds are there will still be some issues. Enter Zimmerman, a freshman All-American safety who has a knack for making big plays. Last season, Zimmerman was everywhere, registering 74 tackles, 3 interceptions and 2 fumble recoveries. The KSU defense is going to need plenty of turnovers and big plays, and another All-Conference season from Zimmerman could be what keeps the Wildcats in the bowl picture.

The Offense

For all of the grief that Wildcat fans gave Carson Coffman, the guy did have his moments (including a 17 of 23, 228 yard, two touchdown performance in the Pinstripe Bowl). Coffman is gone, and in comes Collin Klein, who is a dangerous runner and a complete unknown as a passer. Whether or not Klein develops into a legit passer could be somewhat irrelevant, as KSU will look to pound the rock with an old school offense featuring Klein and Brown churning out first downs with their legs. However, KSU has to plug a few holes on the offensive line, and as good as Brown could be, it will be hard to replace Daniel Thomas. Should Brown fail to meet expectations, KSU has other talented options in the backfield such as DeMarcus Robinson and John Hubert.

The Wildcats lose their top wide receivers from a year ago, but transfers Chris Harper and Brodrick Smith should contribute right away. Tramaine Thompson showed some ability before going down with an injury, and KSU will find a way to get the speedster some touches every game.

KSU will likely boast a solid offense once again, but with uncertainty in the passing game, question marks at guard and a wait-and-see approach with Brown, it is hard to see this unit putting up better numbers than last season.

The Defense

While KState’s offense varied from decent to very good week after week, the Wildcat’s defense was never able to get anything going. KSU gave up an unfathomable 231 yards per game on the ground, and didn’t create much of a pass rush either. Add in allowing opponents to convert 45% of their third down conversions and… ouch. The Wildcats numbers look even worse when you consider that their game against us is factored into these stats (you know, when we kind of just rolled over and died). KState has addressed the front seven somewhat on the recruiting trail, and the Wildcats will look to employ more of a traditional 4-3 base this year after busting out a lot of 4-2-5 looks last season.

The secondary is by far the strength of this defense, with two playmakers at safety in Tysyn Hartman and Ty Zimmerman. KSU has a talented corner in David Garrett, who led the team in tackles last season (which also shows you how bad the front seven was). The wildcats have the potential to have a very dangerous secondary, and an improved pass rush could make the DBs even better.

With playmakers in the secondary and the front seven’s reputation, expect teams to run the ball mercilessly against KSU all year. With another year under their belts and some much-needed JUCO and transfer help, this unit will be better. Problem is, it needs to be astronomically better for KSU to sniff the 8 and up win plateau.

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Gotta play this team closer this year

Tired of hearing about last year’s game from the Purple people

by jayhawk1996 on Aug 11, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

this one is huge...

there are some games on the schedule that look like a big time stretch. KSU is one that we get at home for a second straight year and we got destroyed last year. If this team can’t find a way to get motivated and make this a game then it’s a lost cause.

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by Owen on Aug 11, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you can bet

old man Snyder knows this. He’ll have his kids fired up and pissed off because:

1) they have to play in Lawrence again, which is unfair, and
2) it’s a chance to put a coffin nail into our program.

Yup, this one is huge.

On another note, KSU is yet another team that addressed their DL issues by going the Juco route. Just like OSU I ask, if they can do it, why can’t (or didn’t) we?

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 11, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think nail in the coffin is a bit extreme

We beat KState three straight years and four out of five from 2004-2008. The last game in that series was like 52-14. I don’t remember any nails going into the coffin that is KSU football.

Footbal is cyclical. Any coach and make any team good, and any good team can fall apart and become bad. And that roller coaster can keep going and going.

We’ve seen it first hand. Mark Mangino took a brutally terrible program that went 2-10, 0-8 in his first season and then made a bowl the second year. Then he made an Orange Bowl, and three years later were in the gutter again. Unless you are Texas, OU, Floridie, Alabama, etc you have a pattern similar to this. And even the big boys have had down periods

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but getting beat 59-7 again, at home

is definitely going to put Gill on the hot seat.

The KSU fans may have been ok with losing 52-14, but they weren’t paying their coach $2 million/year (well they were, but they just didn’t know it as some of it was under the table).

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 11, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the post-Snyder KSU outlook

Is gloomier than anything you can say about KU football in the next 5 years. KU has proven it can out-recruit the Purple people – just comes down to coaching.
Snyder can outcoach anyone in the league, but who will take over after he leaves? He’s proven you can take lesser talent and win games, but they need a better succession plan. It didn’t work well the last time, and I don’t see him coming back for a third round at age 77.

by jayhawk1996 on Aug 11, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's amazing how Snyder has been able to win there

Before him, no tradition; after him, Ron Prince. Comes back and looks to be turning it around again.

I think you’re right that they have a pretty bleak future though. They have to battle us for a pretty small in-state talent pool, and if/when the Big XII blows up, they are probably looking at the MWC. I don’t think that is a very attractive job for a rising coach.

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by ajanzen on Aug 11, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they couldn't get a good coach after Snyder left the first time...

…odds are they aren’t doing much better when his second retirement drops. Remember, KSU was only three years removed from a Big 12 title the last time he retired, they were much more of a "name" (despite a 4-7 and 5-6 record the prior two seasons) and were just closer to their consistent success in general. If the best they could do was Ron Prince then, who are they getting next time?

They struck out with guys like Gary Patterson before, and like you said, its a hard place to recruit to. Shoot, our recruiting has been ranked higher than theirs generally over the last 6-7 years. KSU just does a great job of developing guys and finding guys to fit their system (probably what Snyder’s legacy will be apart from orchestrating the greatest turnaround in D1 football).

A couple KSU guys I know are downright terrified of what is going to happen after Snyder leaves. The Ron Prince thing is still too fresh in their minds, and Snyder is the only guy to ever be successful there.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

One big advantage this time around: No Jon Wefald

I trust John Currie to make the best hire possible, without meddling from a washed-up university president. If that best hire possible is a bust, then yeah, we’ve got some issues going forward.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Aug 11, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends on what the Prince hire stemmed from

Was it a case of the powers that be grabbing the wrong guy over other solid candidates, or did KSU simply not have many options left and was left with Prince?

I always looked at it in the middle: Seems like KSU wasn’t able to grab some of the big names it was after, but on the other hand, surely there were better options than Prince. If the later is more of the case, then a better AD will definitely pay dividends.

What scares me is that should Gill fail, we will be saying the same things about our program. We couldn’t get some of the big names out there we would have liked (Harbaugh), but there were other options available that we could have gotten (Skip Holtz)

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"turning it around again"

I know I’ve heard this more than once, but has KSU’s record really changed much at all over the last few years – from the last couple yrs the first time around, thru Prince, and then the first couple this time. They’ve been between 4-7 & 7-6 each year since 2004. Really just pretty average.

by dagger108 on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

After the Ronnie Prince fiasco

I think most KSU fans are happy with the team reaching the 6 win plateau at a minimum every year, which Snyder has achieved.

It takes a disaster to make you appreciate what you’ve got. Apart from 2004, Mangino won at least six games every season he was at KU until his final year (his first year doesn’t count for obvious reasons). We always pushed for more, given all the blown 4th quarter leads, close losses, etc. Then, we went 3-9 last year and got murdered in 3/4ths of our games, and suddenly we were pining for the days where Mangino would deliver us at least six wins

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Aug 12, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Truth!

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 12, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know
I think most KSU fans are happy with the team reaching the 6 win plateau at a minimum every year, which Snyder has achieved.

Most K-State fans I know have ridiculously high expectations right now. No matter what happens, I don’t think they would ever turn on Bill Snyder, but a lot of Wildcat fans seem to think they’re on the precipice of returning to their glory days. Six win seasons would probably be pretty disappointing to those folks.

No touching!

by PenHawk on Aug 12, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Snyder had a great decade

but people – KSU fans, journos, above, seem oblivious to the fact that Snyder was 4-7 & 5-6 in his last 2 seasons. Prince wasn’t particularly different than Snyder in his last 2 seasons, so if Prince was a disaster, …

Most people just seem to forget why/how he left, and only remember the previous decade, which I believe was the birthplace of the phrase “cupcake schedule”.

KState FB is an illusion.

by dagger108 on Aug 13, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

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