Expectations for Thomas Robinson in 2011-12
If you have been a reader of RCT for awhile, you know that one of my favorite things to do is compare KU players and teams to players and teams of the past. The main reason for this is just because it is fun, but I also think that by learning how similar players and teams improved and performed, we can learn how the current crop of players will improve and perform.
Thomas Robinson reminds me of somewhat of a hybrid of Cole Aldrich and Markieff Morris. Cole was a more traditional post up player, who, despite being better than most people remember at hitting a jumper from the elbow, relied on a back to the basket game with a couple of go to moves. Defensively he was a game changing shot blocker and elite rebounder. Markieff on the other hand really relied on his face up game and being more athletic than the big guy guarding him. He also could hit a pretty damn good trail three pointer: he only shot 59 threes last year, but made 24 of them, for a percentage of 42.4%.
Robinson can't hit the three like Markieff (though to be fair we don't know that for sure, as he has never taken one in college), but he doesn't have the refined back to the basket game like Cole either. He can put the ball on the floor and beat bigger guys to the hoop, but mostly his offense relies on catching dump off passes and putbacks off offensive rebounds. Still, his main value is in his rebounding: two years ago, Cole Aldrich was 7th in the country with a 28.5% defensive rebounding rate. Although it was in far less minutes, Thomas Robinson had a 31.1% defensive rebounding rate last season.
Whether it is because of Danny Manning, the work ethic of both Cole and Markieff, or something totally different, those two had big jumps in production from when they came to Lawrence and when they left as lottery picks. Robinson looks to do the same, but just what can we expect?
The one thing uniting the three players (hopefully) is a leap in playing time: Cole was a lightly used Freshman on the 2008 title team (except for in the Final Four, right Tyler Hansbrough?), who understandably was behind Darrell Arthur, Darnell Jackson and Sasha Kaun, and then was the main post player his Sophomore year. Markieff had his playing time increased the most from his Sophomore to his Junior year, going from around 40% minutes played to about 60%.
First, some (not so) fancy charts of how Cole and Markieff improved across the board after their playing time spiked.
Next, some fancy math (basically using the increases in Cole and Kieff's stats and applying them to TRob) to estimate how Thomas Robinson could do this year if he follows that pattern.
First of all, we can probably throw out the minutes played column. While Robinson will be leaned on heavily as he and Withey are the only two experienced bigs I think it is a tremendous stretch to assume he will play in nearly 4/5ths of the team's minutes (32 mpg). Robinson has been incredibly efficient so I do think that that eFG is within reach, and while a 35% defensive rebound rate would be in the stratosphere of some of the best rebounders in recent history, Robinson is one of the more relentless rebounders I have ever seen wear a Kansas uniform and with him being the main rebounder on the team, I imagine he won't have to "share" the rebounds like with the Morris twins last year.
Lastly, just for fun, Robinson averaged 7.6 points and 6.4 rebounds per game in 14.6 minutes played last year. Here are what he would average if he scored and rebounded at the same rate for the following amount of minutes played:
25: 13 PPG, 10.95 RPG
30: 15.16 PPG, 13.15 RPG
Probably not the PPG people would expect from a Big 12 player of the year, but that is a tremendous amount of rebounds and I think it is important to remember that he will likely be taking a lot more shots next year. So while he probably won't be as efficient as he has been so far, if he can come anywhere close we could be looking at a special season. I am on the Thomas Robinson for 2012 Big 12 POY bandwagon, and I suggest you hop aboard as well.
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At the end of last year I said 18pts 12rbds and 2blks at the end of last year.
That seems pretty reasonable to me. It wouldn’t surprise me if he dropped 3 assists a game either. If the defense collapses when he gets inside, it should leave one of Taylor, EJ, McLemore, or Releford open on the perimeter.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
Foul trouble foul trouble foul trouble foul trouble
I think this will be the biggest factor in determining TRob’s impact. The guy has to be able to stay on the floor, and he already has a penchant for going after anything and everything that comes in the lane. I love the intensity and some of the swats that come with this mentality, unfortunately it also leads to fouls.
Both Cole and the Morri steadily improved their ability to stay on the court and not pick up as many fouls, and hopefully Robinson can do the same
Shit happens when you win championships
Yeah, him staying on the court and healthy are two things that have to happen for this year to go well.
If both of those things happen, I think he’ll be a monster especially if the team can hit some 3’s.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I'm not sure that will happen.
You’re asking this of a guy who barely shot 50% from the free throw line last year.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
it makes sense
your emotional health has a lot to do with your physical health. Shooting free throws poorly will no doubt make him depressed. This, combined with other things no doubt still weighing heavy on his mind, will lead to a weakened immune system, leading to increased susceptibility to illness. Ergo, more missed games. Cold and flu season will not be kind to Thomas Robinson.
No touching!
If he misses 10 games throughout the year with the flu,
Warden’s coming after you.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Hey that ryhmes!
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 2, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm referring to the three point shooting.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 2, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, gotcha. I don't expect Robinson to be shooting any 3's
just other guys making them to stretch the defense.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I indeed misread your comment as well.
I thought it was HIM making threes. Either way, it was mentioned in the post, and I don’t think it will happen.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 2, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
unless I have forgotten how to write
I don’t think I even entertained the idea that he would make threes
You mentioned he can't hit threes like Markieff
In your point about how he doesn’t have Kieff’s range or Cole’s back-to-the-basket arsenal. SO YOU DID MENTION IT!!!! :o
I think Robinson is always going to primarily make his living off being a top-level rebounder first and foremost, and an athletic mismatch down low. In terms of scoring, the offensive rebounds and athleticism alone allow him to get his points. If he could add a few more weapons, like a little baby hook in the paint or a nice up-and-under, it would make him that much more dangerous. I’m sure he learned a lot from playing with the offensively-gifted Morri, and that Danny Manning will continue to help him develop and refine his offensive repertoire.
In terms of shooting, TRob did hit a couple of 18 foot jump shots from time to time last year. Obviously he is going to make his living down low, and he isn’t going to turn into a Wayne Simien type who can abuse other teams with a deadly mid-range shot. Having said that, flashing an occasional outside shot could help keep defenses honest, and could also allow TRob to draw his defender out a bit more where he can beat him off the dribble. In the end though, I’m pretty sure that opposing players and coaches are going to let him pop from outside the paint all he wants, no matter how far along his shot comes. It is never going to compare to the chaos and damage he can do in the paint.
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 2, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
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Robinson can’t hit the three like Markieff (though to be fair we don’t know that for sure, as he has never taken one in college)
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 3, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said you said he would make threes, I said it was mentioned...
And I commented on that by saying that I didn’t think he would, because he barely shot 50% from the free throw line last year.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 3, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what the confusion is....
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 3, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

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