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Inside KU Football: On Todd Reesing, Jordan Webb and Supporting Casts

Todd Reesing is a Jayhawk hero. The man burst onto the scene in a comeback win over Colorado that got people talking, then proceeded to rattle off win after win to get people believing. He took Kansas football to a place it had never been before, shattered various records, and left KU a legend.

Jordan Webb is... well, a Jayhawk quarterback. He started last season as Kale Pick's backup, burst onto the scene in a big upset over Georgia Tech, then proceeded to get hurt and play average at best and terrifying at worst sporadically throughout the rest of the season.

I know what you're thinking. No way, he isn't going to compare Todd Reesing and Jordan Webb is he? Of course I am! Kind of. Let's look at the two in regards to their supporting cast, and see what we find. It will all make sense after the jump. I think.

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First, let me say that I am in no way trying to diminish Todd Reesing's ability as a quarterback. The guy was the real deal and KU would not have made the Orange Bowl, Insight Bowl, etc without him. However, for a surrounding cast to take the field with, Todd could have done much worse. In Reesing's first year as a starter, the sophomore played behind one of the better offensive lines in Jayhawk history. He also had the support of an insanely efficient running game. Brandon McAnderson's stats for the season?  Try 1,125 yards, a 6.0 ypc average and 16 touchdowns. Jake Sharp? A modest 556 yards, 5.0 ypc average and five touchdowns. Holy smokes. Did I mention he also had a crazy talented receiving corps to throw to? Marcus Henry, Dexton Fields, Dezmon Briscoe, newly playing WR Kerry Meier, Derek Fine at tight end, Jonathon Wilson, etc. Point is, Reesing took control off a team that was very talented on both sides of the ball.

As for Webb, the redshirt freshman also had a decent running game at his disposal. After that, the comparisons are pretty much non-existent. Kansas' offensive line struggled last season (and that is putting it lightly) and consistency wasn't really what our WR corps were known for. Yes, Webb struggled, but how well can you play when you are running for your life half the time, have guys dropping passes left and right and you are faced with third and long every drive?

Now I will argue that a good quarterback makes the players around him better and vice versa, and one could make several arguments in regards to Reesing and Webb based off this statement. However, one collection of statistical information I keep coming back to is Reesing's senior season. Todd's final year in a Jayhawk uniform wasn't bad by any stretch, but it was a far cry from the monster numbers he put up as a sophomore and junior. After throwing 33 and 32 touchdowns as a sophomore and junior, respectively, Reesing threw for only 22 scores as a senior. His quarterback rating was nearly identical his first two years at Kansas, then took a significant dip his last year. Now many will argue he had injury issues his senior year, but I believe a significant factor in his on-field performance was that he simply did not have the talent around him that he played with in 2007 and 2008. His offensive line was not as good, KU's running game struggled, and his numbers dropped. That has to mean something, right?

Now for the fun part. Just to play Devil's advocate, lets switch 2010 Jordan Webb and 2007 Todd Reesing, like one of those cheesy body-switch movies like Freaky Friday with Lindsay Lohan (never seen it... just heard of it...). First, let's start with last year: Would Kansas have won more games, or was the talent simply too poor? Was Reesing a good enough quarterback and leader  to will our team to some more wins, or does his senior season show he was somewhat the product of a talented offense. What about Webb playing in 2007? How much does Kansas regress? Is there still enough talent on offense and defense to win 8 or 9 games? More? Less? Do we even know enough about the guy to make an educated guess?

In football, quarterbacks get the majority of the glory and blame, and that is the way it is. Let's just not forget how much Todd Reesing had to work with, and how little Jordan Webb had last year. Now fiercely debate amongst yourselves in the comment section.

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Here are my guesses

2007 with Jordan Webb: 6-7 if you count us as having to play Virginia Tech (Assumed losses to KSU, CU, A&M, NU, OSU, MU, VT)

2010 with Todd Reesing: 6-6 (at worst). Factor in the three we won + NDSU, Southern Miss and Iowa State. Maybe he makes the difference in one of the other blowouts (Nebraska, shockingly, was a winnable game if we had ANY offense), but for this purpose, I can’t give him that much credit.

by hiphopopotamus on Jul 6, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I still think we have the talent in 07 to win at least 7 games

Our defense shut down A&M too much (and our run game went nuts), CU would be close for similar reasons (we only gave up 14 points).

Not sure what to make of the Nebraska game – the corn scored 39 on us, but Christ their defense was SOOOO bad (hence our SEVENTY SIX points).

No way we beat OSU or MU that year. OSU’s offense had a lot of success against us that year, we only won because our defense was just that much better.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

As for 2010...

I think we easily win the NDSU game (Reesing is good for 10 more points alone in that game). I also think we possibly beat Iowa State, but after that its hard for me to find something other than Southern Miss.

However, I think his leadership and experience might have been enough to toughen our locker room up and get the younger guys fired up. Who knows how that would have translated on the field, but it would have helped.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

2010 with Todd Reesing: 6-6 (at worst).

I just don’t see how that is possible. He didn’t even win 6 games his senior season with better talent. Sure, we played a “tougher” schedule in 2009, but the teams that replaced that ’09 schedule (BU, A&M, OkSU) were no slouches and beat us by a combined score of 148-31.

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by Triston27 on Jul 6, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, make it rain

We got nothing else to talk about :)

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by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is KU football.

It and “good mood” don’t usually go together anyway.

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by Triston27 on Jul 6, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How quickly things turn...

::starts breaking things::

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by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Reesing played last year

I only see him winning maybe one more game, which is the NDSU game. If the ISU and So. Miss games were at home I’d give us a better chance, maybe even a win. But since they were on the road they’d still be losses.

Also, not sure we beat CU with Reesing. I thing we caught lighting in a bottle and everything just kind of came together for that win. I see Reesing trying to do too much to bring us back and we end up losing.

Not sure about Webb in 2007 but I think we probably lose to KSU, CU, A&M, OkSU, Missouri, and never play VTech. Probably lose to Nebs as well but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt as long as he can keep pace with Corn in the first half.

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by Triston27 on Jul 6, 2011 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting point regarding the CU win and Reesing

I definitely buy that argument.

As for 2007, don’t forget that Reesing had statisticly his worst game as a Jayhawk against KState (three picks to boot). We won that game with some big defensive plays and some deadly running from Sharp and McAnderson. Plus Colorado and A&M only scored 14 and 11 points against us in 07. Its possible we still win those games.

I’d say we’d lose to OSU, but still beat A&M (McAnderson was too much of a beast that day, and we only gave up 11 points). I’ll say we’d lose to KSU, and CU is a toss up.

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by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you the A&M game because of our defense.

But Reesing’s legs won that CU game for us. He ran all over them.

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by Triston27 on Jul 6, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then again, Reesing might have been out for blood after we lost to CU in 2009

When that comeback fell short and we got hosed by the refs in that offensive pass interference call in the end zone

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by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That bullshit call . . .

Was the beginning of the end. I stil blame that ref for what KU football has become.

by ISellDrugs on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That game...yeah

It just looked like things snowballed after that. So frustrating to watch. I went back last year and watched the second half, where KU thoroughly outplayed CU. Even worse than that call is on the last play of the game, the ball hits Dezmon Briscoe’s hands on the hail mary and he could have definitely caught it…

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by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is some serious speculation...

Is Reesing still playing in Mangino’s offense, or is he trying to work with Gill’s new philosophy? Is last year’s o-line still trying to figure out the new blocking schemes, or are they back in their comfort zone? If everything is 100% equal, and sophomore Reesing is adjusting to the new playbook like Webb was last year, I really don’t think he makes up for more than one, maybe two wins.

I’ll go against the grain here and say we still win at least 9 with Webb at QB in ‘07. A quarterback can look completely different when you give him a good o-line and outstanding position players, and I think we’d all be surprised how Webb might look with that cast of characters.

by PenHawk on Jul 6, 2011 10:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It is a straight up switch

2007 Reesing (as a sophomore) for 2010 Webb (RS freshman). It is both players’ first year. Just switch those two. Everything else stays the same.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love this post really makes you think!

2010 with Reesing 4-8.

2007 with Webb 7-5 or 8-4
I don’t need to explain myself.

I'd tell you to go to h**l but i work there, and i don't want to see you everyday!

by Jayhawk12_28 on Jul 6, 2011 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Pretty much identical to the records I had in mind

The more I thought about it, I couldn’t see last year’s team winning more than 5 at the absolute most (defense was too bad, too many blowouts) and conversely, couldn’t see the ’07 team losing more than 5 at the absolute most (defense too good, run game, special teams, etc).

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and thank you :)

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 6, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're welcome :D

I'd tell you to go to h**l but i work there, and i don't want to see you everyday!

by Jayhawk12_28 on Jul 7, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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