Is Kansas Basketball's 2011 Class A Foundation Class or a Transition Class?
The phrase foundation class tends to get thrown among Kansas fans when talking about the 2011 recruiting class. A group of five that could grow to six along with one transfer means that the Jayhawks will have quite a different look and feel than they did a year ago. To many it's a situation similar to 2008 when the Jayhawks added seven players following the mass departure on the tail end of a National Title.
It's something that happens to most major division one programs on some level in this "new era" filled with one and done's and early departures. Kentucky deals with it on an annual basis, other teams run up against it after a deep run in the tournament.
For Kansas the class in 2008 included the Morris twins, Tyshawn Taylor, Mario Little, Travis Releford and a pair that have now transferred in Quintrell Thomas and Tyrone Appleton. The class had a solid reputation coming in with the Morris twins being viewed as a duo with great potential. It took a little more time but overall the group did very well winning three straight Big 12 titles to date. Next year Taylor and Releford will be the lone remaining pair from this class and all in all it would be fair to say that the group provided a strong transitional group for Kansas.
What about this upcoming 20011 class? Are they a foundation class or are they a transition class? Are the two one and the same? And for that matter would you consider the 2008 class more of a transition class or would you call the Morris twins and Tyshawn Taylor a foundational group?
Hard telling if there is any difference at all but when you look at Bill Self's history at Kansas it's been a series of recruiting classes that has included strong three and four year players mixed in with some potential one and done, two and out talents. Darnell Jackson, Sasha Kaun and Russell Robinson provided a tremendous ground level group while Brandon Rush, Julian Wright and Mario Chalmers stepped in and raised the bar. Self was fortunate to keep Chalmers and Rush for three seasons ultimately winning a title, but both were players that had NBA aspirations from the start.
Fast forward to 2008 and the Jayhawks had a pair of solid players in Cole Aldrich and Sherron Collins. Throw into the mix a group of young players, some that would hit and some that would miss but overall the Morris twins and others helped bridge that potential rebuilding gap to the point where Kansas never missed a beat. Rather than seeing the falloff, Bill Self and Kansas kept moving right along.
In 2011 that doesn't seem to be as much of a certainty. A pair of four stars that could contribute fairly early and an assortment of developmental players and transfers make up the class of 2011. At this stage in the game it's not likely that any of the incoming talent will be heading to the NBA in a year or two. It's a group a step below Bill Self's first class at Kansas, a step below the 2008 class and really it's a group that represents Bill Self's riskiest patchwork attempt since arriving in Lawrence.
So how do they fit? With Kansas well positioned in terms of 2012 recruiting, does the 2011 class provide a foundation or just a brief transition? The perceived down year in the Big 12 along with some strong players returning should provide Kansas with an opportunity to again win the Big 12, but is this a group that stays together long term putting Kansas in contention?
Odds are that this isn't going to be the case, at least not in its entirety. Bill Self and college basketball in general sees a fair amount of transfers in today's game. Patience isn't necessarily a given and when you bring in seven players some will sink and some will swim. That's especially the case if there is a talented group of players lining up the following year to join your program.
Time will tell where this class fits in the grand scheme of things. Most likely there will be a player or two that find there opportunity elsewhere. Most likely there will be a player that exceeds expectations and provides a great story for Kansas basketball fans. And most likely Bill Self will continue to put Kansas in a position to succeed. At face value this looks like a transition year, but sometimes it's hard to tell when Kansas is transitioning and when Kansas is simply setting another foundation in place. Just look at 2008, things ended up working out pretty well for that class.
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I think the only patchwork player is Young, since he will only be around two years
Other than that, it is laying a solid foundation. Odds are the other five guys we have are all four year players. We got a four star point guard, four star wing, three star wing and two three star forwards who are athletic and have a high ceiling. Self covered the basics, but we still have an opportunity in next year’s class to grab a high impact shooting guard, center, etc.
It reminds me a lot of Self’s first class, where he grabbed a guard (Robinson), three forwards (Jackson, Kaun, Giles) and a wing (Galindo). The numbers for this one might be a little lower, but I personally think Tharpe and McLemore are going to develop into big time players, and at least one (perferably two) of our post recruits will have a Jackson like impact later on.
Self also has a whole year to woo and recruiit a 5 star guy or two to go with this foundation, and if past history is any indication, he will get the job done.
Also don’t forget we will have some veterans to mix in with this year and next year’s class. In two years, we will have Elijah, Releford, Withey and Young as seniors. This isn’t like 2005-2007 where we had a young team of all underclassmen and just watched them grow
Shit happens when you win championships
I will be very surprised
if all five of Mclemore, Tharpe, Anderson, Traylor, and Lindsay are “four year players.”
…at least at KU. Mainly the latter 3. At least one of those guys transfers out after 1-2 years.
I'd call it a thrown together class.
Getting the likes of Kaun, D-Jack, the brothers Morris, etc… was nice to create that base or foundation. But those guys were recruited from the get go and Self wanted them all along.
You don’t get that same sense with these guys. Not that they’re not welcome, but most of these guys wouldn’t be here if we didn’t miss on some late targets (LeBryan Nash, D. Daniels, Angelo Chol).
Perhaps it will all work out, but this class had a scramble feel to it.
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M&M weren't on the map until after the NC
when so many declared, and at least Tharp/McLemore have been recruited for a long time.
Definitely agree that there is more of a scramble feel. DD was one a very few late misses.
Interesting post
I think part of it is that the 2011 recruiting class is completely stacked, and the traditional powers “got theirs.” Kentucky went out and grabbed its usual top tier All-Americans. Duke picked up uber-star Austin Rivers and a handful of 4* that are 3-4 year guys, then reclassed Alex Murphy for good measure. UNC has the power inside-out combo of McAdoo and Hairston. The national champions UConn stole DeAndre “psych” Daniels late. Even in the Big 12, teams landed their “one stud” – Nash at OK St, Miller at Baylor, Kabongo at Texas. There’s no headliner to the Kansas class.
Even from a Texas perspective, their recruiting class has a tinge of a disappointing haul to it. Not that it isn’t impressive, just that there’s a wariness that the talent beyond Kabongo could end up performing like the not-quite-stars of years past. You know, the Justin Masons and Matt Hills of the world. There’s one thing KU fans have going for them; Bill Self has proven to be much better in developing the 3-4* talent than Barnes has.
2012 also looks to be much better for both KU and Texas. The recruiting base is extremely promising for both teams, and ideally your 2011 class will be a “foundation” supplemented by future stars.
Good thoughts JC..
And I’d agree that’s probably the reason for the overall sentiment. I would argue that McLemore is a pretty nice headliner though. Maybe he isn’t a guy that will come in and be a national force as a freshmen, but in our system, those guys aren’t really doing their thing anyway. I think we’re all going to be pleasantly surprised with him.
by hiphopopotamus on Jun 28, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree on McLemore
He was around the top 20 before he switched schools mid-semester.
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You have to give HCBS credit in that...
He did not go around promising a bunch of playing time to all of the McD’s AA because he honestly did not know what the team would look like. The recruiting class looks bad now but no one knew whether or not we would lose the twins and Selby and HCBS could not promise these incoming freshmen playing time. Unlike Calipari, who basically forced some of his players out because he had promised playing time to all of these kids. I think that we have done a great job recovering from the blow of all three leaving and having such a late start in this years class. Instead of complaining about this class being ‘thrown together’ we need to be glad that we have an honest coach that has these kids’ best interests in mind. We will be just fine this year and 2012 recruiting will make up for this year because it will be easier to determine the amount of playing time will be available.

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