NBA Draft Talk: Josh Selby To Memphis
The story late in the night seemed to be the plummeting stock of Kansas one and doner Josh Selby. Selby had a fairly disappointing freshman campaign at Kansas after arriving with huge expectations. Suspension and injury played a major role in that but regardless of the reason, Selby might be the best example of a player that was substantially harmed by the one and done rule.
A year ago Selby would have been a top 10 pick most likely. Today, well he's late second round and that isn't the pay day that was expected. Fact is he needed another year at Kansas to recover that draft stock. As we've learned here recently, you don't sell low. The winner in this might be Memphis who was able to buy low according to ESPN's Chad Ford.
"I have no idea whether Josh Selby will pan out. But at No. 49, the Grizzlies drafted a player with lottery talent."
"A medical red flag concerning a swollen knee and a skipped MRI was partly to blame for Selby's drop. But teams were more worried about his character and his poor season at Kansas. Still, when you watch his game film from college or watch him work out, you see that he has the potential to be special."
Up until the disappearing act following the season I'd say that the character thing shouldn't have been a huge concern. Yes he seemed frustrated at times when at Kansas but most of that seemed more to do with his struggle as opposed to the situation. Hard not to be frustrated when you can't seem to get things going.
Memphis all but admitted that the pick was made solely on what Selby had been billed as coming out of high school. They are well aware of the last year and what has occurred but hope that they can strike a little late second round gold with Selby based on his potential.
"We're taking him off his high school pedigree, I'm a believer that when you get later on in the draft and there's a big-time high school player around, you take him."
"I don’t think the world has had a chance to see the true Josh Selby."
- Griz general manager Chris Wallace
At the same time, Memphis has nothing to lose here. Being a second round pick means no guarentee for Selby, Wallace knows it and makes it well known that they see this as a gamble and it's going to be on Selby to prove himself now.
"He's got to come in here and make our team, Maybe this amounts to something. Maybe it doesn't. It's up to Josh Selby now."
Not the most ringing endorsement of all time, but Selby now has a shot and Kansas fans should certainly continue to support the former Jayhawk despite the fact that one more year in Lawrence would probably have been the best move.
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i hope it works out for him
no hate at all…just think he made the wrong move to leave after one year.
the one and done rule is awful…i would be happy if we didn’t take any more of them.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 24, 2011 11:28 PM CDT reply actions
Several comments
Selby commented several times, more early in the season, that he wasn’t entirely comfortable playing off the ball/2G. It would seem fairly obvious that another year wasn’t going to change that situation, as TT & EJ had both placed themselves in front of Josh. Even that is entirely on his shoulders tho, since he wasn’t prepared when the opportunity presented itself (TT’s suspension).
I’m guessing Josh saw staying as another year of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, and not necesarily as beneficial as most others presume. Even that though may have been in his best interest, since plenty of teams no longer have a 1 leading the team, but instead have a 2 or 3 leading the offense. In those cases, you need a 1 that can effectively play off the ball.
I commend him for ending the “student” game and going to work. Hopefully, he will continue to work at his game, and be able to consistently play like he did in the 2nd quarter of ‘10/’11.
I don't see him getting a lot of playing time unless he impresses.
Behind Conley/Vazquez at point guard and Allen/Young/Mayo at shooting guard. Maybe he can leap frog Vazquez as the backup shooting guard.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 25, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Vazquez the back-up PG?
Definitely see that as a possibility.
Yeah, but I just don't see Selby succeeding as a point guard, and Vasquez was pretty impressive in a couple of their playoffs games.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 25, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Josh not a PG?
That’s interesting, because he expressed several times at the beginning of the year that he wasn’t as comfortable pleying the 2. I think that is a big reason he moved on – Didn’t want to sit behind TT, and maybe even EJ.
If he wants to be a PG, he better figure out how to distribute and handle the ball.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Mario Chalmers played mostly a 2 type role at KU
And then was drafted to be point guard by the heat (and has been precisely that). Chalmers shows that if you have the skill set, it doesn’t matter how you were used at Kansas.
No, I think the fact that he was hyped as the number one prospect and was thinking NBA since he set foot in Lawrence was the reason he went pro… not his “position” at KU. Just my opinion
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jun 26, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think PT/competition was the last thing on his mind
His time in college was a formality, and nothing was going to feed or curb his desire to move on as quickly as possible.
Uh...yeah. But did Selby ever show the skill set?
Chalmers shows that if you have the skill set, it doesn’t matter how you were used at Kansas.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I wouldn't say he showed it, at least not nearly consistently enough
I was more just pointing out how “position” wasn’t likely a deciding factor in his decision
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jun 27, 2011 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions
There was a huge difference in college careers between Mario and Selby.
Besides, Mario’s teams had, like, 3 point guards on them anyways. Sleby never really showed that he can
A. handle the ball
B. distribute.
All he really did here was shoot.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 27, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Again, not trying to compare the two of them at all
Just pointing out that a guy can play off the ball as Mario did at KU and still play the point in the pros… if he has the skills. Never said Selby had the skills or he was similar to Chalmers, just pointing out the position argument wasn’t the main factor, IMO
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jun 27, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just crazy...
I think I’ve said it before, but as recently as December, there was a legitimate argument to be made that he was better than Kyrie Irving. Irving is the unquestioned #1 pick and, well, Josh was not…
I really do hope it works out for him, but until it does, he’ll be considered a cautionary tale. When you’re selling at an all time low, don’t expect to be paid what you think your “asset” is worth.
by hiphopopotamus on Jun 27, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
He is an extreme cautionary tale too
In the past, cautionary tales were guys like Kwame Brown and Sebastian Telfair. These guys never really got it going in the NBA or lived up to their hype, but at least they still got drafted fairly high (or first overall in Brown’s case). Selby didn’t even crack the top 40. Most cautionary tales are guys who go early based on their potential and never make it, or maybe a guy that slides to late first round.
In the end, he needed to eat some humble pie and return and he couldn’t do it. Hopefully someone learns from his lesson. It’s one thing to go before you are ready and still make millions of dollars doing so. It’s even worse to go before you are ready and have no guaranteed money…
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jun 27, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions

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