Depth A Concern Coming Out Of The Kansas Spring Game
Last Saturday Kansas fans had a chance to watch the earliest edition of the 2011 Kansas Jayhawk football team during the Spring scrimmage held at Memorial Stadium. Overall the reviews are cautious, yet slightly more optimistic when looking ahead at 2011 compared to the results of 2010.
The reality is that Kansas was a 3-9 team and the road actually get's more difficult in 2011 than a season ago and Kansas could very well be a 3-9 team once again. Still, many did feel like it was a team that looked more organized, better prepared, better conditioned and more experienced which could go a long way toward Kansas avoiding 59-7 beatdowns distributed by the in-State rival.
Some of the positives notes were the offensive line play, improved team speed on defense, running back depth and "better" play from the quarterback position. But if there is one concern that stood out at times during this one, it's depth. Quality depth is what is going to allow Kansas to compete at the level they need to in order to get back to a bowl game and right now the Jayhawks look to still have work to do.
Sure a Spring scrimmage putting the first team against the second team is going to present some mismatches, but at times the Kansas first team looked capable of executing far too easily. One could argue for a case where the first team is just that good, but if we're being honest it probably speaks more to the depth. Honestly this isn't unexpected. Depth isn't something that is built overnight, Saturday was more of a reminder of where we stand with it.
When you watch Kansas you see a team that does look improved at offensive line, improved at linebacker, and improved at receiver and other areas as well. You also see a team that is thin on quality depth on the offensive line, thin at defensive line and perhaps thin in terms of experience in the defensive backfield. It's a situation where once again, a single injury could be devastating. Welcome to life on the edge. It's one of the tasks in front of Turner Gill and his staff as they attempt to bring Kansas along as a program, and it's the primary area where Mark Mangino whiffed in taking Kansas and truly turning the corner.
The good news is that much of the apparent lack of depth is due to youth. Dylan Admire, Randall Dent, Tom Mabry and Gavin Howard made up four of the five second team offensive lineman and all are in the early stages of their careers at Kansas. Many have noted that Admire looked impressive given the fact that he probably could have spent Saturday at prom rather than a Spring scrimmage. The other good news is that the Jayhawk staff has a host of players coming in that will compete and have the ability to upgrade depth with time. It will be interesting to see how this years small recruiting class plays into things, but this summer might also mark a point where an upperclassman or two that don't stand to see time look elsewhere.
Kansas has improved it's starting talent. Whether that be through development, comfort in a system, coaching or recruiting, the Jayhawks looked a bit better on Saturday than they did a year ago. Kansas also adds a few players returning from injury when we hit fall camp so that will help. Increased focus on the walk on program, incoming freshman, etc. Clearly things are being done to try to address this and I also find it reassuring that the coach speak coming from the Kansas staff doesn't seem to be nearly as vague and uncertain as it did a year ago. Beyond that depth has to be my top concern, but that's just part of building a team and a program and one of the big challenges that Kansas football has always faced.
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I think you're right on the money with most of this
The greatest disparity between first and second teams on Saturday was in the trenches. The truth is, neither our offensive or defensive line is going to be much better than “average” this year. So the fact that the first teams were dominating the second teams shows you just how much trouble we’re in if last year’s injury plague continues. Like you say, this may be more of a youth issue than a talent deficiency, but it just makes me that much more worried about this season.
by PenguinHawk on May 3, 2011 8:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with all of this...
However, depth was just as much of a concern last year AND the first team was not dominating or even really beating the second team. Given the choice to only pick one fix, I’d rather my starting unit improve and my depth remain a concern. That seems to be what’s happened.
by hiphopopotamus on May 3, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The big difference there
Is that Thorson was playing at about 75%, Spikes was out, and Hatch weighed half a ton. I almost disregard our o-line play from last season.
by PenguinHawk on May 3, 2011 9:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mid-season yes...
but Thorson was healthy in the spring and Hatch had not yet ballooned…and that spring game was may have been the single worst performance I’ve ever seen.
I’m definitely not excited about our OL. But if for no other reason than they’re more adjusted to this system, they look like a MUCH better unit. Individually, I’m still not sure, but they were moving well together on Saturday.
by hiphopopotamus on May 3, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Hatch hurt last spring?
If I remember correctly he didn’t play week 1 against NDSU because of injury (maybe it was still a weight issue). I think Hatch and Spikes both have potential to be NFL players, but as a whole, our line still gives me nightmares.
I disagree...
I think the offensive line will be better than average if they can stay healthy. The lack of depth is an issue on the defensive line, and you can’t really count on incoming freshaman most of the time because physically they’re not ready. Keba was an exception, just looking at pictures from hin in high school you could tell he was physically gifted.
Linebacker is another position I think the depth is better, but could be an issue. It will be interesting to see what they do with the depth chart come fall because I don’t know how you can keep Malcom Walker off the field. Not only from the spring game but what I’ve seen up close. Willis and Johnson are locks to start at the two inside in my opinion. Walker from what I’ve seen has outplayed Tharp. It’s a good problem to have. Thoughts?
by Thunderstick28 on May 3, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
The o-line will be better than last year
but an above-average Big 12 line? I just don’t see it. I think last year’s issues may have skewed our perception a bit.
As for linebacker, the early returns on Walker are good, but remember that Tharp was an all-Big 12 linebacker as a true freshman in ‘09. If he’s at 100%, there’s no way he doesn’t start. Early on I was more worried about LB than I am now. Johnson, Willis, and Tharp are pencilled in to start, but I’m confident in Walker and Bakare, and Mestahn should be alright. If I had to guess I’d say this unit will far and away be the strength of the defense barring injuries.
by PenguinHawk on May 3, 2011 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tharp was Freshman All Big 12, big difference from just All-Big 12
Turner Gill has already said that he’s definitely in the mix to be a starter, and they both play the same position. So you can interpret that however, maybe they move people around but they haven’t yet.
I keep forgetting about Mestan, and then Bakare coming this fall so that does add quite a bit of depth at the LB spot. I agree I think this will be a strength of the D.
by Thunderstick28 on May 3, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
you're right
He was on the 2010 preseason all-Big 12 team, not the ‘09 team, but nonetheless the kid’s a stud and I don’t see him spending much time on the sideline.
by PenguinHawk on May 3, 2011 11:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
didn't we come into last year
feeling pretty confident over out o-line?
I think we had good reason to until everyone got hurt. I think our O-line will be a strength of the team this year, relatively speaking of course…
You can have a catcher who can't hit or a shortstop who can't hit, you can't have both.
It's possible
I think it probably comes down to their development as run blockers. All these guys were recruited to Mangino’s system, where the primary objective for the line was just to keep their man out of the pocket. Moving away from the spread last year forced them to play the position in an entirely new way. At the spring game they looked far more comfortable with it, so hopefully we can expect better performance this year. Still, I think “respectable” is probably their ceiling at this point.
by PenguinHawk on May 3, 2011 1:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought there were a couple OL recruits that were suppose to be in the physically ready categroy?
Definitely agree that most recruits need a RSF to adapt physically.
There is a new walk-on at LB also yes?
Seems like we may be a solid 2 deep this year vs. checking the 101 classes for warm bodies last year.
Turner pre-warned us about depth
when he said that he wasn’t sure about the scrimmage format, because of the need for bodies on the DL.
Lewandoski (?SP?) underlined that after the game when he said he was so tired. That’s a recipe for ’06-esque collapses.
All the more reason that a solid run game and ball control will be crucial this year
Too often in 2006, our offense spat out three and outs again and again and again, and the defense was on the field too much.
Shit happens when you win championships
Luckily we should get more bodies before the season starts
Coach Gill and some of the players made comments that they were limited because of injuries, and the fact we’re supposed to have 10-15 freshman contributors should help. Of course that no doubt means we’ll have to deal with the growing pains that go along with inexperience, but I think that is much better than players getting gassed.
A&M '08 or '09?
They were a really young team, but played the guys from qualiy recruiting classes and got the exerience. Now they’re back in the bowls.
It should be interesting to see when the fall depth chart is released. I agree that injuries hurt us last year. Hopefully we don’t have that many this season. I"m getting really frustrated with people saying we have a brutal schedule. Yes I know we have one, but so do the other 9 schools that are in our conference. Seriously what makes our schedule any more difficult then the other teams? Besides the fact that we went 3-9 last season, and was hit really hard by the injury bug last season. I’m sure the other coaches from the other schools in the conference aren’t looking at us as an easy win for their respective team. I have a feeling that some time this season we are going to pull a stunning upset in conference in conference play. I’m not sure if it will be at home or on the road. Hopefully both. I’m also sure the players don’t want a repeat of last season.
e arterbery
Injuries are a big part of it
The year we won the Orange Bowl, we weren’t very deep, especially on defense. We were a LB, but we were pretty thin at DB and DL after the starters. We lucked out that no one really got hurt all season, especially our impact players.
If (a big if) we can luck out in the injury department, that alone will make us a lot more competitive.
Shit happens when you win championships
2 of 3 non-con are against bowl teams
That is significantly better than many other programs, and more built for the ’07-ype schedule before we went to a 10 team conference.
Other than that, very valid points
It is easy why we have the thoughest schedule in the big 12
because we are the worst team. OU doesn’t have to play a top 10 team in OU, they instead get a bottom feeder in KU. The same goes for every other team. When you are the worst team in the Big12, every team is better than you and by default you have the hardest schedule.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care. (#739)
by KRichards on May 4, 2011 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can say from the conversations I've had
that yes, everyone else (even Iowa State) is looking at us as an easy win.
by PenguinHawk on May 4, 2011 7:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nevermind
you said coaches, who never look at anything as an easy win. Well, except our coaches when preparing for North Dakota State.
by PenguinHawk on May 4, 2011 7:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
New LB
It will be interesting to see how Isaac Wright does. I’m look forward to watching him play.
e arterbery
Hopefully we can surprise some teams by beating them. I want to forget about the NDSU game. I’ll take the upset of then #15 Georgia Tech. Everybody said we had no chances to beat them and look what happened. We pulled the upset
e arterbery
by e jayhawk on May 4, 2011 4:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

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