Kansas Jayhawk News and Notes 4.5.11
by Owen on Apr 5, 2011 4:00 AM CDT
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2011-12 College Basketball Top 25 | LostLettermen.com
Beginning to feel a lot like '08-'09 and as I recall that was a pretty gratifying season. Low expectations, a chance to watch a team grown and come together and then nearly making a surprise trip to the Elite Eight.
KU quarterback position up for grabs | CJOnline.com
Yes the QB position. I'd say it's going to be a hot topic until September at the earliest.
Little brother says KU recruit Ben McLemore LeBron-like | KUsports.com
Nothing like expectations. Those always seem to work well.
Kansas football ramps up fitness | KUsports.com
A little on the revamped conditioning program.
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Colt McCoy's younger brother Case McCoy stars during Texas Longhorns spring game - ESPN
Did you know that Case's dad is best friends with Jordan Shipley's dad from way back in college at Abilene Christian? And on top of that that Colt (Case's brother) and Jordan(Shipley) liked to fish together when they were roommates at Texas in college? The storylines are ENDLESS!!
Why every team should install its offense in three days (and other political theories on coaching offense) | Smart Football
Specialization is the key to running a very good offense?
Kim English, Laurence Bowers of Missouri to consider entering draft - ESPN
Well if these two go our entire team can enter. So long Royce Woodridge...enjoy the NBA!
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Really feeling that "get off my damn lawn" today....
Little brother says KU recruit Ben McLemore LeBron-like | KUsports.com
Nothing like expectations. Those always seem to work well.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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that's what happens...
when you watch an NCAA championship game that more closely resembles my late night rec league games from this winter.
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Apparently...
Neither team wanted to be mistaken for the best in the country. Truly awful.
I love the NCAA tournament. But this year, it did not work. We need to get a few decent teams together and settle this thing unofficially.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 5, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Turns out we needed a BCS for hoops this year
Ohio State-KU sounds like a great game compared to that mess.
You all knwo anything about this?
http://twitter.com/alexkennedynba
Selby working out in Vegas and hiring an agent?
Plenty of rumors...
picking up steam that he took of out of Lawrence last week probably never to return. I know there were a lot of things out of his control this year but if true this was a really disappointing stint for what Self called the most talented player he’d ever recruited. Now I’m just curious if it’s bad luck or the way the Self handles the one and done types.
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Very disapponting for sure...
I honestly just can’t imagine him not returning. I know these kids have a different perspective than I do, but it’s just nuts.
I listened to a good podcast between Bill Simmons and Steve Kerr a couple weeks back and they were discussing early entries, etc… (great listen if you haven’t heard it) and as an example, Kerr brought up an interview he’d done with a KC radio station. The interviewer asked Kerr if he thought Selby should declare… Kerr was dumbfounded! Why would he declare? He began listing off reasons in a stream of consciousness…he hasn’t played a whole year…when he’s played, he hasn’t been very good…his draft stock has plummeted…there isn’t a single reason for him to declare, etc…
Hope for his sake that someone intelligent gets through to him.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 5, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
This pisses me off
Because he could have been a great player for us. Instead he is taking the coward’s path and bolting.
Nothing about the way he played this year showed me an NBA team would jump on him early in the draft. I think this is a result of him not living up to the expectations so he is taking off and not dealing with it.
Have fun being an early second round draft pick. Maybe you’ll make a roster
Shit happens when you win championships
I don't blame Selby here...he wants to be a pro and he'll get drafted.
I think HipHop has hinted to it in the past and I tend to wonder more and more myself, but did Self handle Selby the right way. Look if we want to be in the one and done game we need to let these guys play and let them learn on the court. If we aren’t willing to do that then we need to accept being Michigan State. Look at UConn’s rotation, they’ve got some frosh in the mix that learned all year long.
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Yes and No...
I agree with EVERYTHING you said. But part of why I don’t think Bill was ever comfortable with him was because he couldn’t let him work out the kinks in the non-con, but instead had to do it in Big XII play. That wasn’t on Bill. That was on Josh.
I don’t think Bill is blameless, but this is on Josh. He started this season as a probable lottery pick. He got suspended. He got hurt. He didn’t fit in. And no he’s a late first rounder at best. But he does have talent and someone would take a chance on him. Understood. Assuming this all worked out, and generously let’s peg him for the 25th pick… he’d make about 900k over the next three years as he mostly develops in the D-League.
If he comes back, grows and DOES fit in. He is a guaranteed lottery pick. Say he’s the tenth pick, which is conservative if he really takes the leap he could… he makes 1.9, 2 and 2.2 over the next three years… and he’s WAY more capable of coming in, contributing and working toward the second salary…which is what really pays the bills.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 5, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
This.
If he comes back, grows and DOES fit in. He is a guaranteed lottery pick. Say he’s the tenth pick, which is conservative if he really takes the leap he could… he makes 1.9, 2 and 2.2 over the next three years… and he’s WAY more capable of coming in, contributing and working toward the second salary…which is what really pays the bills.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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I dunno -
Last year he started Xavier the whole year, I’m not sure that this is on Self
Pour yourself a Tim Collins
And he was starting Selby almost immediately
until he got hurt. I agree with KUGrad. This is a scared kid who wants to take the easy way out.
That or a guy who has too strong of a voice in his ear.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Wow.
Nothing about the way he played this year showed me an NBA team would jump on him early in the draft.
Wasn’t it a universal thought that he’d be a one and done player anyway? Nothing has changed there.
I don’t understand why people are so hurt over this. Everyone keeps remarking about how he didn’t play well enough this season and scouts won’t think twice about him. None of that matters when it comes to the NBA draft. Very very few players that are ever drafted are NBA ready their first year.
The NBA draft is all based on potential. Right now Selby still has potential in the eyes of NBA decision makers. If he were to come back to school and have another sub-par year, he’d no longer be looked at as someone with potential. Can’t blame him for capitalizing here because the downside far outweighs the upside in regards to another year of college.
www.oreadboomkings.fantake.com
Disagree.
I would agree with you if the scouts still projected him in the 10-20 range, based on said potential. But they don’t.
What I do agree with is that some team in the late twenties will draft him….knowing that they don’t have to play him yet and that they’re getting a lottery talent for a 28th pick price.
But if you have lottery talent, don’t you want to go in (or at least near) the lottery? Right now, he won’t. I’m pretty sure Selby thinks he’s as good as Kyrie Irving. And whether or not that’s true, I don’t know, but enough people agreed with him that it’s not a ludicrous comparison. Irving is a possible #1 pick and guaranteed top 5. Selby is looking at barely staying in the 1st round.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 5, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
True
That if you believe you’re lottery quality, why not wait for lottery money. But that’s no guarantee.
Suppose he comes back. He’d already be competing for a lottery pick against other players who would currently be lottery bound had they not already announced another year of school. People such as Barnes and Sullinger. Add to that the freshman that will be declaring next year, Austin Rivers, LeBryan Nash, etc… Next years class is already looking better than this years so why not throw your hat into a watered down draft pool?
On top of all that, there’s a real possibility that KU’s 3 other best players are leaving. How effective will Selby be next year if the only post presence is Withey? Not very, and that would absolutely destroy his stock. Then he’d be falling from first round guaranteed money to 2nd round and hope you make a roster.
www.oreadboomkings.fantake.com
Disagree
If he has the talent and belief in his game, he could easily stick around one more year and increase his draft stock by at least 20 spots. What did he show this year that would make anyone believe he has an NBA game? He didn’t get to the rim when he wanted. He didn’t handle the ball well. He didn’t set up his teammates well. He didn’t shoot well after his first five or so games. He’s also a bit undersized for the league.
Another year could be huge for him and I don’t think his sophomore year would put him in any worse draft shape than he’s in now. However, if a guy’s dream is playing in the league then we can’t complain about it when he goes there.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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I'm not arguing that his game is NBA ready
because we all saw that it’s not. What I’m saying is that leaving this year gives him the better odds to realize his dream of making the NBA.
Sure, he could come back and be great next year and improve his draft position by 10-15 spots. But there’s also a great chance he comes back next year and doesn’t improve, and in his case a lack of improvement would be more of a drop and take away any chance of guaranteed money.
www.oreadboomkings.fantake.com
Well if he were to come back next year and not improve,
we’re wasting our time talking about his NBA potential.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Agree
That’s why I can’t fault him for taking guaranteed money while there’s still someone willing to give it to him.
www.oreadboomkings.fantake.com
But that's ridiculous...
This isn’t a Julian Wright situation where it’s all based on wingspan pie-in-the-sky potential.
Aside from injury, no one who is actually a good player ever hurt their draft stock by returning. Selby is a good player. He just needs another year to show that to everyone.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that he's a good player
but that doesn’t negate the fact that the risk is far greater than the reward.
Consider this. You’re a writer and someone tells you they have 40 people applying for 30 jobs and you could get paid a minimum of $850k per year if you get one of those jobs.
You can also wait a year and compete with another 40 people for 14 jobs with a salary starting at $1.5m per year, but there’s a catch. The catch is that part of this job competition will include writing a dissertation. Unfortunately, for your dissertation you won’t be able to use your keyboard (McMorris), pen (MkMorris), or a pencil (Robinson). Instead, you’ll have to write this whole thing using a crayon (Withey). And penmanship (wins) will count.
I’m not saying that Selby isn’t lottery material, but the odds are stacked against him.
www.oreadboomkings.fantake.com
If that's the scenario, he probably goes...
But I hardly consider that the scenario. IF all of them leave and he is left with Withey as the only inside option, I don’t consider that a detractor for Selby. Are they winning the national title with that roster? Not a chance. But can we spread out and let Selby, Tyshawn and our guards do a whole lot of creating? Absolutely. If he does that and knocks down some shots, he’s a lottery pick.
I also agree with Penguin that this is more a system fault than a fault of his, if he goes. And I can’t begin to explain what $850,000 sounds like to a guy from his background. But even in the situation you present above, I’d stay. The dollar amounts and the actual situation was different, but I already made this same choice when I left college… and I chose option B. So far, it’s worked out incredibly well and I have no current reason to believe that won’t continue.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 5, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame the system before I blame Selby
If he does leave after the miserable year he had, then it’s clear nothing was going to make him stay. He obviously just wants to play in the NBA, and the college game was a hoop he had to jump through.
The NBA’s rules force kids like this into a situation where they don’t want to be, and it damages the college game. Maybe Selby never showed an overtly bad attitude at Kansas, but if he’s ready to jump despite the way his season went, it’s clear KU was not where his heart was. His heart was already in the league. I can’t blame Selby for that. If he had the choice, he’d have gone pro after high school. But he didn’t. The rules say you pretty much have to play a year of college ball, and he made the best decision he could have made as to where he played it.
Bad situation, but not one of Selby’s creation. Good luck, Josh.
by PenguinHawk on Apr 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the rule needs to go. Everyone who's a fan of college basketball realizes this
I’m not mad at Selby or the Morris twins, just more disappointed. For Selby I think there’s no question he would be the man next year. A guard-oriented team would get to spread the floor and create off the dribble. Maybe he’s scared he won’t be successful but I really doubt it. Selby isn’t the kind of guy who lacks for confidence.
What’s going to happen is he’s going to get buried on the bench during a season that probably won’t even get all it’s games. It’s easy to say coming back to school isn’t a sure thing but I would almost say it’s more of a sure thing than being a late-first or second round pick.
Really good point with this
on the bench during a season that probably won’t even get all it’s games
Rookies who end up on contending teams aren’t going to get time to develop at all in a shortened season.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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I don't get it, don't these guys know that there's going to be a lockout?
Pour yourself a Tim Collins
I can't imagine the pressure these guys feel
Most of them coming from really poor families and the possibility to make millions right away clouds their judgement. Their families probably have agents calling everyday making promises that sound to good to be true (maybe thats why Angel wears a bluetooth during games.) Another year would greatly benefit some of these guys but they cant see past the glitz and glamour.
Frank Haith kind of reminds me of Turner Gill,
the hiring at least.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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ill explain this in the hopes of being in the same line of thought as warden
1. hiring comes under an AD that is nearing the end of his term
2. taking over a team that has had recent success (orange bowl for ku, elite 8 for mizzou)
3. bringing in a guy that has proven only mild success
4. bringing in a guy that is known more for recruiting than for coaching
5. both coaches focus more on the ‘building relationships’ side of things
i think they’re very similar as well, to be honest
"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
You're bottom 3 are exactly what I was thinking.
Listened to him a little bit on the radio today and what he was talking about sounded familiar.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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That's an interesting thought...
I don’t think any of us can speak to Haith’s coaching ability, but suffice to say, he hasn’t wowed anyone with x’s and o’s yet.
However, in my time around both guys, they do come off very similar. I’d guess they interview pretty similarly as well.
by hiphopopotamus on Apr 6, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
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