Is The Kansas Rebuild On The Way?
Following the 2008 National Title Kansas saw the departure of Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush and Darrell Arthur to early entry while Sasha Kaun, Darnell Jackson and Russell Robinson left due to expiring eligibility. The following year was expected to be the start of a rebuild but Kansas had two carryovers in Cole Aldrich and Sherron Collins that were able to lift a crew of new faces to a Big 12 title and a Sweet Sixteen appearance. The rebuild quickly turned into a reload.
In all honesty the 2008-2009 season was one of the more satisfying seasons as a fan that I can remember. Rather than going through a season filled with expectations and pressure, the year provided Kansas fans with that opportunity to watch a team develop and improve throughout the year. They were a frustrating group at times, not because they weren't reaching their potential, it was because they were learning but that seemed perfectly fine. It was a completely different feeling than the last two seasons.
While I certainly wouldn't ever discourage Bill Self from loading up, dominating the regular season and landing a top seed, it does look more and more likely that Kansas could be looking at a similar scenario next season. Rumors are swirling that the Morri will announce their departure this week, speculation is that Josh Selby will also depart with Thomas Robinson being the lone question mark but some indicating that there is a strong possibility that he too could depart. Throw in the loss of Brady Morningstar, Tyrel Reed and Mario Little and that is a potential loss of five to seven from the Jayhawk rotation this year. That's no small blow.
Best case everyone comes back and Kansas has a front line rotation of the Morri, Robinson and Jeff Withey. Worst case Kansas is now sitting with Withey and Justin Wesley in a paper thin front line that likely must include an undersized Travis Releford in the rotation. Reality probably rests somewhere in the middle as Kansas should either retain Robinson or land one or two bigs in the upcoming recruiting class.
The backcourt situation doesn't look as devoid of prospects regardless of what happens. Josh Selby returning to Kansas for one more year would be huge for both parties in my opinion but speculation at this very moment seems to indicate that this won't happen. I'll save my thoughts on the one and done for another day, but best case Kansas has Taylor, Selby, Elijah Johnson, Royce Wooldridge, Naadir Tharpe, Ben McLemore, Connor Teahan and I'll throw in Releford because his more natural position is probably the three. Worst case you remove Selby from that lineup if he chooses to declare and Kansas still has some depth albeit without much experience.
Now the question becomes whether or not this is a rebuild or if the situation exists where this group could once again surprise and give Kansas fans a reload scenario. It's tough to say. Who are the carryovers that can take over a team the way that Sherron and Cole did? Do Taylor and Johnson have that makeup? If Robinson sticks around he would certainly look to be a frontrunner to lead in that manner.
No one expected the seamless transition after the last go around and I doubt many would look at the worst case scenario above and feel that way either. There have been some very good programs that have gone through tough times following an exodus including some prior champions in Florida and North Carolina. It's just not an easy task staring Bill Self in the face at the moment. The hard part as fans is going to be tempering those expectations because every time we've done that in the past Bill Self has pulled rabbit out of the hat.
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I voted T-Rob
I would actually rather keep Marcus, but the Twins are a package deal. You can’t keep just one.
I always drink the Kool-Aid
I think Throbinson
with 30-35 mins a game as THE guy could be more dominant than McMorris.
Pour yourself a Tim Collins
The terrifying thing is we aren't going to have any scorers
At least in 2009, we had Sherron who was usually the best player on the court and could score at will. Next year… wow.
Really, we are just going to have to land some good freshmen and play them from day one. I still think that if/when the Twins announce, we are going to see at least one and probably two big men sign with us. Just going to have to play them.
Next year might be scary, but in two years, we will have Elijah, Releford and Withey as seniors, a couple talented guys as sophomores (McElmore, one or two big guys) and probably another young impact guy or two. Thats not too bad…
Shit happens when you win championships
You know what I learned from watching this year's tournament?
Don’t be afraid of losses or struggles. Deal with it and move on to the next game. There will be problems with this team if the Morri are gone. Those problems won’t be impossible to overcome though or be enough to drop the team to the bottom of the hoops world.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on Apr 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
might this be a source of the E8 "tightness?"
Speculating here, but is the pressure not to lose, the expectations set by having a 2-3 loss season even when KU isn’t supposed to, leading to the team playing tight in crunch time?
Do a few losses release the pressure, letting the team play to play and HCBS coach to coach, not playing/coaching not to lose?
Maybe that’s the definition of “choking,” but I don’t think it’s limited to KU. Since the tournament began, only 20 teams rated #1 in the last poll before the tournament have actually won, and the last one was Duke in 2001. Plus, we all know that the 2008 tournament was the only one where all four #1 seeds made the Final Four.
Do a couple losses allow teams to play loose? I guess we’ll find out next season.
i agree. it's easy as ever to make the tournament
and once there… it’s a crapshoot. play well late and you’ve got a shot at the thing
"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
recruiting
Recruiting is going to be pretty sick if/when the Morri leave. With absolutely no inside knowledge, my guess is that both Deandre Daniels and Jamari Traylor commit quickly (Traylor also is an IMG guy and the third buddy of Daniels and Christian Garrett). If that doesn’t happen, my guess is we land Otto Porter.
And 2012 is an embarrassment of riches of kids who really love KU:
Zach Peters
Perry Ellis
Kaleb Tarczewski
Nino Jackson
From reading the interwebs (The Shiver really does do a good job on recruiting), Ellis, Tarc and Nino are all really, really high on KU.
I don't want to say people who don't pick Marcus are crazy
but people who don’t pick Marcus strike me as pretty crazy.
by fetch9 on Apr 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I picked T-Rob.
My line of thinking is basically that we’ve seen the team with Marcus Morris as the engine, I’d prefer to watch the team with T-Rob as the engine now. McMorris is without a doubt a better basketball player right now but I’ve seen that movie before.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on Apr 5, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What about a team with a BETTER Marcus Morris as the engine...
Even if he is only a little better… with a slightly better Markieff…mmmmmm
#dreamondreamondreamittillyourdreamscometrue
Shit happens when you win championships
that's fair enough
I just wouldn’t want to go away from one of the most efficient and versatile scorers in the country
I justified it b/c the question was
“If I could keep one” not “Who is the best player”.
As great as the twins are and what they brought to KU, it’s their time to move on. I’d rather see TRob mature into the star he’s going to become.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 5, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Marcus definitely has the better O game
but yes I would like to see TRob get more PT because I think his D and R are worth even more than a “go to guy”.
How much better can Marcus get?
TRob is only going up, and he rebounds and plays defense better than Marcus. He scored 10 a game while only playing about 18 minutes. I wanna see TRob lead the offense and see what he can do.
never forget...
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anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 5, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was simulating my 96-team tournament idea with WhatIfSports.com's program,
I did an experiment with Robinson. I removed the Morris twins from the sim by putting them at the bottom of the depth charts, and simmed KSU/KU 10 times. Robinson was the PF, and Withey played C. KU went 6-4 against K-State under the neutral court function, and Robinson freaking dominated. I didn’t figure up his exact averages, but it was at least 19-20 points and 12-15 rebounds every game. One game he even had a 20/20. The kid will be an absolute monster if he stays another year.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Apr 6, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe if we don't have a "go to guy"
Everyone on the team will pick up the slack that much more.
Maybe if the team isn’t convinced they can outscore all comers, they’ll focus fully on playing shut down D. The 10-11 team grew a ton through the year wrt to D, but the VCU game would indicate that they weren’t sold on the concept.
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In all honesty the 2008-2009 season was one of the more satisfying seasons as a fan that I can remember. Rather than going through a season filled with expectations and pressure, the year provided Kansas fans with that opportunity to watch a team develop and improve throughout the year.
100% agreed. Most of my best KU memories come from that team, or the Hinrich/Collison teams.
never forget...
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anything is possible...
it never ends, does it?
"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'
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Owen is turrible! No one reads this site!
by hunter s. royal on Apr 6, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions
Ha. New content would probably be a good thing.
Come on authors!
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