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Kansas Falls to VCU, Cinderella Run Continues

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This is a story I didn't expect to write today, as Kansas falls to Virginia Commonwealth in the Elite Eight.  There aren't many things to say right now, congratulations to VCU on their Cinderella run to the Final Four.  They came out today and put the pressure squarely on the Jayhawks.  Hitting what they threw at the basket and completely disrupting any offense the Jayhawks tried to run in the first half, leading to a 14 point lead at halftime. 

As many of us hoped, the Jayhawks came out determined to cut into the lead early in the second half but it wasn't meant to be.  Right when Kansas started making their run, VCU was fouled on a three pointer.  The free throws slowed down the momentum and it was followed by a 3 that killed it.  The three pointers were really the story of the game.  VCU ends the game 12-25 from behind the arc while the Jayhawks ended the game 2-22.  Throw in bad free throw shooting (15-28) and this was a very winnable game, the points were there to be had.  Unfortunately, the points are still out there.

Not the way anyone saw it ending this morning, but it's where we are.  The offense ends up being the downfall of this team.  Poor shooting and a non-existent bench today was enough to bury them.  Now I guess it's time to look back on what Tyrel Reed, Brady Morningstar and Mario Little brought to one of the greatest programs in the nation and hope for Marcus and Markieff Morris to return to Lawrence.

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Taylor/EJ

Selby/Woolridge (Lacey? doubt it)
Releford/McLemore
Mc//Mk/TRob
Mk/TRob/MC
2012 national champs.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

No way that happens, but it'd be awesome

Best case scenario is we return Markieff. Marcus is 100% gone, draft stock too high. And really, I don’t care if Selby returns, because he isn’t that good. Has potential, maybe he pans out, but he isn’t ever going to be an all-big12 guard.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

He was close to all-big 12 guard before he got hurt

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he could be a good player

But he won’t be a “this guy was a top recruit” player.

I hope I’m wrong, just waiting to see it still…

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends what you call a "this guy was a top recruit"

The Morri weren’t top recruits, yet they were the 2 best players on one of the best teams in the country.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they got progressively better and better and better

Selby was supposed to be Derrick Rose/John Wall/ maybe even almost Beasley/Durant good. Thats the expectations when you are the top recruit.

And he wasn’t even close. Little disappointing.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't remember hearing that he was gonna be THAT good.

Would you say Henry lived up to his expectations then?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was THE NUMBER ONE RECRUIT. Haha... Of course he was supposed to be that good

All the other guys were number one recruits. Ok, maybe not Durant good, but still good enough to be a weapon.

Henry was about what I expected. He gave us 12 points a game, shot fairly well from three, and that was that

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Selby was not the #1 recruit

He was definitely behind Barnes, Irving, Knight, and Sullinger, maybe even the Joneses too.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thus, he was number one IMHO

I hold Rivals a little above Scout and ESPN for basketball recruiting

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I expected for him to give what we got from Henry, and that is what we got until the injury.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Way

If Marcus goes, so too does Markieff.

by JFOX2109 on Mar 27, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about they both stay?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said best case scenario is somehow Markieff stays

Maybe his draft status isn’t high enough, and he wants one more year in school to get his numbers up scoring and rebounding wise.

Most likely though, they are both gone

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying you think they will both stay?

Even though Marcus is probably a top ten pick, and Kieffer will probably go first round as well?

Why? Why would they?

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the chances they stay

are higher (if only slightly) because of the loss today than they would be had we won today. Still, I think they both bolt. And they probably should.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

1. They want to win
2. They want to stay together
3. We’re grasping at straws at the moment

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

din't Marcus say something

about looking forward to doing something next year at KU? A senior night or something? I don’t remember the context, just that he made a comment earlier in the year that overtly suggested he’d stay. Not that it means much now that the decision needs to be made.

by PenguinHawk on Mar 27, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was talking about playing Kentucky

He’s really said nothing to indicate he’s changed his mind, everyone just assumes

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was when he found out we were playing Kentucky

in the Champions Classic to open next season.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just going to say that

He was referring to the 4 team thingy we got going on the next 3 years. We play Kentucky, MSU, and North Carolina I believe.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't totally disagree, I worded it poorly

I just don’t think that it’s as easy as a decision for them as you think.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere Markieff wants to graduate.

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by SupremeChief on Mar 28, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't they really close with TRob as well?

Didn’t Angel Morris adopt him or something? Or was that just the term they used? They might not wanna leave him behind after everything he’s been through.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Releford will at least be back up at the three

He’s gonna be freaking good… would almost want him over Marcus if that’s the case

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

im less put out about our shooting woes from beyond three...

and more stunned by our utter indifference to closing out on the threes taken by vcu…

honestly? if we played anything close to the same defense from friday night, vcu shoots 30% today and we win

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Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'

by scouted on Mar 27, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Open shots too.

Some days aren’t meant to be unfortunately.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you had told me before the season we'd make the Elite 8, I'd be pleased

But this is just horrible. You lose two games all year, then you are handed the easiest road to the title game you could possibly imagine.

The sad thing is, I will believe to the day I die that if the opponent’s jersey had said “Purdue” “Notre Dame” UConn etc etc etc we’d be in the Final 4.

Once again, we played like crap against a small school.

The biggest problem I had is we didn’t play one good game this tournament. We played average against BU, slightly above average against Illinois and Richmond (Richmond mostly just played atrocious) and then today’s debacle.

Point is, we now have two straight years where our team absolutely dominated the regular season and didn’t play well in the big dance. Its getting old. Its concerning.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW,

I now take back what I said about Sherroncolllinsisthebesteverandilovehim. My bad, bro.

Big XII Champions: Check
Big XII Tournament Champions: Check
NCAA Regional Champions: pending
NCAA Champions: pending

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did you say?

I don’t remember, I blacked out

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll bet.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got to disagree Grad.

We played fine against BU, Illinois and Richmond. We were just awful today, and I think any team left in the tourney would have beaten us when we were this far off our game.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

We played ok

But we haven’t had a coming out and just mauling the other team game in years. I mean, the 07-08 team at least waxed up the inferior teams. We don’t. Last year we struggled to beat LeHigh, then lost. This year, we played decent, beat three bad teams, then lost.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I know that’s what most people will say, but when the problem is shooting…I don’t think you can blame that on not coming out motivated. If we were just playing sloppy, sagging off on D, not rebounding, etc. I’d agree with you. But this was “one of those days” shooting the ball. From 3, from 2, didn’t matter. Shots weren’t falling. I won’t put this one on the “overlooking smaller schools” tendency this team has had.

by PenguinHawk on Mar 27, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I don’t think they looked tight or sloppy or unconcerned, they just shot really, really bad. All of them! Not a single person who played in a Kansas uniform had a decent shooting game. NOTHING would go in. Not 3’s, not 2’s, not freethrows.

Marty

by MartyR on Mar 28, 2011 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alright

Time to vent my rage. Gonna kick my feet up, play some Halo Reach, and imagine those ugly aliens are Shaka Smart.

by JFOX2109 on Mar 27, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Gun a few down for me.

I’d bet a lot of money MU looks at this game and throws a ton of money at Shaka because “OMIGOD, HE OWNS KU!”.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

hate to agree with an ohio st. fan

but have to echo a sentiment i heard on their board yesterday. for all that is great about the ncaa tournament, this is what you risk with a single elimination format. the best teams, and the ones who would actually draw a large audience, are not in the final four because they had simply terrible shooting nights. now bball fans get to look forward to one of the most underwhelming semifinals in history. not saying i would want a bcs-like system, but no way you can argue this system is perfect.

alright, end soapbox rant. on to research paper.

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by reeditandweep on Mar 27, 2011 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah its kinda bullshit

VCU vs. Butler in the Final 4. Give me a break

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

One of them will be playing for a National Championship!

by JFOX2109 on Mar 27, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody will watch that. lmao.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't complain in '08

and I won’t now. This is one of the best playoffs in all of sports, if not the best. Yeah, Butler vs VCU is lame, but that happens sometimes.

by PenguinHawk on Mar 27, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. It's a harsh format,

but that’s what makes it so sweet if you can fight your way through it.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wholeheartedly agree with you.

the tourney is definitely the best there is. i’m just saying it’s not perfect and this kind of thing is really tiring. but yeah, no question that nothing else is better.

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by reeditandweep on Mar 27, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I hate about the format

Is that it even takes some of the shine off the winners. There are a lot of people out there that claim Memphis was better than us in ‘08 and simply choked the game away. That’s incredibly unfair towards those players (and flat-out wrong) and what they accomplished.

F.O.E.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 27, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

7 months, 19 days

until we open next year against Kentucky at Madison Square Garden.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Now

The title game will probably be UConn vs North Carolina/Kentucky. Not a bad game to watch.

by JFOX2109 on Mar 27, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

That can't happen.

Title game will be UNC/Kentucky vs. UConn winner vs. VCU or Butler

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I Know

I was simply the winner of that game will probably win it all.

by JFOX2109 on Mar 27, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might as well be U-Conn vs VCU.

Calhoun is more crooked than Calipari & Bruce Pearl combined, and the future MU coach on the other side. Get all of the bad karma out of the way this year. Screw it.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smart isn't going to MU

If he leaves, he is going to a better situation than that

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

They may get so turned on by the win today

that they massively overpay though. If they throw 2 million a year at him, and guarantee a 5 year deal, he can have a Quin Snyder like party in Columbia before moving on to a serious job. :)

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair point

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he'll need assistants!

Our chance Grad! Sabotage the enemy from within.

Not they need much help.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather dive into a 12 foot deep pit of mousetraps

Than have any association with that school

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't be watching any more tourney

Cubs (ugh) and Bulls time.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheer up.

I’m a Royals fan, and I bet they suck more than the Cubbies this year!

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha thanks.

I see your not one for the “104572345025 years since a championship” kinda thing.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw them play in Arizona this week

Looks like they’ll score some runs this year, but the pitching situation is awful.

F.O.E.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 27, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

And at least you guys never have expectations.

thus, you will never have your hearts broken so many times!

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What!

We have the greatest farm system in the history of the universe!

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ours was pretty good until we traded for Garza.

But I understand the pessimism.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know we're all smarting,

and it’s fine to envision what our team will be if everybody comes back, but just to pile onto the already engulfed negativity pyre, here’s what our team could look like if we lose everybody we could lose:

PG: EJ/Nadire Tharp
SG: Woolridge/ ?
SF: Releford/ ?
PF: Justin Wesley/ ?
C: Jeff Withey/ ?

I’ve got faith HCBS will get some good recruits, but we’re not gonna get any of the top guys until our current players make up their minds about coming back or leaving. We could (should) get McLemore, we’re still in it for DeAndre Daniels, but I’m not sure we really should relish becoming a one-and-done factory.

I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but this loss could hurt for a long, long time.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

That team... is just pure terrible

I’m really bummed that Self hasn’t pulled in any big-name recruits yet. McElmore would be nice, or that forward we were after… but man, its been a while since we’ve had a class like the 04 or 05 ones

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

McLemores a project

He wont be ready to contribute as a Freshman … really Daniels is the only player left who could make an impact but Duke’s gotten in on him and he’s expanded his list to include bullshit like San Diego St. and Colorado

We really really really need some people to stay

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really am pretty confident Selby will

I was looking at recent mock drafts and he wasn’t there until the 2nd round.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've gotta think Daniels is waiting to see what the Morri do.

If they go pro we’ve still got a good chance for him. If they don’t, it makes no sense for him to come here.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wants to play the 3

It might be better for us if they stay…

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was pretty much the only reason

he didn’t commit/enroll earlier this year, probably. In fact, maybe he chose not to because he heard the Morri were coming back!

/takes off rose-colored glasses

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but even if guys stay

We are still hurting in recruiting. Self’s last good class was right after the title, grabbing Taylor, the Twins and getting Little from JUCO. He got guys with upside that would be around 3-4 years yet could still contribute somewhat early (Tyshawn has started since a frosh, Morri have started/played a lot since sophomores)

Classes like that should come along every two years.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree with this...

He DID bring back to back top 5’s.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but thats kind of my point

His best classes is when he hauled in a ton of depth. I think it has been tough though because we haven’t had a ton of open schollies.

IF the Morri go pro, he has two openings right there. Make em count.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

TRob and EJ would both be starters and two of our best players if it weren’t for T2 and the Morri.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think we had a lot of guys this year that could have put up big numbers if they were the focal point of the offense- TRob, EJ, Releford, healthy Selby, even Little.

I think the crazy depth we had this year may have even stunted the development of our younger guys.

F.O.E.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 27, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

depending on how things break this off-season, we may find out how deep this team really was.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Selby will stay

Maybe not the Morri.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

My hunch is Selby stays, too,

but who knows who has his ear re: draft?

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he would have to have a pretty large ego to think that he is ready

And he doesn’t appear to. In the last mock drafts I looked at he had slipped to the 2nd round. Why go play in the d-league when you can be one of the best players on one of the best teams?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I totally agree, don't get me wrong.

He needs to stay another year at least. I just don’t know who he listens to.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

2012 is looking to be one of those years but yeah we missed out on a couple of guys that were pretty shocking (Turner, Beal)

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I made a fanpost about that a while back

I kind of turned it into a joke, but we really have the potential for a very, very down year next season

by PenguinHawk on Mar 27, 2011 4:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah, I knew we'd still be good

Before the season started I predicted us to go 12-4 in Big 12 play. We exceeded expectations, but I knew a team with Taylor-Reed-Morningstar-Twins would be solid, and Selby was an added piece I thought would make us pretty damn tough

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

7th.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sixth I think.

Duke, Pitt, UNC, KSU, and OSU were ahead of us. Might have been another team up there that I can’t remember, so maybe seventh.

by MJR on Mar 27, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dick Vitale had us at #25, fwiw.

Also, his bracket is in the 25th percentile on ESPN, so shows what he knows, right?

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Villanova was 6th

We were 7th.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were 7

But up to 3 after the first two weeks

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love this.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus,

I have all the faith in the world in HCBS. He’s a great coach, and he’ll have his team competitive from the get-go.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. The only negative about a title this year,

is that maybe Self would have figured he’s done all he could here and might have looked for an NBA job. As long as NCHCBS is here, it will be fine.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Self would jump to the NBA, at least not for a while

Until he struggles at KU, I think he’d stay here at least 8 more years. He wins too often and has too good a chance to go down as the best KU coach ever

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to be that guy, but I'm so salty after this loss I'll say it

Mid-Majors are not good for the sport, they are bad. College basketball is at its best when the top teams are competing for championships. Even though I hate the schools and all my friends do to, I would absolutely watch Kentucky vs. UNC play for the title. If VCU or Butler are in it, I don’t care. Its a cool feel-good story that I don’t care about

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I root for a juggernaut

I’m as evil as they come

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

:)

i’m sure you guys will be back next year. sorry to bother you, i’ll let you go back to your 5-star recruit laboratory to prepare to destroy the moon or whatever you ku fans do in the off-season.

by kevinf on Mar 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, God-willing haha

But I’m not holding my breath. We could be in for a 2-3 year hole, especially with the tougher Big 12 coming

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He will never be heard from again

I’m locking him up forever

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did he do now?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

refused to retrieve his shine box.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't notice this.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

VCU could very well win the national title

When it shouldn’t have made the tournament. I mean… its just bullshit

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

No, and I've been saying for years

I wish it wasn’t single elimination, or was at least in the format of the world cup at minimum (group stage, then do a final 16).

I feel like anyone could be beaten in one stupid game, but over time, the cream rises to the top and you would have solid powerhouse Elite 8 and Final 4s. And avoid this garbage Final 4

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way man.

Keep it the way it is, and love the drama. The games wouldn’t be near as thrilling if one shot couldn’t knock you out. Now I definitely don’t want it any bigger, but 64(8) single elimination is great basketball to watch.

As far as we go, Bill’s just got to find a way to keep his players loose. He’s a smart guy, he’ll talk to some people, figure it out. But there is no way I don’t chalk this up to playing tight. Tyrel was like a fiddle out there.

by play4'ships on Mar 27, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate being a kansas fan in Illinois.

I don’t get any sympathy.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Couple quotes from HCBS:

“Sometimes in sports, the harder you try, the worse you play.”

“Their players could play for us anyday. They got what they deserved today.”

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

So I'm already in next year mode.

Lets start with recruiting. IF we returned everyone, we have three openings correct?

And this class we have Tharpe. I’m going to assume we have McElmore, and we land a big with the last one (maybe that other guy we just got in on).

Now if guys start a leaving… who are we targeting? I need some optimism…

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Who's this Lacey?

I’ve never heard of him, I’m afraid.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trevor Lacey

40th overall player, 13th ranked shooting guard. He can be very good in a few years IMO. He’s apparently leaning on Alabama though.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/67000/trevor-lacey

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't need more guards

The bigs we’re going after are Braeden Anderson, Stan Simpson, and some JUCO dude, all three stars

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Psh, three stars... sigh

I know I sound like a snob, but how do we not land absolute superstar bigs? Don’t guys see how the Morri, Cole, Darnell, etc etc etc all developed here? Don’t they see the coaching Manning provides??

How the hell is there not a line of real deal bigs trying to get a spot here?

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then, hopefully,

his 5-star SF teammate the year after…

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, his teammate is

Julius Randle, who’s the #1 recruit in 2013, for now.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He goes to the same HS as Julius Randle

Who is the #1 recruit and a PF for 2013.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Zach Peters is a four star PF who’s best friends and teammates with the #1 player for 2013 who I think is a PF too… There’s a couple of twins from Texas we’re after too who are extremely talented, the Harrison brothers

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now your talkin!

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice
He’s a tough one to compare so we’ll roll out Marvin Williams meets Caron Butler with a Kevin Garnett-ish motor. The left-hander is a pro in the making. He loves to catch on the blocks or extended, face and weigh his options. Not afraid to go glass and can drive it from mid-range going either way. Basically, he’s a real problem. When he needs to, he can explode and is a conscientious rebounder. His touch around the rim and ability to leap multiple times is noteworthy. The young man has counters and power moves. If he likes his matchup, he’ll dive right to the blocks and set up shop. There isn’t a spot on the floor where he can’t begin his drive or jumper. Likes the baseline too and will hit high-arching fadeaways. Randle owns a motor and has an affinity for playing hard.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit I forgot

We’re also now in for a three star PF Otto Porter who’s one of the fastest rising highschool players in the country (will probably be a four star by rivals by end of year). He was likely a Mizzou lock until Anderson left and now it’s us, Mizzou, and Georgetown. He’ll be visiting KU pretty soon. After McLemore he is priority number one!!

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take him.

Even though he’s from Texas, he sounds like a big version of Brady & Tyrel. Loves Self, loves the school, will use up every bit of his eligibility.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The white guy? Whats his name again??

I was kinda excited when we got him

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zach Peters?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the one.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'd much rather go to Ohio State

Look how awesome their big guys are doing in the NBA

F.O.E.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

lololololol

That made me laugh. Poor Greg Oden

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The best part about this loss is how clear the reasons are.

No searching like last year wondering what the hell happened. The team got the shots, the team missed the shots.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on Mar 27, 2011 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn right.

It's all on Owen, Warden, & Fetch.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Last year hurt a lot more due to that reason.

And most likely because we all knew Cole and X were leaving anyway.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

but no KU loss has ever hurt this bad… even though all three were leaving we had a nucleus of really good players. We were so goddamn close to a final four and we blew it, and now we have to sit on our ass and hope our best players don’t leave or next year could be really tough

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose

But I just don’t feel quite like I did last year.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those all really sucked

but to be so close with not a lot going for us next year … just really tough

by Walshdollar on Mar 27, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm old enough to remember 1997. That was horrific.

This year is more frustrating because the road was setup to get to the championship game and we didn’t take advantage of it.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

And these roads don't open up like this for us too often

In 2008 it did which was sweet, but then you have years like 2007, where there is a good, matchup nightmare waiting for you (a la UCLA)

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This hurts because of the easy road

Thats what stings

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

But at the same time, that “easy” road may have been our undoing. This team was at its best when it was playing with a chip on its shoulder. We obviously didn’t have that today.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is the case.

If we’d been playing a 5 or higher I think the pressure wouldn’t have gotten too us as much

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 27, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The hard part about College basketball

all but one of the good teams end the season with a heart breaking loss.

I always drink the Kool-Aid

by bt01 on Mar 27, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Not this year

All the good teams have.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget about the NIT and CBI champions!

They end the year with heart-breaking wins…

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

We would have been worse

And worse for the future as well. Henry would have made us miles better though IMO.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree.

Our team would be SO different with Cole down low. T-Rob wouldn’t get any minutes, Kieffer would have gotten far fewer minutes.

That said, Marcus would have played more at the 3, so maybe it would have offset it a bit.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure T-Rob wouldn't get any minutes

We’ve gone with a 4 big man rotation before. Little might have been screwed, though.

F.O.E.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 27, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right.

If HCBS played Marcus at the 3, T-Rob would have gotten minutes at the 4/5 spelling Kieffer/Cole.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'll agree with this

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheer Up Guys

You have a great coach and a continuous buffet of 4/5 star recruits. Missouri, on the other hand, just got screwed by it’s coach right when the future looked bright. Hell, maybe we can steal Purdue, Butler, Richmond, or VCU’s coach!

by mpfische on Mar 27, 2011 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I give you…mpfische! It’s been far too long, old friend.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crap now I gotta change my avatar

scrambles for a cool DRose picture

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey now!

What about Alfonso Soriano?

by hunter s. royal on Mar 27, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too many to choose from...

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

you have my permission

To steal my profile pic ;)

by PenguinHawk on Mar 27, 2011 5:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't tell if you are assuming I'm a Sox fan

Or if your rubbing it in. If that’s the case, then, well, we’ll get one within 50 years…
Maybe.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

rubbing it in

but hey, I’m with ya on the Bulls!

by PenguinHawk on Mar 27, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other thing to remember is that this team was always capable of laying and egg.

It’s probably the most frustrating thing because we’re all well aware of the high ceiling this team had, but they too often shot themselves in the foot. Today they happened to shoot their foot off and just couldn’t overcome the self-destructive plays they’ve done all season long

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 27, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

A tougher Big12 will hopefully also prepare this team for a longer run

Yeah we might end up with more losses, but I think a couple extra losses before tourney time could have helped this squad

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 27, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the conference was the problem this year.

It just sucks that we played our worst game of the year in our last game. Same thing happened last year, too.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think @KSU was worse.

The team actually kind of quit in that game. They were trying hard in this one, just could not hit any shots at all.

Marty

by MartyR on Mar 28, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Noticed this page has 23 fb likes on it.

Nice work, Warden!

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

For as great as this team was,

all 3 losses this year were by double digits, which surprises me. Overall, the team had just 8 wins with margins under 10 points. Not necessarily saying anything about the team/scheduling, etc. but maybe the takeaway is that when this team was good, it was really good, and when it was not so good, look out.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 5:55 PM CDT reply actions  

This is what bothers me about this loss

VCU didn’t deserve to be in this tournament. They also don’t belong in the final four. They don’t run much of an offense. Sorry, but VCU made 21 shots – 12 of those were threes. Their offense sucked in the half court. Throwing up threes when you have nothing else available is ok, but that was their entire offense. When those stopped going in, we came back. They played the same way at the end of the FSU game – in that game both teams should have lost because they looked so bad.

Which leads me to my next point. Brady and Tyrel were terrible today. Markieff, not much better. Marcus and Tyshawn were OK. We hadn’t played a game this poorly all season. I think if we play bad, then we win this game. However, we played terrible. Also, I would place some blame on the refs – because they were bad – but I can’t because KU played like a nervous high school team that wasn’t ready for a game this big. That’s why I’m rooting for Butler and not VCU, and that’s why this loss pisses me off so much.

by Lucamachine on Mar 27, 2011 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to disagree. We played worse @KSU.

The team actually kind of quit in that game. Which, IMO, is worse than what happened today.

Marty

by MartyR on Mar 28, 2011 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Calipari now

becomes the first coach to reach his first Final Four three times.

That was...disappointing.

by Bensa on Mar 27, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I say the Morri come back next year

I don’t see them going out like this. They will encourage the team to stick together 1 more year. Also those two are so incredibly co-dependant they would pass up millions in the NBA for another year together. Hell in that article bensa posted today it says the even shower together. They have been saying all year long f.o.e. I am certain we will see them next year. Now if this turns into a ranked #1 all yr long like 2000-10, we will see

by fizzle406 on Mar 27, 2011 6:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

F.O.E.

Free-throws Over Everything.

by knayte on Mar 27, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Not Surprised...

Rock. Choke. Jayhawks.

by jtdoes on Mar 27, 2011 7:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Coming from the Texas fan...

Warden, Fetch, etc please ban this guy. He comes around here and does this now and then and its too tempting for me not to unleash the fury

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

please go to yahoo or some other forum

The posters there are trolls and/or extremely uneducated. You will fit right in

by fizzle406 on Mar 27, 2011 8:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, it happens every year

People just piling on. When you are jealous of another school’s success, I guess it makes you do weird things that us normal people don’t understand

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like what you did there

with that rhyming thing. It totally fits.

by Lucamachine on Mar 27, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

to all trolls

we created the game… you guys are just trying to catch up

"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'

by scouted on Mar 27, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I guess

VCU caught up today then huh? Haha

by jtdoes on Mar 27, 2011 9:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

we are equivocating a single win with the crushing weight of the history of basketball?

yes, apparently we are intelligent

"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'

by scouted on Mar 27, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

When is the last time your team did anything significant

Quick – name the best thing Texas has done in basketball in the last 10 years that DOESN’T involve Kansas.

GO:

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on man, you gotta back it up a little bit

I’m just curious. What is Texas’ biggest basketball achievement in the last ten years that does not involve Kansas.

What is it? Give me something come on

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh ok cool,Kevin Durant

Played at Texas one year. Lost to KU twice. You guys didn’t win the league that year, got broomed by us and also lost in the second round of the tournament.

Congrats. A guy played for you a year, and now is good in the NBA. Reason to be proud

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Dude I was just joking haha… u really need to relax and step away from the keyboard

We routinely underperform with great talent and u guys routinely lose to mid-majors… it’s just the way it is.

by jtdoes on Mar 28, 2011 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't want to ban you.

But if you’re not going to add anything other than trash, it’s going to happen.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Mar 27, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let him answer my question first

I want to see what his answer is.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok fine

I’ll lay off… u guys had a great season no doubt and I was just joshing geez…

but seriously the Morris twins are jerks… everyone kinda knows it as true

by jtdoes on Mar 27, 2011 9:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

we can cherry pick players on your team too...

every ref in the big 12 paid way too much attention to them and they got penalized for it each game…

and kansas still won the league…

"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'

by scouted on Mar 27, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

From a guy that played them on the court today.
“I’d like to start off by saying that both of those guys are really good,” Skeen said. “They’re NBA talent, as everybody already knows. I respect both of them. I came in the game thinking that they were not so cool on the court and I thought they were some buttholes on the court — that’s what everybody told me, at least — but when I got on the court I found out they were really cool.”

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Mar 27, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes you did.

Ignore the trolls and they’ll go away.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Mar 27, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

it might be required with these guys

"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'

by scouted on Mar 27, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really what the hell do you have to talk?

You guys had the Big 12 championship in hand, but blew by losing like 3 of 4 games, to no ranked teams, and you didn’t even make the sweet 16.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 27, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

just still in shock

this team has had poor games, but they played so unbelievably bad today it just defies logic…i really thought this team was different, but they crumbled under the pressure and panicked when things started off poorly.

i can’t help but believe they took vcu lightly…this one hurts.

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 27, 2011 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

they didn't take vcu lightly...

they just didn’t play defense until the second half… by the time they figured it out, it was too late

"C.J.: They sent me two turkeys. The most photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten.
Bartlet: If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch." - The West Wing, 'Shibboleth'

by scouted on Mar 27, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno if they took them lightly...

But they did seem tight. They just missed everything.

Sometimes it is a lot easier to not have the expectations and play with nothing to lose. We had everything to lose.

Look at the 2008 team. We played super tight against Davidson in the Elite 8, luckily we pulled it out. When you got the weight of the world on your shoulders…

I will agree though, I was shocked with how poorly we played.

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by Andrew Clark on Mar 27, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Morri+Taylor = 47 points

Rest of team = 14 points

Just awful days from everyone other than those 3.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Mar 27, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never a better time for...

Warden’s Bracket Challenge score update!

It looks like tequilaprophet has held on to become the leader, and his lead should hold. All hail tequila!

by sax solo on Mar 27, 2011 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

We can’t rest on 2008 forever, we haven’t beat a seed higher than a #9 since then.
2009-#14 North Dakota St (W)
          # 11 Dayton (W)
          # 2 Michigan St (L)
2010-#16 Lehigh (W)
           # 9 UNI (L)
2011-#16; #9; #12 (W)
           #11 (L)

Not sure what this means, except it doesn’t look like the results of what I’d expect.
And this doesn’t address the Bradley and Bucknell losses of earlier years.
This tournament is just cruel, no best of five or anything like that.

Sorry…just rambling…POed, but if you had asked me to fill out my dream bracket, it would look just about like what we got. Ouch!

by Red Lion on Mar 28, 2011 12:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't take anymore losses to mid majors in this tournament

There is a growing list of mid majors that makes me shudder when I think about them. Yes, the championship is GREAT, but if this keeps up it will outweigh the championship for me.

by Lucamachine on Mar 28, 2011 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

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