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Turnovers, Possessions, And The Kansas Jayhawks

LAWRENCE KS - FEBRUARY 21:  Elijah Johnson #15 of the Kansas Jayhawks battles Keiton Page #12 of  the Oklahoma State Cowboys for a loose ball during the game on February 21 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence Kansas.  (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

In this year's College Basketball Prospectus, John Gasaway wrote an article titled "The Incredible Vanishing Turnover" that discussed a recent trend noticed in college basketball; turnover rates have slowly declined over the last few years. 

In 2006, the average for BCS conference teams was about 21 percent.  In the four years since then, the numbers drop to roughly 20, 19.5, 19.6, and 19.  At first look, a change from 21 to 19 percent doesn't seem huge but as pointed out in the article, when the vast majority of teams are between 15 and 23 percent, a two percent drop is noticeable when talking about an average of 73 teams. 

What's the importance of this?  Well, we know that a turnover is probably the most detrimental event to a team on the court in the course of a game.  Turnovers come in various ways but they often lead to transition opportunities for the defense, which they should be able to convert into points.  So they not only hurt the offense because you forfeit your chance to score, they often hurt the defense as well.  For now though, we're going to focus on the offense.  Here's what Gasaway says as TO's relate to scoring:

On average each turnover costs you 1.28 points, where "you" is defined as a major-conference team in league play. That might seem like a small number, but remember it the next time you see a starter record what appeared to you to be three easily avoidable turnovers. That’s almost four points for the other team right there.

The 1.28 is the average, Baylor and Kansas were the two leaders last season scoring 1.43 and 1.42 points on each "effective possession".  As we can see, when you already have a very good offense, they hurt even more. 

Now let's check in on the Big 12 numbers this year.

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NonTO PPPConf PPPDifference
Kansas 1.46 1.19 0.27
Baylor 1.4 1.03 0.37
Texas 1.37 1.1 0.27
Kansas St. 1.34 1.05 0.29
Missouri 1.33 1.1 0.23
Colorado 1.32 1.06 0.26
Texas A&M 1.31 1.07 0.24
Nebraska 1.27 1.01 0.26
Texas Tech 1.27 1 0.27
Iowa St. 1.22 0.99 0.23
Oklahoma St. 1.22 0.98 0.24
Oklahoma 1.21 0.98 0.23

 

Kansas leading the conference shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.  When a team shoots 58% on two pointers and 40% on three pointers through 14 conference games, you know they can score.  Baylor showing up as the 2nd best offense when they take care of the ball surprised me just because of their record this year but shows what a 25% TO rate (12th in the conference) will do to an offense.  Also somewhat surprising is the small range (outside of Baylor) in the difference between actual points per possessions and points per effective possession. That should tell us something about the cost of a turnover but I can't sort it out right now.  Thoughts?

As a team, Kansas has actually been better in conference play this year in regards to turnovers.  They rank 4th in TO rate at 18.5 and average just under 13 a game.  It's somewhat shocking to see the number that low when three guards who play a significant amount of minutes have TO rates of 27 (Taylor), 24.8 (Johnson), and 24.2 (Selby) this season.  Thomas Robinson has also been a little turnover prone in his career, so the team should be thankful that Marcus Morris and Tyrel Reed both rarely turn the ball over.

Conference Games

PossPtsTO'sNonTO PPP
@ISU 81 84 16 1.29
NEB 64 63 15 1.29
ISU 68 89 9 1.51
@CU 65 82 12 1.55
K-State 73 90 14 1.53
@BAY 63 85 14 1.73
@K-State 69 68 18 1.33
@TTU 70 88 6 1.38
CU 72 89 15 1.56
TEX 72 63 12 1.05
Mizzou 71 103 12 1.75
@NEB 69 86 12 1.51
OSU 74 92 13 1.51
  • The Texas game is even ugly (possibly uglier) when using "effective possessions".  1.05 ppp is so far out of the norm that I'm tempted to just ignore it completely.  Texas had something to do with that but their defense is that good.
  • The game in Manhattan highlights what happens when the team doesn't take care of the ball.  The offense wasn't stellar when they did keep it but just seeing 18 turnovers reminds me of how awful it was in Manhattan. 

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Cool stuff.

It’s definitely an interesting way of looking at things. I wonder what the “right” TO% is – in the sense that if you’re too cautious you might actually start to inhibit your offense.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 1, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

That's a good question and it would depend on/be related to a ton of factors.

Off the top of my head, I’d say a team like Kansas (very good shooters on the court) would benefit from being extremely cautious with the ball. However being very good shooters could also mean they can afford to be a little riskier because their good shooting will cover up a few turnovers.

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by Warden11 on Mar 1, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Warden

During KSU’s miserable first 2/3s of the year, I kept cursing the turnovers. I always thought there had to be some way to quantify just how hurtful they were, but I never did the research to see it. I like seeing the numbers, even if I’m too lazy to go learn what all of them mean.

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by Sean T on Mar 1, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

nice work, Warden

I will admit I’m not a huge fan of effective possession analysis, but you do a nice job with it

by fetch9 on Mar 1, 2011 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

It has its good and bad things.

It really helps with teams like Baylor. Not sure if it says anything about Kansas though, like I said in my reply to sagehen above.

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by Warden11 on Mar 1, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't the small range for each teams in nonTO ppp and conference ppp

show that turnovers really don’t make all that big of a difference? Aside from Baylor who’s a full tenth above the rest of the conference, the order of the offenses from best to worst are the exact same as they would be with no turnovers

by Walshdollar on Mar 2, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

Not the exact same..

Mizzou (leading the B12 in TO%), for example has the third best offense by PPP, but only the 5th best if no one turned the ball over.

I’m not sure about the logical validity of a “except for the case that disproves my point…” type of argument, either ;)

by sax solo on Mar 2, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

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