Breaking Down the Defense: A Statistical Look at the Guards
One of the weakest areas in analysis across all sports is individual defensive statistics. There are many reasons why it has continued to stump some very intelligent people but the biggest one is figuring out how to divide responsibility among the guys on the court for an action. This is a huge problem in basketball because good defense is always played as a team. Shutting down your man but letting the opponent lob over the top of the post defender all night is a fail. Sure, your man didn't score but you let the big man score. On the other hand, stepping in to cut off dribble penetration often leaves the man you're responsible for open along the perimeter. If the guard kicks it out, your man hits a three because your teammate got beat off the dribble.
David Hess at Audacity of Hoops has a great project going in trying to evaluate individual defense, his results highlight a few of the issues we have. Looking at this results from the Colorado game, he has Tyrel Reed down as the best perimeter defender for the Jayhawks that night. Taylor, Johnson, Selby, and Morningstar all bring up the rear, well behind Reed's rating. However, as he mentions in his post on the Colorado game:
I’m willing to bet that has a lot to do with the smalls getting stuck guarding Cory Higgins and Alec Burks, while the bigs got Marcus Relphorde and Austin Dufault. That illustrates one of the biggest weaknesses in this project – lack of matchup info. Even among the smalls, as Tyrel Reed the best defender because of actual play, or because he got to guard the fifth wheel more often?
How often did Reed end up on Burks or Higgins? That's information we don't have without spending hours breaking down film. For this reason, I'm going to focus on how the opposing guards do as a whole and just apply it to KU's guards. To judge the team defense, the average offensive rating, effective field goal percentage, turnover rate, and offensive rebounding rate is compared to how they performed against the Jayhawks. If they're doing worse than their season average, good for the Jayhawks.
First up, the results of all players that I considered guards. If a guy was a borderline big/small, I basically used 3 point attempts as the tiebreaker. For example, Mario Little logs time at the 3 spot but few of us would consider him a guard.
| Avg ORt | Game | Difference | eFG Avg | Game | Diff | TO% | Game | Diff | OR Avg | Game | Diff | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Season Average | 107.48 | 107.39 | -0.08 | 52.46 | 49.80 | -2.25 | 19.67 | 18.99 | -0.58 | 3.94 | 3.74 | -0.16 |
Looking through the numbers, we can see that opposing guards shoot a little worse against Kansas than their average but don't turn it over as much. Neither is a huge difference from their average but it does cause the offensive rating to dip slightly. These results still have a lot of noise though, Martavious Irving has an O-rating of 96 for the season and put up a 0 against Kansas. As we know, zeroes kill averages but the defense should get some credit for that.
Breaking this out further, the guards were broken up into two tiers. The first tier is for the team's lead guards, the guys who use more possessions and are a big part of the offense. The second tier would be the Tyrel Reed's and Brady Morningstar's, guys who play a fair number of minutes but aren't the focal point of the offense. Basically, I was curious if the alpha dogs were giving us more problems than they should.
| Average | Game | Difference | eFG Avg | Game | Diff | TO% | Game | Diff | OR Avg | Game | Diff | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Diante Garrett | 100 | 102 | 2 | 47 | 50 | 3 | 17.3 | 16 | -1.3 | 1.1 | 0 | -1.1 |
| Darion Anderson | 105 | 106.6 | 1.60 | 49.3 | 43.3 | -6 | 20 | 6.6 | -13.4 | 8 | 2.6 | -5.4 |
| Lance Jeter | 112.5 | 120.8 | 8.3 | 53.5 | 50 | -3.5 | 16.1 | 27.2 | 11.1 | 2.2 | 0 | -2.2 |
| Toney McCray | 95.4 | 118.3 | 22.9 | 51.7 | 50 | -1.7 | 22.4 | 28.5 | 6.1 | 6.7 | 12.6 | 5.9 |
| LaceDarius Dunn | 115 | 84.9 | -30.1 | 55.9 | 38.8 | -17.1 | 18.9 | 35.7 | 16.8 | 3 | 4.5 | 1.5 |
| AJ Walton | 94 | 86.2 | -7.8 | 53.7 | 62.5 | 8.8 | 34.8 | 53.8 | 19 | 2.9 | 4.1 | 1.2 |
| Jordan Hamilton | 116.8 | 98.1 | -18.7 | 56.1 | 38.4 | -17.7 | 14.4 | 23.5 | 9.1 | 7 | 4.4 | -2.6 |
| J'Covan Brown | 104 | 145.9 | 41.9 | 49.3 | 75 | 25.7 | 22.5 | 14.2 | -8.3 | 1.6 | 0 | -1.6 |
| Alec Burks | 113.4 | 121 | 7.60 | 49 | 53.5 | 4.5 | 15.9 | 10.5 | -5.4 | 8 | 4.1 | -3.9 |
| Cory Higgins | 115.3 | 114.9 | -0.40 | 48.3 | 56.6 | 8.3 | 14.1 | 7.1 | -7 | 3.9 | 0 | -3.9 |
| Jacob Pullen | 110.4 | 99.9 | -10.5 | 48.9 | 45.4 | -3.5 | 17.8 | 11.1 | -6.7 | 2.9 | 4.9 | 2 |
| Rodney MacGruder | 116.7 | 93.2 | -23.5 | 57.7 | 65 | 7.3 | 18.1 | 30.7 | 12.6 | 8.8 | 14.2 | 5.4 |
| John Roberson | 100 | 138.4 | 38.4 | 49.3 | 64.2 | 14.9 | 22 | 18.7 | -3.3 | 0.9 | 0 | -0.9 |
| Average | 107.58 | 110.02 | 2.44 | 51.52 | 53.28 | 1.77 | 19.56 | 21.82 | 2.25 | 4.38 | 3.95 | -0.43 |
So the numbers do show a bit of a bump for the alpha dogs against the Jayhawks. They shoot a little bit better than their average when facing the Jayhawks but also turn the ball over a little more often. Can this information lead us to thinking that whichever Jayhawk is guarding these guys is a little more aggressive on the ball (Taylor) but also gets beat or gets caught going for steals elsewhere, leaving open shots? Maybe, I don't know but it makes sense to me. As for the offensive rating being higher overall, I'm not too worried about that. Roberson's performance alone takes it from a difference of -.56 to 2.44.
Role Players
| Average | Game | Difference | eFG Avg | Game | Diff | TO% | Game | Diff | OR Avg | Game | Diff | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Melvin Ejim | 112 | 112.8 | 0.8 | 53.7 | 50 | -3.7 | 15.8 | 16.6 | 0.8 | 10.8 | 10 | -0.8 |
| Scott Christopherson | 109 | 85.5 | -23.5 | 54.9 | 34.6 | -20.3 | 14 | 0 | -14 | 1.2 | 2.4 | 1.2 |
| Eshaunte Jones | 97.3 | 125.1 | 27.8 | 44.9 | 50 | 5.1 | 12.6 | 25 | 12.4 | 2.2 | 10.5 | 8.3 |
| Caleb Walker | 108.5 | 43.2 | -65.3 | 52.3 | 16.6 | -35.7 | 19 | 0 | -19 | 8.1 | 8.6 | 0.5 |
| Brandon Richardson | 101.7 | 67.3 | -34.4 | 52.9 | 14.2 | -38.7 | 23.2 | 25 | 1.8 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Drake Beranek | 98.7 | 135.9 | 37.2 | 54.9 | 66.7 | 11.8 | 26.4 | 0 | -26.4 | 2.2 | 8.6 | 6.4 |
| Cory Joseph | 111.5 | 93.2 | -18.3 | 54.3 | 62.5 | 8.2 | 17.5 | 20 | 2.5 | 2.7 | 13.3 | 10.6 |
| Dogus Balbay | 115.9 | 204.9 | 89 | 57.6 | 100 | 42.4 | 20.5 | 33.3 | 12.8 | 6.7 | 0 | -6.7 |
| Marcus Relphorde | 106.2 | 122.3 | 16.1 | 48.5 | 50 | 1.5 | 18.1 | 8.3 | -9.8 | 5.2 | 0 | -5.2 |
| Levi Knutson | 142.6 | 172.7 | 30.1 | 68.9 | 100 | 31.1 | 9.4 | 33.3 | 23.9 | 3.6 | 0 | -3.6 |
| Nate Tomlinson | 100.1 | 206 | 105.9 | 58.3 | 66.7 | 8.40 | 34 | 0 | -34 | 0.6 | 0 | -0.6 |
| Will Spradling | 109.4 | 77.4 | -32 | 52.2 | 33.3 | -18.9 | 28 | 20 | -8 | 2.2 | 0 | -2.2 |
| Martavious Irving | 96 | 0 | -96 | 47.9 | 0 | -47.9 | 22.5 | 50 | 27.5 | 2.9 | 0 | -2.9 |
| David Tairu | 113.1 | 24.5 | -88.6 | 50.3 | 0 | -50.3 | 9.3 | 0 | -9.3 | 4.3 | 0 | -4.3 |
| Javarez Willis | 88.9 | 105.9 | 17 | 47.5 | 57.1 | 9.6 | 26.1 | 16.6 | -9.5 | 0.5 | 0 | -0.5 |
| Average | 107.39 | 105.11 | -2.28 | 53.27 | 46.78 | -6.49 | 19.76 | 16.54 | -3.22 | 3.55 | 3.56 | 0.01 |
For the role players, we see a dip in performance. This makes intuitive sense if you compare the depth of KU's guards to those of the rest of the Big 12. Kansas doesn't have an Alec Burks or Jordan Hamilton but they have three or four guards that would be the second best guard on a lot of teams in the Big 12.
I'm not sure if there's anything to take from these numbers or not. Without looking at usage stats, it's tough to tell how much of an impact a player had going by just offensive rating. But the numbers pass the eye test for me, Kansas struggles with the studs but is very tough against the rest of the guards. One thing I didn't include and wish I would have was free throw rate or some type of fouls drawn stat. That might have told us a little more about how the guards handle the dribble from the defensive side.
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Could that be
at least in part, intentional? I’ve often felt that Bill Self has employed somewhat of a “let their first option do what he will, but we’re shutting down everybody else” mentality (remember our games against Durant and the Longhorns?). Don’t know if that has any merit at all, just a thought.
by PenguinHawk on Feb 7, 2011 9:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'll tell you what...Johnson > Taylor.
I’m sick of seeing boneheaded plays, turnovers, and not finishing at the rim. I have never seen Taylor so bad.
I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.
Johnson's had his fair share of boneheaded plays.
On Saturday in his first 4 minutes: foul, missed shot, rebound, foul.
And IMO, Taylor’s a much better defender.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Taylor was pretty awful (as usual)
but Johnson wasn’t much better. Did anyone else notice how much more smoothly our offense ran with Morningstar running the point?
Yea ≠ Yeah
I was going to also bring the numbers David Hess has come up with @Audacity of Hoops
but I’m holding off to link to his final numbers. Taylor’s graded out pretty well in comparison to the other guards.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Problem is,
statistically he looks better than he is. Often time, he makes plays that lead to other players turning the ball over and he’s not credited with a TO. Which makes his AS:TO ratio look better.
He’s had his good games this year, I will give him that but he lacks consistancy and we need 7 consistant games in March and April from our Point Guard and I don’t think we’re going to get it…
Yea ≠ Yeah
Especially on fast breaks
But the numbers I’m talking about are defensive and a little subjective, so they’re not as vulnerable to that.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
by Warden11 on Feb 7, 2011 5:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Still a long ways to go on the defensive stats,
but good to see that there’s progress. Certainly is different than baseball when trying to conceptualize how to evaluate the individual vs. the team.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 7, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions

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