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Kansas Vs. Kansas State: RE-Viewing The Wildcats

Jayhawks vs. Wildcats tonight in Bramlage.  The stakes couldn't be higher for a Kansas State team that once held a #3 ranking and the "preseason" Big 12 top spot.  With a loss the Wildcats fall to 4-7 in the conference and 16-10 overall.  That might mean they need to almost win out or come very close in order to secure an NCAA tournament bid.

For Kansas, it's a possible #1 ranking.  When the polls are released later today the Jayhawks who sit 24-1 could very well find themselves in that top spot and a win in Manhattan keeps the Jayhawks in striking distance of the Longhorns for a seventh straight.

It's a rivalry.  And this year was supposed to be a pair of games that pushed it to a competitive level with true implications on the line.  Kansas has won 42 of the last 44 meetings between these two and the Jayhawks hold a 21-1 record in the building they play in tonight.  A couple months back Jacob Pullen declared the Big 12 K-State's to lose.  They've done a nice job of accomplishing that and now it's a game with implications the same as any other year.

At the same time Kansas State can salvage a lot tonight and the Wildcats will be ready as fans and players alike would love nothing more than to knock of a #1 ranked Jayhawk team at home.  If you can't be the best, it sure helps to beat the best and that could very well happen tonight.  All subtle or not so subtle jabs aside, I've got a feeling we're in for a tough one.

Rankings:

AP Poll
NR
RPI
#35
SOS
#18
SOS Projected
#10

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Since We Last Met

Since the last time these two teams have met not much has changed. Why?  Well it's only been two weeks and the Wildcats have only played three times.  Kansas State did destroy Nebraska at home which some felt might have signaled a turning the corner for a late run, but then the Wildcats squeaked out a last second win on the road against last place Iowa State.  Not exactly a huge boost of confidence from that one.

Sitting 4-5 Kansas State has a big opportunity to swing the momentum with a revenge game in Boulder against Colorado.  Things couldn't have set up better.  The Buffs in foul trouble and completely inept offensively as Alec Burks found himself on the bench for much of the second half.  Easy win right?  Wrong, Kansas State was equally putrid on offense and ended up losing despite what appeared to be a last minute game winning three pointer. 

While all this is going on, the team is once again facing rumors surrounding a senior "leader".  Curtis Kelly, a preseason all conference player, was rumored to be facing a suspension due to some sort of team/NCAA violation.  Reports surfaced of an appeal, which he "allegedly" won and all the while Frank Martin is pretty much burying his head in the sand and acting like nothing is happening.  Are the reports completely false and fabricated?  Not likely, but Frank says to go "ask your source".

Either way the Wildcats are a team facing some distractions once again and they are a team that is facing a pretty big must win situation here against Kansas.  Their backs are against the wall and while the season has been a bit of a disaster, Kansas State should put up a pretty big fight tonight if they're worthy of any consideration as an NCAA tournament team.

 Offensive Averages:

Points
72.8
81st / 7th
Assists
14.1
93rd / 4th
Rebounds
39.2
20th / 2nd
FG Pct
43.1
196th / 12th
Defensive Averages:
Points
65.7
110th / 7th
Assists
10.9
36th / 4th
Rebounds
31.4
35th / 2nd
FG Pct
42.2
127th / 12th

Player Updates

Jacob Pullen continues to be the one go to player for the Wildcats as he scored the game winner against Iowa State in Ames and actually knocked down a three pointer that would have sent the Colorado game to overtime however Frank Martin had just a second earlier called a timeout. 

Obviously since these two teams last met the biggest difference on the roster for Kansas State is the departure of Wally Judge.  Judge played substantial minutes in Lawrence before departing Manhattan for greener pastures.  That leaves an interior of Jamar Samuels, Jordan Henriquez Roberts and the gift that keeps on giving, Curtis Kelly. 

Prediction Time

I really believe this one is going to be a tough one.  Kansas State is backed up against a wall and in that situation, with their home crowd behind them; you'd expect them to put up a fight.

Jacob Pullen, Rodney McGruder and Jamar Samuels need to have big games.  Curtis Kelly needs to be a presence on some level and for my money Will Spradling is going to have to find a way to be the Wildcat version of Brady Morningstar for Kansas State to get a win.

Kansas is still down two with both Josh Selby and now Thomas Robinson not expected to play.  That helps the Wildcat cause.  Kansas needs the Morris twins to assert themselves while getting a key contribution off the bench or from one of the Kansans to feel comfortable in this one.  The Jayhawks have been steamrolling through since the loss to Texas.  Now it's time to see how they respond as either the #1 team or the team that was passed over as the #1 team in the polls. 



PPGFG%FT%3P%RPGORPGDRPGAPGTPGSPGBPGFPG
Kansas KU 83.9 52.3 66.9 39.1 39.0 11.4 27.6 18.6 13.3 8.5 4.6 17.2
Kansas-state K-State 72.8 43.1 61.3 36.7 39.2 15.8 23.4 14.1 15.4 6.1 4.6 20.8
Kansas KU Opponents 64.0 38.8 70.8 29.8 31.5 11.1 20.4 11.1 15.2 5.8 2.8 19.6
Kansas-state K-State Opponents 65.7 42.2 69.4 35.3 31.4 10.1 21.3 10.9 16.3 6.9 3.0 22.0

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Think this will likely be a battle.

I’m a little scared that KSU will pull us down to their level and make the game look as if it’s being played in mud.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Feb 14, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

We need to come out and dictate the tempo and the terms. Period.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 14, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this a game

where Mario Little will need to step up and be huge off the bench?

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Probably.

I could definitely see a little foul trouble for the Morri. If that happens, we’ll need someone to do the scoring.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Feb 14, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I said this before we played em last time, and I'll say it again

K-State simply DOES NOT score against us. Look at the last several games. They just don’t.

Its all about our offense. If our offense struggles, its close (game in Manhattan last year). If our offense flourishes, its a blowout (game in Lawrence last year and this year).

If our offense is average or better, we win by at least 10

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Feb 14, 2011 2:36 PM CST reply actions  

You know it started as sarcasm with your predictions...throwing out the GTech score or something random...

and it’s slowly shifted to logical and simple arguments as to why we win.

I like it and once again you’ve put me at ease.

Questions, Comments? email me at denverjhawk@hotmail.com

by Owen on Feb 14, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I'm growing up

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Feb 14, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

If we score 75+ we win easy. KState’s only shot is to make this an ugly, ugly game. They succeeded in doing that at Colorado and nearly won. They will have to somehow do the same to have any chance to win this one.

Marty

by MartyR on Feb 14, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

75 probably won't be that many points

our last game vs. them was 73 possessions. I imagine it will be a bit slower in Manhattan though

by fetch9 on Feb 14, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Eamonn Brennan nails it with this game tonight.

Here

Which is to say, Kansas State needs this win. Badly. The Wildcats won’t get a better chance to notch a huge résumé-boosting victory the rest of the season. (a Feb. 26 home date with Missouri is looking ripe for the picking, but the Tigers aren’t exactly the Jayhawks when it comes to “signature win” prestige.) They’ll have the benefit of a raucous home environment in the Octagon of Doom. They’ll have their hated dominant rivals on the other side. They’ll have their defense — the one non-rebounding area of this team that hasn’t been a total letdown — primed for the unique challenge presented by KU’s nigh-unstoppable array of capable guards and versatile forwards.

And, perhaps most importantly, they’ll have the benefit of knowing this is it. This is the game. If ever there was a time to wholly reverse this disappointing, distraction-prone season, this is it. If ever there was a time for Jacob Pullen to will his team to a win (not to mention avoid his nightmare NIT scenario), this is it. If ever there was a time to announce that the preseason Big 12 title pick and nationally ranked top-five team isn’t dead yet, this is it.

The intelligent hoops observer still likes Kansas to win here. Even without Josh Selby and Thomas Robinson, this Jayhawks team is still very good, and Kansas State has been so comprehensively ugly on offense this season that it’s hard to see them getting anything easy against Kansas’ consistent D. But the pressure will be on. Frank Martin’s entire reputation is suddenly on the line. His team is backed into a corner. These Wildcats are wildly desperate.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Feb 14, 2011 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

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