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Setting The Table For Kansas Football Recruiting In 2012

The 2011 football recruiting class just hit the books and Turner Gill and his staff delivered on a large class with what looks to be some solid talent.  Kansas signed players from 11 states, 27 to scholarships and even added a pair of walk-ons including the most recent addition of Rockhurst offensive lineman Cooper Kerns.  Kansas still has one offer on the table and that is for a long snapper who is set to visit this weekend with a decision coming shortly thereafter. 

Once that final scholarship offer is either used or carried over, the table is set temporarily for 2012.  I use the phrase temporarily because this is an 85 man roster and anytime you have that many people there are bound to be changes.  Those changes can come in many forms but as we saw this year with a handful of players, sometimes change is necessary. 

For now though we'll assume what we have is what we'll have and take a quick glance at what Turner Gill and his staff have to work with as they hit the recruiting trail for 2012.

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Division 1 college football sets the scholarship limit at 85.  Roster limit is set at 105 which is where players like Malcolm Walker and Cooper Kerns fit in and having the ability to add those types of players to your roster is huge.  But in all reality when coaches are out recruiting they have 85 spots to fill.  

Kansas scholarship situation headed into spring breaks out as follows:

FR: 26     RSFR: 14     SO: 19     JR: 14     SR: 11

Total: 84 (with 1 spot left if the longsnapper takes it)

The senior class is comprised of the following players/positions:

Isiah Barfield - CB     Tim Biere - TE     Anthony Davis - CB     Pat Dorsey - DT     Richard Johnson - DT    

Jeremiah Hatch - C     Steven Johnson - LB     Rell Lewis - RB     Quinn Mecham - QB     Daymond Patterson - WR

AJ Steward - UT

 

Kansas already has a grayshirt commitment at the tight end position in Brandon Olson.  That leaves 10 spots at the most conservative level, but in all reality that number is likely to change and increase.  But with 10 spots in mind what are the top priorities?

Quarterback

The staff values the position, at this exact moment the staff doesn't have the "answer" at the position and Kansas will continue to recruit competition at this position.

Defensive End

Outside in philosophy and there is already an offer on the table for a high profile end out of Wichita in Trace Clark.

Defensive Tackle

Turner Gill can talk outside in all he wants but we're losing two at the position and based on the fact that we were still heavily recruiting two down to the wire this year, one would think we'll look to the position next year.

Offensive Line 

It's a position should consistently be recruited.  The numbers were extraordinarily high a year ago in order to play catchup but this is a spot that you expect to be a continue priority.

WR/DB

If you think recruiting speed was a one year thing for coach Gill you clearly haven't been listening.  Athletes and speed are going to on the agenda in some form whether it's WR/DB or RB.  One would think RB might not be as high on the priority list next year but it all depends on what's out there. 

WHO YOU GOT!

If I'm filling 10 knowing only what we know today I'll go:

QB - 1     OL - 3     DL/DE - 3     DB - 1     WR - 1     LB - 1    

I'm guessing we end up in the 13-16 range when it's all said and done.  No inside knowledge, but things can and do change.  Thoughts? 

 

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I think that's a good breakdown.

Personally, I think it’s a bit heavy on the OL side. I’d take 2 and then add an extra LB. But as you said, we’re likely to have more scholarships available.

Amazing how young the team is: 40/85 scholarships held by FR or RSFR.

I knew it was young, but until I saw it on the screen it didn’t sink in. Young kids make mistakes. We’re in for some rough seasons.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 10, 2011 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

Yep...

Mango had some bad luck with players panning out and sticking around for a couple of classes and we’re somewhat building from the ground up in terms of depth because of that. We still have some decent talent at the top, but we don’t have any experienced depth and that hurt. It’s also something you dont’ build overnight. Gill will surely have defections and flops as well, but hopefully he has less and hopefully we can get some stability building within the program.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

As to the OL...

You could be right, especially with Kerns coming in as a walk on with the current class. Probably depends what the staff sees from the group coming in and how confident they are about things. It’s similar to WR last year. Headed in I don’t think anyone expected us to sign 1 let alone 2 wideouts, but I think maybe the staff saw the need for speed and added two, then moving Pick provides a smart player who was the best blocker at the position from day one it looked like.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with Rivet on the OL, though this is right, too
Probably depends what the staff sees from the group coming in and how confident they are about things

Also not like they’ll pass up a stud if he likes KU/Gill.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 10, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

If half the OL play this year

then it essentially splits the 6/7 across 2 seasons. Get a stud that wil be ready from go, then you essentially have 2 four-man OL classes.

by dagger108 on Feb 12, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Couple of things . . .

1. Didn’t Rell Lewis sit out the entire 2010 season with an injury? If so, he’d still have two years left.

2. I think we need more running backs. I assume we’ll sign at least four to five more.

by ISellDrugs on Feb 10, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Oh and btw . . .

I love all this football talk during the offseason. It seems like there’s been a little more this year than in the past.

by ISellDrugs on Feb 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Offseason?

I thought the football season was 365, since we are a football school and all.

by hawkinwihita on Feb 10, 2011 3:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rell

took a redshirt his first year. He can apply for a medical one after next season if he wants, but at this point he’ll be a senior eligibility wise.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, ok.

And if he doesn’t play next year (I’m assuming he’ll play very little), then there’s no point in doing the medical redshirt.

by ISellDrugs on Feb 10, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it up to Rell on whether to do the medical redshirt?

I would assume that the coaches would like to use the scholarship on someone else if he’s not contributing much during his fifth year in the program.

by ISellDrugs on Feb 10, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

one would think it would likely be a mutual decision

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Has Rell not recovered?

Rell Lewis was one of our fastest backs before injury. If speed is truly what Coach Gill covets, Lewis should find plenty of playing time assuming he fully recovers from injury.

Wasn’t he returning kicks at one point too?

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 10, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah everyone kinda forgets about him...

But he was set to get a lot of PT last year before getting hurt, he really impressed the coaches in camp. Hes shown flashes before… maybe he has a little bit left and can contribute in some way this season

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Feb 10, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

With those kinds of numbers...

making up an entire class, you really can’t have but a couple of “misses”,

Do you see Gill being even more selective this year, identifying a smaller group and working them really hard?

The DL is still a big concern to me. There has been a lot of talk about “growing” DEs into DTs, but if its not a quality DT, what’s the point? That fact that we missed on our targeted DTs shows me the staff believes there’s a need, we just struck out this year.

by Red Lion on Feb 10, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

I'm sure we're going to be very selective this year....

Just as you saw Missouri do in last years class due to their small #‘s, Kansas will be selective in terms of position and talent. Some of the guys that saw early offers last year, probably wouldn’t if it was this year.

There are already a few offers out for ends/DT’s and OL’s so I think it’s clear those are going to be in the mix and a priority. Also a few quarterback names have been floated out there.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Feb 10, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You seem to assume it's not quality.

When Julius and Kevn put on another 30 lbs this spring/summer, and start the season as super-quick DT’s just short of 300, it will be the foundation of a very fast D.

The last time we went to the Aloha Bowl and played UCLA, the anouncers started the game talking about how the “light” DL was likely to get pshed around by the big, bad, bruins. By the end of the game they were talking about the “long” DL getting their hands up and blocking passes. With speed coming off the edge, it could open up the middle for the DT’s to use their DE speed.

by dagger108 on Feb 12, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think we need another QB

We got two good ones in this class, plus Webb is only a sophomore. I’d wait till the 2013 class.

I’d take another two OL at least, then recruit the DLine and DB areas hard. I’d like to see this breakdown:

QB: 0
RB: 1 (coaches can’t keep their hands off good RB recruits). I’d like to see us get a real big physical back. We seem to be getting lots of speed types which is cool, but we need a huge ass John Kuhn type who can play FB as well and be a good change of pace hammer/goal line guy
WR: 1-2 (depends on if you can get ballers and possible shot callers)
OL: 2
DL: 4 (including two true big ass MF tackles)
LB: 2-3
DB: 4 (3 corners, 1 safety preferably)

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Feb 10, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

"DL: 4 (including two true big ass MF tackles)"

Typically you only find those big asses in SEC country. And unfortunately, they tend to stay in SEC country.

Maybe we can steal one. But we’ll likely have to settle for a mountain of a kid and then try to fatten his ass up on Taco Johns and the training table.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 10, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Big Ass MF tackles might be the hardest position to recruit.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely

And it will continue to be until we turn into Bama and start putting them into the League on a regular basis.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 10, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if we have one good QB . . .

You’re one injury away from being mediocre again. As much as bad QB play hurt us this year, I think Owen’s right and they’ll sign one more. Of course, the staff will have a better feel for how Berglund will fit into the mix after spring practice. Even then, I bet we’ll sign another QB. A couple of names I’ve heard mentioned are Bilal Marshall (who already has an offer) and Tyler Matthews.

Also, I had said we’d sign more running backs in an earlier comment, but I was 100% joking. The only way I see us signing a running back, is if we intend for him to go to another position (like Jake Love Ben Heeney this year).

by ISellDrugs on Feb 10, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

be nice to get Matthews

so we can start grabbing some of the top Kansas kids. It would definitely make recruiting a lot easier down the road.

by fetch9 on Feb 10, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Matthews might be...

a little more of a traditional pocket passer than what we’re going for so I’m not sure he’ll be the first to snag an offer. The staff is going to go after in state guys, but they are making sure they are a fit as well.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

oh is he

my lack of recruiting knowledge hurt me on that one

by fetch9 on Feb 10, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Almost all these guys are pretty new...

at this point so it’s completely understandable.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This

Anyone who paid attention to KU football in 2004 and 2005 knows how fast you can go from Adam Barmann to Jonas Weatherbie (with Brian Luke and Jon Neilsen in between).

With QB being the most important position on the field, I think it’s prudent that the staff recruit at least one every year.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 10, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

I loved Todd Reesing when he was playing, and it wasn’t until he was gone that I figured out I didn’t appreciate him enough.

by Red Lion on Feb 10, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing to be prepared for

next year’s class may not rank as high as this class just simply due to the small class size. Don’t anybody need be freaking out about that if it happens.

The thing that impressed me the most about this class wasn’t the high rank….it was the focus on filling the needs. Other than DT, Coach Gill and staff did fantastic. I expect next year’s class to be no different and that won’t necessarily get any credit in the ranking.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Feb 10, 2011 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

When we sign ten 4* recruits . . .

We’ll actually be ranked even higher than this year. BELIEVE Rivet.

by ISellDrugs on Feb 10, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I just did a double take
Coach Gill and staff did fantastic

You’ve come a long way, Rivet

by PenguinHawk on Feb 10, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What about TEs - didn't Gill say they expected to use them a lot, even 2 TE sets?

I can’t seem to remember exactly who’s on the roster, but it seems like they would really go for a run-blocking type of TE that isn’t currently in the system. Maybe a guy similar to Hawkinson who could move to LT if he outgrows TE.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 10, 2011 6:37 PM CST reply actions  

Brandon Olson...

is grayshirting so he’ll come in at semester and be the TE in this class. He’s exactly what you’re describing in that he could grow into the o-line although his home would probably be at guard since he’s currently 6’4" 230.

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by Owen on Feb 10, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

cool

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 11, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's what I think

QB – 1
OL – 3
DL – 4 including a tackle or two
CB – 2

TE – Already have one

I think we need to focus on the lines the most. Games are won and lost in the trenches. A good line can mask weaknesses at other positions.

by Rolo on Feb 11, 2011 10:03 AM CST reply actions  

West Mesquite,Tx 2012 Safety-LB Alex Reason,2013 RB/WR Raashaan Reason

West Mesquite High School’s Reason Brothers Alex and Raashaan are the truth.These boys can flat out play.I see why Alex is one of the top 2012 football prospects in the country and Raashaan is one of the top 2013 football and track prospects in the country.Major D-1 talent in those two.

by wrangler warrior on Mar 24, 2011 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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