Fact Checking Bill Self On The Kansas Transition Game
Before the Border War on Monday, Bill Self was quoted in a KCStar article as saying:
I’ll tell you where we’re a really poor team is in transition. We botch up more two-on-ones or three-on-twos than any team around. We’ve gotta get better at that, because those are the easiest scoring opportunities. You get five of those a game, you gotta come away with 10 points. We’ve come away with two or four.
The quote really caught my eye because after reading a post at Audacity of Hoops about time of possession stats and a seeing a comment from sax solo stating the same thing as HCBS, I had already started working on something that looked at this exact problem.
As we've seen all year, this team loves the highlight dunks on breakaways. At the same time the Jayhawks have to lead the nation in botched alley-oops. Combine that with guards who aren't great at finishing around the basket and you've got a problem with finishing in transition.
In an attempt to break down the fast break game, Let's look at a summary of play by play logs from each conference game. If a play in the game log was less than 8 seconds, it's considered a transition opportunity. The result of each play was recorded as either a score or turnover. Before you ask "why 8 seconds", I'll just say it seemed like a long enough time to allow a basket off a delay break but anything longer and the defense should be set. Fair enough?
A quick look at the total number of possessions for each game and the number of transition opportunities. No real surprises here, in theory you'd see overmatched teams allow more transition opportunities. Those teams will have a higher turnover rate on offense and not be as quick getting back on defense.
Now what about the results of these opportunities and does Bill Self really know what he's talking about?
| Total Points | Transition Points | Game PPP | Transition PPP | Difference | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Iowa State | 84 | 7 | 1.04 | 0.39 | -0.65 |
| Nebraska | 63 | 15 | 0.98 | 1.07 | 0.09 |
| Baylor | 85 | 12 | 1.35 | 0.92 | -0.43 |
| Texas | 63 | 4 | 0.88 | 0.40 | -0.48 |
| Colorado | 82 | 8 | 1.26 | 0.80 | -0.46 |
| Kansas State | 90 | 14 | 1.23 | 0.88 | -0.36 |
| Texas Tech | 88 | 11 | 1.26 | 0.65 | -0.61 |
| Nebraska | 86 | 21 | 1.25 | 1.62 | 0.37 |
| Mizzou | 103 | 20 | 1.45 | 1.43 | -0.02 |
The scoring was pretty bad in 6 of the first 7 games of conference play. Iowa State and Texas being by far the worst. Nebraska being the only game of the first 7 where the Jayhawks scored better in transition than in the game. Makes sense, Nebraska plays good halfcourt defense so quick looks will likely be better than looks after they get set. Notice a change in the transition PPP over the last two games? The article quoting HCBS came out Sunday morning, perhaps this provided a talking point every day last week in practice?
| Total TO's |
TransitionTO's | % of Total | Game TO% | Transition TO% | Difference | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Iowa State | 16 | 9 | 56 | 19.8 | 50 | 30.2 |
| Nebraska | 15 | 4 | 27 | 23.4 | 29 | 5.6 |
| Baylor | 14 | 4 | 29 | 22.2 | 31 | 8.8 |
| Texas | 12 | 4 | 33 | 16.7 | 40 | 23.3 |
| Colorado | 12 | 1 | 8 | 18.5 | 10 | -8.5 |
| Kansas State | 14 | 4 | 29 | 19.2 | 25 | 5.8 |
| Texas Tech | 6 | 1 | 17 | 8.6 | 6 | -2.6 |
| Nebraska | 12 | 2 | 17 | 17.4 | 15 | -2.4 |
| Mizzou | 12 | 3 | 25 | 16.9 | 21 | 4.1 |
Looking at the turnovers in transition really finishes the picture. Look at the Iowa State game for a picture that resembles one my students would draw. The other thing noticeable here is that turnovers aren't the only thing that is draining the transition scoring. As the points chart shows, the team was scoring about .5 points less per possession in transition but turnovers have only been a huge problem in a few of the games. The coaching staff might have finally gotten through to this team that it's ok to get a steal and then run offense. The result of every steal doesn't have to be a layup or dunk.
No surprise, Bill Self probably does know what he's talking about. And yes, he's being honest with his analysis of his teams transition game that he's shared with us and the media.
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It would be interesting
to look at this having looked at the tape of games, since apparently we only had 3 transition points v. Missouri.
I always think we should play fast considering we’re usually the better team than who we play but this is an interesting point against that
Yeah, I've heard the "4 fastbreak points against Missouri" thing, too.
Obviously, by my standards that isn’t true.
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Did you exclude 3pt shots?
To my mind, there’s no such thing as a fast-break 3, but I definitely remember seeing one during the game. At the time I laughed and said that was this team’s version of an effective fast break.
Definitely did.
Anything that happened in the first 8 seconds.
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What the hell was I answering, definitely DID NOT.
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My personal opinion is they go for the too spectacular play too often.
When a simple, unspectacular fast break that ends in a layup would have sufficed, we too often see the team go for behind the back passes, really long passes, or trying to lay it up for a late arriving big man to get a thunderous dunk. That last one makes sense if the defender has committed to the ball, but sometimes we do it when they have not, which makes no sense. Why give up an open layup for a much lower percentage shot?
I also think it depends greatly on which of our players are running the fast break. Some are much better at it than others. I am tempted to name names, but I think I will refrain in order to avoid touching off more hate threads on the players.
Marty
Well, one thing in particular stands out.
The last two games have seen a huge jump in points per transition attempt. Coincidence, coaching point that was fixed, or personnel? I have no idea but personnel’s likely a part.
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I'm not a big believer in coincidence.
If Bill Self was talking about it publicly, I am sure they were working on it in practice. And your personnel supposition makes pretty good sense to me as well.
Marty
Could you lower it to 6 seconds very easily?
Don’t sweat it if you have to re-populate the whole thing. Just wondered if as the time got shorter, the effectiveness went up, down, or neither.
Good stuff, btw.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 10, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions
I'd have to go through it again and that's also the reason I don't have a player breakdown (didn't think of it until I was doing the tables)
Going from what I remember while doing it, it’d go down. A lot of the TO’s were two and three seconds after a defensive rebound or steal.
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ESPN and cross-checked a few weird instances with statsheet
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Hasn't he done enough? Sheesh. DO it your self!
#representyourcity
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Feb 10, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Also should have pointed out that I only used the 8 seconds if there was continuous action.
A possession after a timeout wasn’t counted in any of these. So we’re looking at only possessions that start on a rebound or turnover. That’s part of the reason I think 8 seconds is a safe cutoff point. A defense is still recovering up to that point in the possession, which I’ve somewhat affirmed with the eyeball test tonight watching random games. Teams are starting their offense around the 27-30 mark and I did want to include a secondary break opportunity while the defense was still in transition.
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Forgot to say this was a great post.
My working theory was that some of our guards (like EJ) looked too much for the fast break, and didn’t hang around on defense after a shot to get rebounds and block out their man and so forth. And even when we got the rebound and would look to outlet, the guards would be too far down court or moving too fast… Trying too hard to get opportunities to dunk on an open basket.

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