Turner Gill Fired As Kansas Head Football Coach
by Owen on Nov 27, 2011 6:19 PM CST
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PrintYes it is official, Turner Gill was fired as the Kansas head football coach with the decision being announced by the University in a press release from the athletic department. This news has been expected for several weeks now as the Jayhawks have finished with just five wins during Gill's brief two year tenure and unfortunately the Jayhawks have rarely been competitive in Gill's 19 losses. It was that inability to field a competitive product in the Big 12 conference that ultimately made this a necessary decision despite the thought of this happening after year two being fairly far fetched at the beginning of the season.
"After a thorough evaluation of our football program," Zenger said, "I have concluded that new leadership is necessary to place us on the path toward competing for championships in the Big 12 Conference. I come to this conclusion reluctantly, because I have the utmost respect for Turner Gill as a quality individual who wants only the best for the young men he coaches."
After a fourteen hour drive today I really expected to walk in the door to this news and while it's needed and expected it is, just as Zenger references, a bit disappointing in some ways. The best thing for Kansas football would have been for Turner Gill to succeed. He is a quality person, he seems to have great values and he appeared to be a very likable personality on the recruiting trail. Plus, Any time you start over you don't necessarily improve and sometimes it's just another step back. Obviously we all hope that isn't the case here and Kansas is about as far back as it gets so one would hope there is improvement. Either way the lack of competitiveness under Gill makes it a necessity.
What's crazy to think is that at the beginning of this season Gill had a very forgiving fanbase holding him to fairly low expectations. It wasn't about wins and losses, heck the two wins probably would have been fine had Kansas been competitive and competent in every game. But the reality is that if they had been competitive and competent for four quarters every Saturday, Kansas would have won more ball games. It was a bad situation and a poorly managed program and change looked inevitable for several weeks now.
Time to turn the page and start looking toward the future. Zenger has a big hire to make and it provides his first chance to make his mark on the Kansas athletic department. He has to find a way to sell hope once again, just two years after we all sat and listened to Turner Gill and Lew Perkins sell one GIANT helping of hope only to deliver very little in the way of results.
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ive already said most of what I need to
But it sucks because he is such a nice and likeable guy. I don’t have any doubt that it needed to be done though. I’m just glad I’m not the one who had to tell him
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by fetch9 on Nov 27, 2011 6:24 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I was pretty excited after his first press conference.
But the substance never showed up. Time for Zenger to earn his paycheck.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I've got a post in the works about the expectations with GIll
As I write it, the more I realize that there were huge signs from the start that he was in over his head and had no idea what he was doing. We just kept turning a blind eye to it, saying he was “new” or “still learning” or “improving” but the warning signs were there early and incredibly often.
If you made a top ten worst BCS level coaches in history, Gill is in it. No doubt in my mind. Actually, he’s got to be flirting with the top 5.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Glad you agree.
Most Nebraska fans are too delusional to look at this with a level head to see just how awful of a head coach Turner Gill actually was.
by ISellDrugs on Nov 27, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, it's the Kansas fans who are delusional...
Kansas firing Turner Gill after two years would be akin to Nebraska firing Doc Sadler after his first two years as Nebraska’s basketball coach.
Kansas may be starting a coaching churn that is going to be difficult to break out of.
by Husker Mike on Nov 27, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
well
1. doc sadler did a lot a lot a lot better in his first two years than gill did in his and
2. kansas football is coming off a recent orange bowl win. not saying they should be in a bcs bowl every year but it is at least possible. nebraska basketball has done…..what exactly?
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And Cookie "Kickin" Miller!
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by Andrew Clark on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
and lance jeter
but i get the sense i’m the only person who loved him
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Ha!
There’s an argument to be made for keeping Gill, but it in no way parallels Doc Sadler. This coming from the school that ran Frank Solich out of town.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 8:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's pretty rich that a Nebraska fan is here telling us that we're delusional.
You guys fired a coach that was above .500 and nobody really questioned the decision, yet we’re supposed to live with a coach that was 5-19 and 1-16 in conference?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
by Warden11 on Nov 28, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Don't forget canning Solich after like a 10-2 season
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 28, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Is anybody going to do a series of "Meet our potential new head coach" articles?
I see a bunch of people stuck on Leach, and a few other names thrown about, but I would like to know a little bit more about some of the other candidates. Just curious.
If so, my list of candidate names I seem to remember being thrown out so far:
Leach
Fulmer
Mark Stoops
Sumlin
Fedora
Tressel (Ha!)
Meyers (Ha! Ha!)
I know I’m missing a bunch, but hopefully others reply to this and add names.
yep...
I’ll do my best to run through these again like we did last time. Some of them are repeats so I should be able to make a quick modification or two since Gill has only been here two years : )
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I believe Fetch did one a couple weeks ago
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Paterno is unemployed
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Nov 27, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Mr. "Success with Honor"
is also the biggest hypocrite on the planet…..well next to some politicians.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
I really hope its Leach
but it would be ironic that we get rid of Mangino and pick up Leach who was fired for pretty much the same thing.
To bad for Gill, he seemed like a nice guy but to have teams that woefully unprepared to play is nearly criminal. Just sucks we have had to pay out so much to get rid of 2 coaches within a couple years.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
I'm not saying Leach was a nice guy (since I never got that impression from him),
but it’s difficult to assess what really happened at TTech given that ESPN seemed to be spearheading the investigation there, and with the very obvious conflict of interest with one of its employees.
I believe in second chances (well, in most cases.. not for Dave Bliss or Jerry Sandusky like situations), and would be okay with considering Leach.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Nov 27, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed...
I’m ok with it not being Leach, but I have to really be convinced that there’s a better candidate.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 27, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Leach, but I think I'm not as high on him as most here
I like him, but I think other candidates might be a little more intriguing, if not just as intriguing. I think a guy like Fulmer should REALLY be given consideration.
Last time, he came in with a great presentation and really impressed. That shows me he is hungry to get back in the game, and passionate about the opportunity to coach at Kansas. When I heard about that, he earned my respect.
Plus, you avoid any player abuse stuff (no matter how B.S. it is) and you get a guy who won for years in the SEC and has a national championship.
Now age is a concern, but if you get several good years out of him its a slam dunk. I think at the very least, he deserves a lot of consideration and should be contacted.
Also, I’m pissed we never considered Rich Rod. Arizona was very proactive, ditched their dead man walking coach and got him. I thought he would have been great for KU, and Arizona should get credit for jumping the gun with its lame duck coach.
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by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ok
Now age is a concern
I get what you’re saying but don’t think age should be a concern. KU isn’t a destination job so we need to take the best we can get.
Also, I’m pissed we never considered Rich Rod
As unfortunate as it is, U of A is a better job than KU right now. If for conference security alone.
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There's no reason
There’s no reason why Fulmer couldn’t’ coach for 9 more years (putting him at 70) and groom someone to replace him.
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I'm not near as high on Leach as most either.
His teams had no defense and relied on a gimmick offense. Now maybe he could bring that same system here and be moderately successful, but he likely would not be able to recruit as well here, and it would be more gimmicks.
The other half of it is I’d really just love a normal football coach. Maybe even a defense guy! I’d much rather an up-and-comer like baby Stoops or an established D guy like Fulmer if we could get him. I think this roster has some talent, and could be respectable sooner than later with the right coach.
I don't know about the recruiting.
Think it’s harder to get kids to Lawrence than it is to Lubbock?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Yes
At least a much, much bigger pool of kids to recruit where “close to home” is an important criterion.
I still like Leach, though.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 28, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
But Lubbock's not "close to home" for kids outside of West Texas and Abilene.
It’s still 5 1/2 hours to Dallas.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
good point
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Lubbock would seem harder to recruit to
Very Western Texas, while KU is just a few more hours drive down 1-35 or an hour flight.
Throw in Lawrence is about 20,986 times more entertaining and fun than Lubbock, KC being close by… you get me point.
Someone with great Texas pipelines would seem to be able to take advantage of KU’s situation. You can still get Texas and Oklahoma talent but also take advantage of the KC and Missouri circuit, both of which have produced a good amount of talent.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 28, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Fulmer had a dreadful track record...
With off-the-field behavior by players. Does that matter? It does to me.
R.I.P. DOM
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 27, 2011 9:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not familiar with this, hopefully it's put in perspective in the summary articles.
If it really was bad, then no. But it depends on how bad it was I guess. Lawrence is a place that I feel like minimizes some of these concerns, a little more difficult to get in trouble.
Still, depends how bad it was.
by play4'ships on Nov 27, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
He was coaching in Knoxville
Certainly not a spot where trouble finds you.
It's not a coincidence
The Fulmer Cup is a tongue-in-cheek award given each year in the United States to the Division I FBS college football program whose players collectively have the worst criminal record.
Mizzoo almost won this national championship a few years ago.
Almost.
So mizzoo.
by dagger108 on Nov 28, 2011 2:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm, I didn't know that.
Definitely a negative then, but possibly something that could be addressed? Either way, I still want him on a first cut list. This may be too much to hire him though, if he were even interested.
He was definitely
interested last time. Lobbied on the radio for the job.
The thing Leach brings
is instant fan support. That really can’t be overestimated at this point. No other coach (besides Urban Meyer) could immediately bring the fans back and chances are they’d be rewarded with at least an entertaining brand of football. Which isn’t a bad thing during the building years.
I agree, but
Don’t discount a coach with a national title, and someone who was a big name for years in the SEC. It might not be as sexy as Leach, but fans will respond to that (more so than say hiring Fedora or Stoops).
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Never really understood
what went down in Knoxville. I can’t imagine they coach a guy that literally had 2 subpar years in 16.
10 or more wins: 9
9: 2
8: 3
<8: 2
Seems like the football gods are paying them back for their error in judgement though I’m sure they’ll be back. So yeah, to sum it up, I’d take Fulmer.
Mangino's allegations were more "proven"
From the standpoint of we saw pictures of a players burnt hand, guys admitted stuff to the media about the verbal allegations, etc. There were several.
The Leach situation stemmed around ONE player, a player we later learned is a cry-baby trust fund kid whos daddy works for ESPN.
Comparing the two, especially given the multiple accounts vs. one account standpoint, from that standpoint I’d say Leach getting a job at KU wouldn’t be that crazy. I think Leach is a lot less risky than Leavitt, based on the standpoint of the allegations against them.
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by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
either way...
both were witch hunts. I still remember people saying to me that we were crazy to think we could do better than Mangino and in my mind I’m saying…“I never thought that, our AD went out and found a reason to fire him and now we’re stuck”
I know we went 5-7 that last year, but without the unraveling due to the abuse stuff being leaked and the investigation I don’t think ANYONE thought he should have been fired. It is what it is, probably had to be done. I just think it’s sad that pretty much everyone called it from the get go.
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I agree with you
But KU still needs to tread carefully. Don’t go on the other end of the spectrum and get a cheerleader like Gill… but keep in mind that the “player abuse” thing impacts recruiting, booster and fan support, etc and it IS something just to consider, at the very least.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure "witch hunt" is the right term to use with Mangino
It implies that nothing was wrong and he was fired for some sort of imaginary misdeeds. Unless you really believe that’s the case.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 27, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
But
Leach is suing his former employer. That’s an extremely dangerous precedent. What if Leach doesn’t work out at KU? Then we’d have to worry about a lawsuit just for firing the guy. I don’t think that’s worth it.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
He has a reason to sue his former employer though
He got screwed. If he fails to win games here, he’ll get fired for the same reason Turner Gill got fired.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
So
lots of people get screwed. That’s life. Doesn’t mean you head straight for the courthouse. I honestly believe he’d already be employed right now if not for that baggage.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Millions of dollars
would send me straight towards the courthouse.
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If what happened to him happened to me
And I had done a good job at the same company/school for several years and my AD just threw me to the wolves instantly… yeah I’d sue too. I’d sue like crazy
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Most coaches & AD's settle out of court
sort of like $3M to MM, and that’s not at all uncommon. My guess is that he wouldn’t have sued even if they had given him his longevity pay – $800k, due within a week of his firing?
the $800k was due the day after he was fired
And a FOIA request turned up emails pre-James incident coming to light that there was a plan in place to fire him on the day they did to avoid that $800,000.
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Yeah
if in 10 years Leach averages 8.4 wins per year and we fire him for being mean to an ESPN announcer’s spoiled son and he sues us for lack of cause I’m OK with that whole situation.
by bigreed on Nov 27, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
He is suing his former employer because they did not give him due process.
The Chancellor did not follow the policy set forth by the university and approved by the Board of Regents to release someone from their contract. This is an indisputable fact found in the discovery phase of the lawsuit. Tech’s legal team (inside attorneys) have testified to this fact.
Not only that, but the only defense that Tech offered to dispute Leach’s claims is a thing known as sovereign immunity. In Texas, no one can sue the state without the state’s permission. Tech will not give him that permission and the legislature (which also has the authority to grant permission) will not meet again until January of 2013. That’s right … based on English common law back with the royal family meant something … the state of Texas adopted sovereign immunity early on in its statehood. Essentially, if the state doesn’t want to honor a contract, there is nothing the injured can do to be compensated.
There are three very bad apples in power at Tech: the Chancellor, who is a washed up, vindictive politician … look his bio. His highest academic is a J.D. and prior to his appointment as Chancellor he had no prior experience in higher ed administration though he did teach at our law school about 40 years ago for a short period.
The other two bad apples two Board of Regents. According to Tech policy the Chancellor and the Board of Regents have zero authority in firing an employee outside of the President. The emails discovered during the depositions demonstrate that they were the central characters in the firing of Leach. The President, the Athletic Director, and the General Counsel of the University wanted to reprimand him and stick some letter in his file. The General Counsel and the President of the University told Leach he was not legally obligated to sign the letter, but Hance insisted that he sign a letter admitting to something that he did not do. If you would like to pursue it further, all of this is public record.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 27, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Leach is also suing ESPN right?
Anyone else worried about being black balled by ESPN if we hire Leach? I know Fox Sports carries Big 12 games, but ESPN still shows a lot of games and I’d hate to be shut out of those opportunities because of bad blood with our coach. That’s not going to help recruiting.
that's what i was afraid of a bit
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Yes. For defamation. How ESPN covered the Leach fiasco was a travesty. The Ombusman at ESPN said as much ...
when ESPN covered the Alamo Bowl during the height of the drama. He also said that he didn’t have time to research the entire scope of ESPN’s coverage, but said in so many words that it wouldn’t surprise him if ESPN’s coverage was just as tainted. It was a drive by media job at its worst.
The depositions show there was a coordinated attack launched by Craig James who hired Spaeth Communications (the swift boat people), Texas Tech and ESPN. Spaeth suggested Adam video himself in the “closet” (actually the closet is the visitor’s press room at Jones stadium and an adjoining electrical room which the trainer told James specifically not to enter, but he did anyway because he thought taping himself in there would be “funny”. This is all in the depositions). There is an actual email from Spaeth to Tech seeking some additional information to feed Schad before the end of the daily news cycle.
Also when Joe Schad of ESPN broke the story and quoted a couple of teammates back up Adam’s claims, he forgot to mention that one of those players was Adam’s roommate and in continually disciplinary trouble for his immaturity. Schad never reached out to the players who had a good relationship with Leach only the bad ones.
One of the things you must understand about Leach is that he is an honorable man who will never compromise on the truth. It’s one his greatest strengths, but when dealing with politicians it’s his greatest weakness.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 27, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
There's nothing "dangerous" about fighting for your legal rights
…especially when millions of dollars and your reputation are on the line.
R.I.P. DOM
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 27, 2011 9:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Trust me, as a Tech alum, Leach is the one you want.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
When Leach was fired by Tech...
…I started a campaign on BOTC to have him hired to replace Bill Snyder whenever Snyder retired. On that thread, hiphop said something to the effect that he really did not want K-State to get Leach. The fact that an opposing fan didn’t want K-State to get Leach spoke volumes to me.
But now the shoe is on the other foot. And I really don’t want KU to get Leach.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Nov 27, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know there should be no way it happens, but...
is anyone else worried that Houston Nutt lobbies for the job again? I think the administration is smart enough to not hire him but his name out there makes me nervous.
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When compared with the other candidates
Nutt has little that’s positive to point to. He’s good at winning with someone else’s recruits and then overseeing a slow decline. Dr. Zenger is smart enough to see that and look the other way.
by jayhawk1996 on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Was there anything he was actually good at?
I feel like if you break down things coaches in general do, he doesn’t get many passing grades except in personal character I guess.
He was decent at recruiting, people say, but did we really have great incoming guys at the right positions?
Everything else—game decisions, player development, hiring competent guys, fan communication—is like D or F, right?
I'll give him credit for discipline
He didn’t give many chanches. You screw up majorly and he booted you off the team. No questions asked. I kind of liked that.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
There have been a number of 1 game suspensions lately.
Wondering if that is discipline or a lack of it being caught.
Anyone got something strong to go in this koolaid. I need a drink.
Hopefully, there will be something to celebrate soon.
I think
Coach Gill is better suited for smaller conference schools where it’s not all about money and realignment and winning right now. A place where there is less pressure and can still recruit and develop guys character. He did a decent to good job in Buffalo and that may be more of his calling. It’s disappointing to see him fired but it was inevitable and necessary. I wish him the best and know he will land another coaching job soon.
I know there's no chance of this happening,
but I would love having Ed Warriner back in that capacity. I still think he doesn’t receive enough credit for the successes of the late Mangino era.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions
He was lucky to get the ND job that he got.
That was all but Mitch Browning’s job.
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not to fuel the rumor mill too much (but I'm going to fuel the rumor mill)
a charter flight that is the same model as the University jets flew from key west to lawrence tonight
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seems pretty easy...get to the airport...
see who lands. Follow the car wherever it goes and once you see Leach then you tweet the hell out of it : ) Sounds like it’s the only flight scheduled into town tonight.
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sadly it sounds like he wasnt on it
i just got back to town myself so i couldnt get out there
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Apparently the family that was in the jet had some fun with it.
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by PDXJayhawk on Nov 27, 2011 10:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just picked up the Pirate Flight Tracker over at Double T Nation.
He appears to be in Lawrence. Here is your plane on FlightAware.
by Arizona Raider on Nov 27, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew Gill was doomed when I looked at who he hired to be his assistant coaches
At least you got rid of the problem early on.
Just remember, the next time a fan of an opposing school asks, “Why did y’all just hire all the assistant coaches we’ve fired over the years?”, it is time to be concerned.
Personally, I’d go after Sumlin if I were y’all. He runs a wide open offense that is entertaining, and he has ties to Texas, which help in recruiting. He knows the Big 12 from his time at A&M and Oklahoma, and he is young and energetic. He’d be a good fit as y’all try to rebuild your program at Kansas.
I guess it's tough to take Aggie advice seriously...
But seriously, what do you do with Sherman at this point? He has a decent amount of NFL talent on that roster and he just went 6-6…bringing his 4 year record to 25-25.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Let a Packer fan answer that, after watching him "coach" the Packers for years
The guy is not a good coach. He couldn’t break through with some super-talented Packer teams (Favre still near his prime, Ahman Green who was a top 5 running back, a good defense, you name it).
A&M would be wise to dump him and grab someone else. Given their location and now joining the SEC, I know for a fact they could get someone better than Sherman. Shit, they should get Sumlin.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 28, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not...
But is there a possibility we lose any players due to this?
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Nov 27, 2011 10:08 PM CST reply actions
I have a feeling that we likely will with this turnover.
The last go around was the exception not the rule. There is bound to be some turnover.
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talking current guys or recruits?
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"The last go around was the exception not the rule"
You’re referring to recruits in this case yes, because I’m recalling you talking about a half-dozen ’09 players that left before ’10 Spring ball.
Almost no one from the recruiting class defected (Grissom?).
even the amount of players that defected...
was minimal. And those that did were actually shown the door in most cases.
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No one important
A guy like Miller (who has publicly defended and praised Gill) played too much and is too talented to bolt. I highly doubt any good current players leave, remember they are playing for a Big 12 team, a bad one.
So:
1) Its going to be really hard to transfer to another good D1 program.
2) If you transfer, you are looking at going to a smaller program no one has heard of or cares about.
3) A lot of guys are too old to bolt.
NOW throw in our current recruiting class is very small due to our limited number of scholarships and I’m not too worried.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 27, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
in any event
there are like five players who i would be truly upset if they left
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true,
we did go 2-10 after all…
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 27, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly my point
Hell a lot of the time, younger guys like a new staff coming in. New opportunity to prove themselves and get away from a past stigma.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 28, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
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