Kansas Basketball Keys To Beating Kentucky
Tonight in Madison Square Garden Kansas faces off against Kentucky in a matchup against the preseason #2 ranked Wildcats (and the team Ken Pomeroy currently has atop his ratings system). Currently he has Kansas as having a 28% chance to win tomorrow, with a predicted score of 76-69. I am right with him on the chance to win, but the scoreline could be a tad optimistic. Kentucky is extremely young and inexperienced, but this is very possibly the worst Kansas team in a decade.
Still, this is Kansas and it is Bill Self, so a win is not out of the question. Let's take a look at a few things that need to go KU's way tonight:
1. Stay out of foul trouble
Last year Thomas Robinson committed 5.6 fouls per 40 minutes. Because he only played in 31.6% of the team's minutes this was OK, and I thought he would foul a bit less this year given that he would be playing a much larger role on this year's team. But he picked up two quick ones against Towson (we can debate the merits of the foul calls, and I am about 100% sure that at least one wasn't a foul, but the point remains he can't even get in that position). While Kansas could deal with Towson without him (or Withey) on the floor, they won't be able to deal with Kentucky.
Speaking of, I realize it goes against HCBS's philosophy, but if someone picks up 2 quick fouls, please do not leave him on the bench for a long time. A quick rest to get his head straight is fine, but keeping a guy out to keep him from fouling out is counterproductive: yes there is next to no chance he will then foul out in the game's waning minutes, but there is a much greater chance that the game will be decided and put out of reach while that player is on the bench. Hopefully we don't need to learn that lesson tomorrow night.
2. Slow the game down
This has two purposes. For one, Kansas is undoubtedly less talented than Kentucky. The slowing down of the game will allow for there to be fewer possessions in the game and thus a lesser chance for the "proper" outcome to manifest itself. A game with fewer possessions means Kansas has to shoot well (or Kentucky shoot poorly) for a smaller amount of time, and thus more chance of an upset.
Secondly, while Kansas doesn't have a lot of talent back from last year's team, they still have main cogs and people who ran the offense every day in practice last year. Kentucky has Terrence Jones as far as key contributors who are back. Kentucky is far more athletic, but if Kansas can turn it into a game of execution they have a chance.
3. Shoot the three
Kansas shot really well from three despite a 2-7 effort from Elijah Johnson (even if you don't think he is as good of a shooter as I do, he's not a sub 33% shooter), and while a near 50% effort probably won't happen, just remember that shooting 38% from three is equal to shooting 57% from two.
Secondly, I have some serious doubts about KU's rebounding abilities outside of Robinson, and especially against an Anthony Davis (24.8% defensive rebounding rate in the season opener v. Marist) and Terrence Jones (22.5% defensive rebounding rate last year) front line. Shooting a lot of threes allows for some longer rebounds and more offensive rebounds.
Kansas will definitely need some luck to beat the Wildcats tonight, but if they can keep their starters in the game for a large portion of it and turn it into a half court game they'll have a chance. No matter what, we should know a lot more about the team in just a few hours.
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So hyped.
watching the 150-95 beat down in class.
It was much better in person!
I’ll never forget “Downtown” Terry Brown.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Kansas always better as the underdog.....
Proof…..1988 National Championship and 2008 National Championship.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions
I like
the sentiment but we were the #2 overall seed in 08 and #1 in kenpom. Not really the classic underdog.
You sure
I would be almost positive we were 2 behind UNC and ahead of Memphis and UCLA. UCLA and Duke being the last 1 seed?
I also like how Vacated is after all the historic mentions of Memphis’s #1 seed.
I'm with hiphop
It was UNC overall #1, UCLA was #2 of the #1s, Memphis was #3 of the #1s, and we were the #4, #1.
What? A girl who likes sports...INCONCEIVABLE!
not to nitpick
but it was UNC, Memphis, UCLA, Kansas
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
I guess I'm outvoted
but looking at the bracket I still don’t see how Georgetown was the #1 2 seed. Perhaps Texas was and got moved to Memphis’s bracket (which would support ladyjay’s listings). Of course that’s all assuming the committee does things logically which each year I doubt more and more.
that's not really how they do it
But if you want proof I’m sure it’s ok wiki or you can go to the NCAA vault site and see which team wore white for the two semis
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
by fetch9 on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I promise we were...
But if you don’t believe me, go look at the pictures and notice our blue uniforms in both games. Low seed always wears the roadies.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 15, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
White jerseys didn't make the trip to San Antonio
because it was impossible for KU to be the high seed in either game.
I guess I should have provided a roadmap on this.....
I was really only referring to the championship game in each of those years related to the overall seeding.
Bottom line, in both instances KU wore road uniforms as evidence of their overall seeding.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 15, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I hung out with a guy going to dental school in kentucky a few summers ago
he would perform full mouth extractions for extra money on the weekends. He said many kids get a full mouth extraction as a graduation present when they finish high school
Obvious but,
4. Play great defense
5. Score more points than Kentucky.
- I state jokingly, but #4 is going to be important. Frustrate the super talented, but super young Kentucky kids with smothering D and we can win.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
I'll be in the building for this one!
I’ll write up a fanpost about my experience. Looking forward to seeing who has the worst fans…
R.I.P. DOM
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 15, 2011 10:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Same here
At last year’s games at MSG, the Syracuse fans were obnoxious. I expect the Duke fans to carry that torch this year.
I'd expect the UK...
Fans to be the worst. But that’s just my run ins with them. I’m not talking about the UK fans in Kansas that have never been to a game either.
by hawkinwichita on Nov 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe not a key but I'm very interested in seeing how the team looks against top competition.
Still unsure if Teahan can be a productive player on both ends of the court. No idea how the guards will get the offense moving without creating on their own. Releford’s a huge question mark on the wing.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Teehan's feet are SLOW laterally
I’m really worried about this game, mainly because of how quickly T-Rob picked up those two fouls against Towson.
This analysis seems right, though. Force Kentucky into a half court game and make their freshmen run the offense. Pick up our run outs when we can, but be damn sure they’re not getting quick, easy shots.
The poster formerly known as DCJayhawk0208
He's long enough though
to make up for slow feet. See Ryan Robertson. That said, I’m not sure he understands defense half as much as Ryan did.
The thing I want to see tested most is the team's fight and toughness.
Self has already said that this year’s team doesn’t have the killer instinct, which is something he said about last year’s team.
Kentucky’s going to dunk on us, the crowd is going to go crazy. They’re going to make us look bad. Our guys have got to sack up and keep playing through times like that, not freeze up like a deer in the headlights, not try to stupid individual heroics against taller more talented guys, not get abstracted out like it doesn’t matter.
I wanna see our guys play with some resolve and fight and smarts. I’m worried because I feel like I’ve only seen this from the bench players in exhibition games.
Not a reaction like the one we saw in Manhattan last year.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
You don't see T-Rob as a tough player?
I definitely do. I’d put Releford in that category as well, from what I saw of him last year and seen this year. Tyshawn you can debate, but I’d also say he’s of the same mode, especially growing up in Jersey then learning to play at KU with Sherron.
I think you’ll be surprised at how tough those guys are. I think the only way we lose this game is foul trouble. Our starters are more experienced and definitely talented enough to win. We just have to have Ty, EJ, Trav, and T-Rob all play around 35+ minutes, and I believe Self will do that if he can.
by 2.1 seconds left on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
You gotta be more than tough,
you have to channel that toughness into smart, consistent play.
That’s not something I’ve seen from TT, EJ, and Releford. Frankly they seem to space out. TRob doesn’t space out the same way, but he got rattled by Towson. I feel like I’ve seen more from him but he did just get rattled by Towson.
I don't think we've seen near enough of these guys other than Taylor to be able to say one way or the other.
They’re all taking on much larger roles than they’ve been asked to do in college. Of course, I’m more bearish than most right now.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Self says that every year
But your right, its very important how we respond to adversity. The good KU teams would get pissed if someone dunked on them and get fired up and play hard. Young guys… well who knows.
If KU plays calm and collected, it is going to be a close game, win or lose. I think it is as simple as that.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 15, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
At least by now it has trickled in the sports talking heads guys
that KU has passed UNC in all-time wins.
Best scenario ...
… I can imagine is going into the last three minutes down two buckets and the Caliope messing his pants when he realizes he actually needs to coach his team.
RRROOOOCK CHAAAALLLK! JAAAAYYYHAAAAWWWK! KAAAAYYY UUuuuUU!
Keep it quiet, but ...
… having five more wins pales in comparison to having seventy more losses.
RRROOOOCK CHAAAALLLK! JAAAAYYYHAAAAWWWK! KAAAAYYY UUuuuUU!
Guard play!
That’s their weakness and our strength.
It's way too early to call the guard play a strength.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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