RCT Logo Redesign Project: VOTE or Die!
by Owen on Nov 17, 2011 3:04 PM CST
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Remember the vote or die campaign with P.Diddy? That seemed a bit harsh didn't it? What if you are just anti scantron or you didn't have a candidate that you supported? Does P.Diddy really want you to die? I'd like to think not, but he might if you neglect your civic duty when it comes to the new Rock Chalk Talk logo design.
We opened the floor to submissions, we've kicked the tires, critiqued, improved and zeroed in on a few great options. At the top of the page you'll find all five potential designs. Moving left to right we're counting them as 1...2...3...4...and 5. Again that IS LEFT TO RIGHT, ONE THROUGH FIVE. I don't want any Floridian's messing this up.
Now obviously the above examples are a little blurry because of the grouping etc. You can find the full logo in the proper size after the jump. I'll even number them in case there is any confusion. We'll probably push this vote on all week. Or until I'm happy with the result...only kidding. As long as we have some folks voting, we'll keep it going until I feel like at least all the regular readers etc have had a chance to weigh in.
Any questions feel free to email me. Her life is in your hands Dude!
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I have to admit.
I’m already surprised by the voting.
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Really?
Because 1 and 3 stand out as the clear favorites to me. I had always been on the #1 bandwagon, but have to admit that #3 is looking better and better. I’m withholding my vote for the time being.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 14, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I made that comment pretty early on in the voting. At the time...
- was running away with it and #4 was ahead of #2 and tied with #1.
Based on the comments in the thread I thought it would probably go #1 or #3 as the top two and #2 as the next in line. It seems to have trended in that direction now.
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Oh, man, don't say that...
Her life is in your hands Dude!
Did Mr. Lebowski ask you to repeat that?
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well I'll tell you right now that the god damn...
plan is crashing into the mountain. My personal favorite is not winning. I like them all but I had a clear fav in my head and well…this is taking an unexpected turn. I might have to start campaigning.
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i love them all obviously
but so far i am happy with the results of the voting
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
Not me...
My selection is getting killed. I feel like I threw my vote away on a Nader or Bachmann or some other clown.
I guess we could always consider 1st and 2nd round elections
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Thought #2 would be killing it
love that one
by I need more Esteban on Nov 14, 2011 2:14 PM CST reply actions
That eye is a little too creepy for me
I’m happy with the current toss-up between #1 and #3 though I wouldn’t be disappointed with any of the candidates up here. Lots of good choices.
Yep, it's the huge eye that does it for me as well
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
so if the pupil was smaller...
you’d vote for #2?
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Not necessarily
I still like 1 and 3 more but it would creep me out less…
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
I get what you guys are saying
but it’s definitely got the most badass factor…I want Big 12 opponents thinking we’re creepy…..wait, that didn’t come out right
by I need more Esteban on Nov 14, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
I voted for #1 even though I preferred earlier editions.
It was the only one with the celebrated Circus Sans Serif font. Now I’m looking at Trajan pretty much across the board.
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
I mentioned it before and we can look at font...
etc. once we settle on the concept. There were a few renditions of all five of these that were submitted in the initial post. I just sort of had to pick one for voting. Not sure Circus Sans survives though. You can blame Lew for that one.
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Damn you LEW!!!!
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
by labbadabba on Nov 14, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm just curious...
what is it about #1 that people like?
and what is it about #3 that people like?
I guess I’m just curious what people are looking for in their decision making.
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I like
the shadows of the campanile and Fraser in #3
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I think #3 is a wonderfully iconic image of KU
and as such is getting lots of votes. #1 I like because of the way Jhawkr1 first found a good image and kept tweaking it until it became better and better. All of the logos are excellent though. I wouldn’t mind seeing some kind of rotation between them.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 14, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No offense, but I'm not a fan of #1
Too much blue. It needs more crimson. (See Labbadabba’s comment above.)
As for #3, it has fixtures of KU and I think that is the draw to it.
What? A girl who likes sports...INCONCEIVABLE!
I don't like #3 because
The sun is setting on our campus and,
No one besides Jayhawks will recognize those images. I’d like RCT to be readily identifiable to anyone outside of the Jayhawk nation. Even to those hillbillies joining our conference next season.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Perhaps
But nobody besides KU fans will recognize the significance of the other ones either. They’ll see a map of Kansas with a star where Lawrence is. I’d be willing to bet that IF they even identified the map as being of Kansas, people would have no clue what city is being marked. And most would actually assume it’s Kansas City or Topeka.
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plus
not to burst anyone’s bubble, but i don’t think this is read too much by people outside of Jayhawk nation, and certainly not repeatedly
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
You had me at
“they’ll see a map of Kansas”.
For me, that’s good enough. It’s more plausible that people will associate RCT with KU from an outline of the state of Kansas than they would from a silouette of some buildings.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
funny, the same logic led me to pick #3
My thought process was that, based on my own behavior, that someone might see the logo and think, “wow, maybe KU has a cool campus” and then Google it. Sure, it’s the flagship university for the state, but there’s so much more to Lawrence and KU than just being the flagship. I think the logo represents there being more than just the state U.
The poster formerly known as DCJayhawk0208
why thank you
I must say, however, that I was an out-of-state student, so maybe there are some allegiances to the state itself that I just can’t relate to.
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I have no idea what 90% of the names on SBNation mean
Ours is identifiable. Nobody is going to pick the blog based on its logo.
Exactly, #3 doesn't say Kansas at all...
That’s why I was torn between #1 & #4 and ended up going with #4 because I liked the Jayhawk in the background. Would have gone #1 if it was rocking the old school font!
This is personal opinion of course, but I’ve never really liked our campanele. I think it looks like a cold war leftover with a nuclear warhead buried deep inside ready to blast off at the push of a button. Whoever designed it probably also had their hand in the Wescoe design (commence mud slinging…… now.)
I think Wescoe is about 20 years after the Campanile
Remember Wescoe was supposed to be 24 stories tall (tallest building in KS) until the money had to be diverted to rebuilding the Union after it burned down in a Vietnam war protest. The Campanile was built pretty soon after WWII, I believe.
Why does it need to say Kansas
Anyone coming to this blog is doing so for a very specific reason. They’re not going to get here by accident.
As jhawki says below, anyone who has spent time at KU knows the campanile and Fraser. And probably 90% of the people who come to this blog are people who spent time at KU.
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I like No. 3
for the same reasons as Triston27, hunter s. royal and ladyjay78. Campanile and Fraser are a big part of the beauty of Mt. Oread.
I think 1 and 3 are both iconic images of Kansas/KU and that's what I want
I get that people from outside KU might not necessarily recognize #3 and I guess that could be a drawback to building a larger audience (although it hasn’t hurt Rock M Nation).
I actually think the KU sunrise is kinda goofy in #3, but I love that the silhouettes takes me back to KU.
Number one is clearly the best
It is the most sports looking, it has our blue and the wheat is a nice touch and a cool tie to our football and basketball fan traditions.
The third one is not a sports blog logo. It be a cool poster for sure. But the first one is much better suited for this site and context.
Shit happens when you win championships
yes this is a sports blog...
But what do the sports represent? The university. So I see it as not problem at all.
Even though we aren’t Oregon, I think Oregon would disagree that 1 is the most sports looking.
by hawkinwichita on Nov 14, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Forgive me but what am I missing on the Oregon argument?
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Sorry...
Oregon is all about being different and flashy.
by hawkinwichita on Nov 14, 2011 3:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
2, 3, 5, 4, and 1 in that order
I like a little bit of flash, so that’s why.
- Since the beginning I’ve been a fan of a meaner realistic jayhawk, and this is it.
- This one represents the university the best is my opinion.
- Like I said, I like flash and this is an example of it.
- This one seems to be pretty basic to me. Good representation of the colors though.
- I’m sorry this one is just really basic. It doesn’t catch my eye. I think it has too much blue in it. I just wish more was goin on.
To the guys that did 1 and 4, I’m not time to be mean or anything. Both designs are a 1000 times better then I could do. They just aren’t my style.
post fail...
That was supposed to me numbered 2, 3, 5, 4, and 1 not 1 1 1 1 1
by hawkinwichita on Nov 14, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
See, I'm the opposite.
I don’t like flash. I like staid and traditional. I’m still the guy who like the old floor at AFH. Pure class, not that huge Jayhawk (even if I do see its merits)
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
differences in each others style...
Same reason my Tundra is a bright blue or “Beaker Blue” as my KState friend says. I like it cause it stands out and doesn’t just blend in.
by hawkinwichita on Nov 14, 2011 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, I'm not really down with the font
And if anybody checked to get the official University-designated shades of red and blue, I will refuse to vote for you. One more way Lew was a terrible AD was wasting all that money on consultants to pick official shades of crimson and blue for us.
That way he could sue anyone who used the official shades
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
by labbadabba on Nov 14, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally,
I don’t have a problem with that. Lew actually did something right there. Now, we could debate the merits of how much he spent doing the right thing, but at least he did the right thing.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
The ability to sue
is always a card worth keeping.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
You can't actually sue people for using your colors
And even if you could, you’re constraining yourself by picking specific shades. Better to claim blue and crimson and go after anyone who prints Kansas in any shade of blue and any shade of red than to let them off the hook by allowing them to choose a slightly different shade.
this was mentioned in the post for all of the submissions
but is it possible we change the logo every couple of years?
I liked #3
based on the fact when you are driving westbound on K-10 and reach the top of the hill around DeSoto you see Fraser hall in the distance. On a clear day or even a somewhat foggy day you can see it pretty clearly.
I agree totally
Anybdy who spent 4 yrs at KU fondly views that skyline. 2 very landmark buildings with RCT wording
I love the skyline
I don’t like the gradient of sky to sun. It looks too soft or something.
by P. J. Karasek on Nov 14, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I voted 2 but I meant to vote for 1...
I don’t want any Floridian’s messing this up.
Just kidding. Some of us Floridians do know how to vote. My choice is just losing. I like the real hawk. Big eye and all.
#3
I finally realized what bothers me in #3: there’s simply too much black in that logo.
Granted these are dark times for our athletic program, so maybe that’s a good representation.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
While it was tough
keeping track of all the women I have slept with, I’m confident that I am aware of all the children I have fathered.
So the answer is no.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Antonio Cromartie reads this...
shakes head in disbelief…
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 17, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I thought #2 would do better than that.
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I may be way behind here..
But what the hell happened to the circus font? KU doesn’t even use that font anymore do they..? Why couldn’t we use it?
we can go back to it....
It wasn’t that I didn’t like it, I just made the suggestion to take a look at it another way and then it seemed to stick.
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As far as #2 and #3
Since I did both, first thanks for the votes. As far as the eye on the bird, all that can be refined. I mean I spent about 15 minutes on it. The red head can go darker with out losing some detail. Lighten the eye, make it more natural.
As far as the state, as an art director I just don’t see how the outline of a state is a concept. I mean come on the state of Kansas looks like a box that was dropped on it’s corner. Not a whole lot of identity there.
Thanks again for the votes. Now beat the hell out of Kentucky!
exactly
change the eye so people aren’t “creeped out” and we got a winner!
by I need more Esteban on Nov 17, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Are we going to
have a run-off vote between the top 2 or 3?
Criticize FHOFNCHCBS at your own risk...
No offense to the current logo designer but....
these new designs just put it to shame.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
well, now that #1 is way out ahead
I’m going to have to voice my displeasure. It’s the state outline and a patch of wheat. It says nothing at all related to KU specifically. Instead it screams “this is all we are in Kansas. A big, boring rectangle with some wheat in it.”
My apologies to whoever created it, but I can’t get on board with number 1.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
by PenHawk on Nov 18, 2011 6:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
That's not my favorite version of that one either
the text looks off center both horizontally and vertically so it has an awkward look. Plus, yaknow, wrong font.
The third one has a 20 point lead...
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
We might have to check IP's on this one.
An hour ago it was down 25.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I'm with you on this one.
I don’t like it either way. I live in Kansas and love what the state offers, but the general stereotypes that people have about the state play into this logo. Might as well add the Wizard of Oz cast to it.
What? A girl who likes sports...INCONCEIVABLE!
really? what stereotypes?
Is it the wheat? We “Wave the Wheat”, it’s a great tradition and I think that’s a really cool play on that. I also always liked the State outline on the court as others have said. I guess I do like embracing those things. The more I think about it the more I like #2 but that looks like it’s going to fall by the wayside.
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The wheat doesn't look like it is waving.
Picture #4 does a better representation of it. If we are going to wave the wheat it needs to be everywhere. Right now it looks like it is growing out in western Kansas which plays into the “all western Kansas is, is farm country for wheat” impression. The star will get misconstrued as the state capitol, not as Lawrence.
What? A girl who likes sports...INCONCEIVABLE!
This is an odd argument...
I like #’s 1 and 3. I chose 1, but 3 is good too. But to discount #1 because of the KS stereotypes seems bizarre. Are we assuming someone from New York is going to look at this blog and see our logo and either decide Kansas is exactly what they thought it was (if we use #1), or think, “wow, look at the silhouette of those buildings…they must have a campus there…” (if we use #3). To each their own, I suppose…
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 18, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not only discounting it because of the stereotypes.
I think it is too blue, too boxy looking, and quite honestly, it just doesn’t appeal to me. Out of the 5 entries to select from, this is the last one I’d pick. # 2 is cool because of the realistic hawk, #3 is the campus, #4 and #5 have colors that pop. I went with #3 because it was receiving votes; however, my personal favorite is #5. It looks like a blog logo.
What? A girl who likes sports...INCONCEIVABLE!
it's not the stereotype that bothers me
as much as the fact that it doesn’t represent KU to me. I don’t care what an average New Yorker thinks when he looks at our logo, but I certainly care what I think when I look at it. When I look at #1, it doesn’t say “KU” to me at all. #2 (easily my favorite) and #3 (the only other one I’m OK with) make me think of KU.
Shouldn’t KU specifically be the theme of our logo? I don’t really care how much wheat the rest of the state grows.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
by PenHawk on Nov 18, 2011 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Reading Rock Chalk doesn't say KU to you?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
it does
so why have a logo that doesn’t?
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
The logo was good enough for the court at Allen Fieldhouse...
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
the words "Rock Chalk Talk"
emblazoned on an outline of the state with some wheat in the corner is on the court at Allen Fieldhouse? I guess I’m not very observant.
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
Of course not but an outline of the state worked.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
That's fine
I still don’t think the outline and wheat suggest anything about KU athletics
I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough, I could make people believe whatever I wanted them to. So, either I'm God, or truth is relative. Either way, booyah.
That is all what Western Kansas is...
Unless you want to add chicken plants to your description.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 18, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I haven’t been in Western Kanas in 15 years, but there used to be a helluva lot of feedlots too. Lots and lots and lots and lots of cattle.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Had a banker once ask me:
“Smell that?”
“That’s the smell of money”.
He was right of course (on many levels).
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Same thing they say about the oil fields in Texas, right?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
The state was good enough......
for center court at Allen Fieldhouse for several years but I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
My favorite version of my logo is this one. The text spacing is better and there is more crimson.
Agreed on both counts...
I greatly miss the state on center court and this is definitely my favorite version of your design. This would get my vote.
by hiphopopotamus on Nov 18, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
I like this one too
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
me too
(id take out the red though)
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I like the red on the lettering...
not on the border.
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yeah that's what i meant my bad
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Agreeeeed
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 18, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
So it may be going too far
but I think we should have a vote off for the top 2 when you close voting. I mean I got to vote for the one I wanted which I don’t think will win so if it’s between the two leaders, I’d love a shot to get a vote in on which one I like out of those two.
May be too much work and take too long so I understand if we don’t do it, just throwing it out htere.
by I need more Esteban on Nov 18, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions
Only if each one gets to take place in a presidential debate
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Nov 18, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
we should have had IRV
Instant Runoff Voting! It’s the wave of the future!
In this case, it would have expedited the process. For those not familiar, you rank your choices (at least 1,2,3), and at some arbitrary cutoff, the lowest vote-getter is eliminated, and its votes are re-allocated to their second choice. Then the next lowest vote getter, and so on until you have a true winner.
I think it’s terrible for elections, but in this case, it would have been perfect.
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IRV suuuucks
I think approval voting (meaning: vote for any/all candidates you approve of) is better than IRV in general.
The evil of IRV is that it promises to let you vote your ideal choice, then your realistic choice (like “Perot, Bush” or “Nader, Gore”), but actually it sucks at this. IRV is also complex to administer and tally. Approval voting is tons simpler and far less glitchy.
is this where i can argue that we should go to proportional representation
I write everywhere. You're probably better off following me on twitter
Proportional representation would be tough for the presidency
Bush and Gore alternating days in the Oval Office?
It could be...
I don’t think PR would work so great in the U.S., though. Too big to make regional representation a fringe issue; too anti-government to tolerate the heightened shenanigans and decreased representation of a highly factional legilsature.
Also it would not, for example, make Fox News stop existing. So it’s not high on the list of changes I want to see.
Screw it.
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
What the hell?
Not sure what happened there.
I was going to say: Screw it. Let’s use them all and just rotate every week. Surely that can be automated right?
"No time for questions. No time for games. Start kickin' ass and takin' down the names." - Dave Mustaine.
Home and Away
Plus our own version of the pro combat. Surely everyone would want some abhorrent go-go-power-Jayhawks version?
by runrunpasspunt on Nov 19, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Since number 3....
managed to get about 35 votes in a two hour time span last night (??) I may as well go ahead and post these before the winner is declared. Same basic idea with a few changes. Slightly less boxy state, deeper blue, different wheat and changed the font.
on this one I added the “waiving the wheat” text. Wasn’t sure when this blog started so obviously the date is subject to change.
I just saw this
I think i’ve been accused of stuffing, In my experience we usually look to the accuser for said shenanigans.
Audit.
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