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Kansas Basketball 50 in 50, No. 14: Preseason Top 25 Part 1

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50 in 50 is a feature here at RCT counting down until the Jayhawks kick off the 2011 basketball season on November first. Got an idea for something you'd like to see featured here? tweet @rockchalktalk or @fetch9 or email me at fetch9 at gmail dot com.

With only two weeks of this extravaganza left, I figure I'd better release my preseason top 25 before it's too late. I want to do it before the AP and coaches polls come out so I'm not swayed by what they have to say. CBS and NBC have come out with theirs already, but I think you all know me well enough to know I won't be influenced by that. Besides, CBS's is so awful that I would resign from RCT if I came up with a similar group.

In any event, here is the first part of my top 25, in reverse order:

25. Marquette

Marquette is one of the more underrated teams in the country offensively. They were 3rd in PPP in Big East play last year, and return three starters. Marquette's offense is largely built on not turning the ball over, but it works. On the downside, they have lost a lot of close games recently, which could point to coaching. Or it could point to the fact that they can't grab a defensive rebound late. Who knows.

24. New Mexico

The Lobos have one of the best rebounders in the country in Drew Gorgon, who had the 3rd best defensive rebounding rate in the country last year. And watch for incoming Aussie Freshman Hugh Greenwood, who averaged 17 ppg at the U-19 world championships this summer.

23. Florida

The Gators have a lot of good players back. The problem is, they all occupy basically the same role. Kenny Boynton, , Erving Walker, Freshman Brad Beal and transfer Mike Rosario all need the ball to be at their best. Further, most of Florida's best players are all on the short side, and big man depth is a problem. Everyone loves Patric Young, but talented though he is, he played in just 43% of the Gators minutes last year and while he was an efficient scorer, that didn't come on many shots and he isn't good in any other areas.

22. George Mason

Mason brings back four starters, so even though they lose arguably their best player to graduation, there is enough talent to get Mason potentially to the Sweet 16 and beyond. Other than those four returning starters, look for Sophomore Vertrail Vaughns to expand his role: He shot 49% from three last year in 67 attempts. The lone drawback for Mason? Paul Hewitt is their new coach. Yikes.

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21. Gonzaga

I have never really been a huge fan of the Zags program to be honest, but this year's installment looks pretty darn good. Robert Sacre is one of the best shot blockers in the country and I think Elias Harris will be able to shoulder the scoring load. One question will be taking care of the ball: Gonzaga was 161st in terms of turnovers and had no regular player with a TO% under 15%.

20. Alabama

Travis Releford's brother leads the Crimson Tide push towards the NCAA tournament, but he'll need some help. Bama was pretty decent at shooting twos, but maybe they should abandon the three, as their 29.8% ranked 330th in the country. Their calling card, though, is on the other end of the court: they were 7th nationally defensively.

19. Temple

The Owls were the 12th best team at taking care of the ball last year, and given that they'll have two Seniors in the backcourt I don't suspect that will change any time soon. They're a bit thin up front, but I think that will have less of an impact on offense, where the guards took most of the shots anyways, than on defense. Temple was 23rd best nationally in 2 point defense, though they struggled mightily defending the three. It's possible this was bad perimeter defense, but I am more wont to chalk it up to luck.

18. Michigan

The Wolverines lose Darius Morris, which is a big problem, but bring back a lot of guys who shoot the three at least acceptably well, which is huge for a team that had more of their points come from behind the arc than all but 9 other teams. Michigan's two biggest problems will be finding someone to create shots for others, and finding a second banana.

17. Memphis

There's no doubt that Memphis has talent. Josh Pastner has assembled a couple nationally heralded recruiting classes, and they have nearly everyone back from last year's team. The problem is, that team wasn't all that good. They scored just 1.03 PPP overall and .97 in conference play. Their defense was good enough, but there should be gigantic red flags about their offense: only three returnees had an eFG over 50% last year.

16. Belmont

I love Belmont. They only had one guy play more than 60% of the team's minutes last year, so regardless of the fact that they lose two starters, they have guys to fill in. Offensively they are ok, as they scored 1.12 PPP last year, but defensively is where they excelled, allowing .91 PPP and forcing more turnovers 27.5% than everyone except for Duquesne. They start with Duke and Memphis, so we'll get to see what they have to offer early.

15. Cincinnati

The Bearcats return Yancy Gates, one of my favorite players in the country, as three other starters. Those guys will have to be better offensively (eFGs of 52.5%, 51.7%, 49.1%, 48.3%) but Cincy gets it done defensively: they were 18th nationally and 3rd in Big East play, allowing .98 PPG in conference.

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this is going to be a banner year in college basketball

the league is stocked with talent because of the lockout and you will be seeing more NBA fans tuning in.

Another thing, with all of the minutes available, is Caleb Tarc a lock? I mean he would be competing for minutes against Withey. Having two 7 footers wouldnt be too bad

by fizzle406 on Oct 18, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

ah I kind of go the other way

UNC and UK are the only two teams I’m absolutely sure about, which is the lowest number than I can ever remember preseason. And once I got past the top 4 when doing my preseason list I started saying “team X at 5? really?” for every spot lower

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by fetch9 on Oct 18, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'll explain more tomorrow (or whenever the next part goes up)

but they were 9th in their own conference

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by fetch9 on Oct 18, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are your doubts on Ohio State?

I’ll be very interested to see what makes you more confident in Kentucky than in Ohio State.

by KSinDC on Oct 18, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

ask and you shall receive

(tomorrow)

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by fetch9 on Oct 18, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not even that sure on UNC

People are saying things like “Harrison Barnes is awesome and will lead UNC to a championship”, which sounds a little too much like last year.

Barnes got hot at end of last season and got some good stat lines. Maybe that streak is the new normal and I’m being too pessimistic, but I think the media have been way too quick to jump back on the bandwagon.

by sax solo on Oct 18, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barnes could be the 4th best guy in that starting lineup

and they’d still be my title favorites. Id take the field over them, but if you don’t have UNC #1 you’re insane or trolling for pageviews

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by fetch9 on Oct 18, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

By which I mean,

I think UNC will not be the end-of-season #1.

Everyone else has question marks that make them hard to pick over UNC, but I figure someone’s got to put it together. Not sure I’ll be so bold as to say that they won’t get a 1 seed in the tournament, though..

by sax solo on Oct 18, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would describe Kaleb...

as far from a lock. He’s taking the last trip to Arizona this weekend and no one seems to have a good beat on his decision. Some think Kansas sits well, but those same individuals have been wrong several times in the last few years. I don’t follow it closely enough to say one way or the other, I just don’t see how his current plans indicate anything close to a lock.

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by Owen on Oct 18, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

This weekend struck me as an extremely odd time for a visit

Early practices have to be brutally tough with very little of the fun stuff. Plus, the students aren’t engaged yet. The mere fact that he came to Late Night for us and is visiting UofA this weekend has to help us.

by KSinDC on Oct 18, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

UofA's...

version of late night is this weekend.

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by Owen on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smart move

to be separate from all the big name programs. Hold a scrimmage the next weekend and do all the big festivities then.

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by Triston27 on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

But who really sits around and watches ESPNU on a Friday night in mid-October just to watch practices from a grainy feed that is usually at a bad angle? Not recruits, and that’s what matters.

At least this way Arizona gets recruits to visit for a ceremonial practice that they normally might not.

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by Triston27 on Oct 18, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did!

Sorry if that is lame

It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.

by KRichards on Oct 18, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying it's lame

but you’re also not a 17 year old who’s being recruited by the likes of KU, UK, Arizona, UNC, Duke, etc…

Most higher level recruits are at the events rather than watching it.

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by Triston27 on Oct 18, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure they do.

And they are talked about. Plenty. Especially the level of recruits that are being talked about on ESPNU. These are the kids that already have local news in their face all the time. Not to mention all these coaches, recruiting sites, and magazines.

But even as good as Arizona is, they’ve got a better chance of getting a recruit to visit the week after programs like KU, UK, UNC, etc… take their shot.

So either way, a recruit isn’t going to be watching on tv anyway so it makes sense for UofA to invite them a week after.

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by Triston27 on Oct 18, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why you're talking about recruits watching TV

They’re hoping to be on TV. And Late Night is a great time to put recruits on TV in the middle of a big-college atmosphere (which they certainly don’t get when their games are televised).

by KSinDC on Oct 18, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm confused.
(which they certainly don’t get when their games are televised).

How do they not get attention during their televised games? Also, I don’t watch Late Night. Does ESPNU even acknowledge which recruits are in attendance? I don’t think Bill Self can even speak about them while they are there.

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by Triston27 on Oct 19, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

The atmosphere is different

I think having TV cameras at your high school game and having TV cameras on you as part of the much bigger production of Late Night are meaningfully different.

by KSinDC on Oct 19, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think so?

During the high school game they’re actually talking about you and showing you for 2 hours. During Late Night ESPNU is talking about the incoming freshman and the rest of the team, not the potential recruits. And it’s only for about 5 minutes.

Again, I didn’t watch it so I don’t know, but do they even talk about recruits who are there? Doesn’t seem like they’d be able to. Nothing on ESPN.com talked about which recruits would be at which school.

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by Triston27 on Oct 19, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing though,

is that I think recruits might be attracted to programs that have “buzz” around them. Even if late night does nothing directly to help potential recruits, they might want to be part of the school program that is getting that kind of attention in general.

by sax solo on Oct 19, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not too much to quibble with here. I would have Alabama ahead of Michigan and that would be the only change. I love that you are putting Belmont at 16.

by JoshuaR on Oct 19, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

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