Kansas Falls To Southern Mississippi
After last weeks big win against the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets there was some optimism and hope that Kansas might be able to head down to a tough game in Hattiesburg and get a win. But the reality that many expected set in fairly quickly.
The question all week was where does that reality exist? Was it the team that played bad against North Dakota State. Or was it the team that played inspired against Georgia Tech. It might be the easy answer but Kansas is somewhere in between.
In the first half Kansas couldn't move the ball offensively, the defense struggled to stop the Southern Miss. playmakers and a miscue on special teams resulted in a 21-3 deficit. Kansas looked like a young team in a tough road environment with plenty of room for improvement.
At the start of the second half Kansas held USM to an initial three and out before the Jayhawk offense finally got the ball rolling and punched in a run for six. Unfortunately after a second straight three and out by the Golden Eagles, Kansas couldn't carry that momentum. From that point on the Golden Eagles would pull away.
Southern Miss. has the athletes to make plays and they made more of them while Kansas didn't make many and couldn't get into any kind of consistent groove. It's a loss that some fans expected even before the NDSU loss so it's not a back breaker, but it's pretty clear that Kansas will continue to struggle when facing an up tempo spread with a higher caliber athlete. The bad news is that most of the teams in the Big 12 will be exactly that.
Beyond that it's hard to ignore the coaching concerns and disorganization at times during the game, but just a week after praising the group for the win against Georgia Tech it might be wise to just take a step back and breathe before reacting too far one way or the other any time Kansas plays in 2010.
Next week the Jayhawks welcome New Mexico State to Lawrence. No game is a gimme, but the Jayhawks need to get a win, get back on track and head into conference play with a 2-2 record.
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Disappointing...
but not without some good points. We lost by 15. We gave up seven on a blocked punt, broke down for a 49-yd run, and the refs gave them a gift by not calling a touchback when USM threw it out of the end zone?
The punt protection obviously needs attention. That’s weak. The offense was inconsistent. Webb had some poor throws but showed a willingness to take a hit for the team. He seems like a tough kid. Running backs ran hard, room to run was spotty. We lost a few rushing yards on sacks.
Defense played hard but were we exposed athletically in the front seven. I thought we played the pass pretty well.
There are still too many foul-ups on the sidelines and this use of timeouts to save delay penalties. Shouldn’t happen.
It looks like there will be plenty of opportunities for film study this week.
At least
it gives us something to watch on Thursday nights.
Friday nights are for high school.
Why does college feel the need to intrude on that?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I haven't watched HS for 30 yrs
and not planning on watching any for at least another decade. It is fine with me to have them play on Friday nights, especially when it is on national TV. It also lets me be productive tomorrow.
by dagger108 on Sep 18, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't get it.
Friday night ratings have got to be horrible, it’s about as bad as NBC putting their high school football show on Friday nights during the fall and then wanting to cancel it because it has shitty rating.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
That makes some sense
People who would be interested in the HS FB show will be at games, and not watching TV.
The fact remains that there are still plenty of people that aren’t going to HS FB games. Those of us not going to games say yeah for a nationally televised game to watch.
Painful but not unexpected
Looked more like the team in the first game. Gave up timeouts early. Seemed confused at times. Didn’t show a lot of intensity. The ‘D’ hung in and the offense sputtered when they got inside their 30 too many times. There is nothing special about our special teams.
Keys to the game:
Time of Possession – we did very well with this through the 3rd quarter.
Pick up the blitz – not so good. seemed Webb was on the move a lot like Pick in the NDSU game.
Coaching – Thought Torbush made good adjustments and our defense kept us as close as they could. But we were confused many times. How do we get a freakin delay of game on 4th down with our punter already in the end zone? That like several other plays is on the coaches.
Limit the big play – this is where we lost the game. they had 4 big plays. 2 got called back for penalties that were justified. The other two were TD’s that cover 14 of the 15 point deficit. The 49 TD run was a horrible play by Kande taking the wrong angle and not having the speed to adjust. The blocked punt was just ridiculous. 3 guys back to block two guys and nobody gets a solid lick. Who the hell is coaching that punt team?
well said
this really comes down to the inability to sustain some consistent drives and maintain a time of possession advantage, coupled with our inability to get more stops on D…they were just running right through us for much of the game…lack of really any pass rush and corners playing too far off the ball.
i am optimistic about webb and sims, however-i hope to see continued improvement from both of them as the year progresses.
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 17, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Coach Adam Stamm is responsible for special teams
He’s the one coach that Gill brought with him from Buffalo. At this point, I’m sure we’re all wondering why………
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
There isn't much experience on this team.
No one to rally the team after a rough start. It will be tough for this team to win on the road.
This one was a learning experience for a new team.
It’s no different than the NDSU game, except that was the first game together, and this was the first road game togther. They (all) are learning.
I do really appreciate the adjustments made for the 2nd half. That is a foreshadowing of the 2nd half – of the season. We won the second half of the game, and we’ll win the second half of the season. We may not win th whole season either – this season, but it is all about learning and getting better each day.
Continue?
“it’s pretty clear that Kansas will continue to struggle when facing an up tempo spread with a higher caliber athlete. The bad news is that most of the teams in the Big 12 will be exactly that.”
Why willl they continue “to struggle against tempo spread with a higher caliber athlete”?
What about this game is an indicator of the future?
Personally, I thought the 2nd half provided lots of optimism for the future.
This game itself is not an indicator
But the fact that we’ve looked helpless against the spread for 2 years, and it continued last night has me worried. It seemed to me like this staff is no more confident the last in terms of our CBs being able to play tight man-to-man coverage. We gave them cushions and they took advantage. Our linebackers also seem to vacate the middle of the field immediately on every play, leaving us vulnerable to scrambles and slow-developing running plays. Aside from the occasional creative blitz, this defense looked like a carbon copy of last year’s.
Well our defense has almost all of the same people except at safety
So I’m not surprised we look the same
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Sep 18, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I thought was the BIG difference in this game:
USM’s LBs were AWESOME. Ours were non-existant.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
We kept the ball in our hands for the majority of the 3rd quarter which was definitely a win and the two stops early in the 3rd did provide some optimism…but beyond that USM was able to take their foot off the gas and ran twice as much as they passed in the 2nd half.
I did think the defense played better as they settled in and I liked the fact that we were able to blitz and generate some pressure at times, but I still don’t get the sense that we’re at a point where we can go into a game and win it with our defense.
Mangino and his staff just missed in recruiting front 7 players too often in recent years. We have pieces but their isn’t much depth and we don’t really have anyone that consistently provides a playmaking threat.
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I agree on the front 7 aspect
And where the hell is Laptad? Does he still play for us?? He has been invisible this year
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Sep 18, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
How many times
have we seen a defensive linemen as the first guy on a tackle? We just don’t hear their names. I don’t know if it’s assignment defense or not, but sometimes your “assignment” is to tackle the guy with the ball.
We ran quite a few 3-3-5 sets
and every time I just cringed because as you’d expect, they’re running attack we jut gash it.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
I posted some of this on the game thread but I think:
On defense: It all starts up front. No push at all, no pass rush just rushing the lineman. Our DTs get beat bad every play and as a result we give up 5 yard runs or give the QB too much time to throw. I’ve actually been somewhat impressed by our DBs and the LBs played average. If our D-Line continues to struggle like this though, its going to be a very long year.
The punt blocking is inexcusable. Stop doing the stupid new formation and go back to the old pro set punt formation. You know, the one that never resulted in a blocked punt, not the new one that has produced two blocks in three games. Take away that punt block and its a whole different game.
I’m excited to see that our running game is pretty good and consistent. Webb needs to do a better job of getting the ball out quicker to avoid sacks and hitting open WRs. He can certainly improve, but for a freshman he hasn’t been too bad, IMHO
Shit happens when you win championships
Agree on the punt formation
Seems Rojas has a (foolish) sense of security having 3 guys right in front of him. If we go pro he can see who is coming and how much time he has to get it off. Not so good for the rugby punt he does so well though.
by eastcoasthawk on Sep 18, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Report Card
Topeka Journal blasts KU. Have to agree with evals. Offense cant throw downfield, too many dink passes. Defense no progress against spread offenses making for a long year. Special teams coach should be fired now! New formation makes no sense, and this is likely to get Rojas injured. No passing grades today. Coaches cannot gather a consistant game plan. Once again not convinced that Webb the answer at qb. He does not make his reads. On a bright note RBs looked fiarly good and ran hard.
You can’t expect an offense with a freshman quarterback to start winging it all over the field and be effective. I would expect the passing game to remain conservative until Webb gets more comfortable (and a little more time to throw). I agree something has to change in the punting game, but firing Stamm after three games will not fix our problems. We’re 1-2 in a year with a new coach, new systems, and a new quarterback. Not time to fall on our swords yet.
Yes but if you watch other teams their entire secondary plays us within 5-8 yards from line of scrimmage. We have to open up the passing game or the field will continue to get smalller and more crowded. It appearred that in 3rd quarter it was run2 pass3rd or run 3. Need to use play action more but realize with defenses cheating up on us they are not respecting our play action or ability to pass.
With a young QB....
that sticks his eyes on his first read it is easy to coach against us. Play tight and take away the short comfortable throws. Challenge the O-line to protect him which in our case makes him run while trying to throw a longer pass. One of our QB’s has got to learn to make their reads quickly and spot the best pass probability. Right now if he has the time he is going to his first read and forcing the ball if necessary. Definitely on the learning curve with our QB’s.
by eastcoasthawk on Sep 18, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I had
flasbacks that C. Bowen was still coaching. Our DB’s 10-12 yards of the receiver, no pass rush and making their QB look like a Hesiman candidate. Sometimes I wonder if we even had 11 players on the field because there is so much open space. And the O-Line very disappointing, had difficulty with a 3 man rush and no blitz pick-up.
The players are what we thought they were; for the coaches hopefully it was a learning experience
We the fans know the athleticism isn’t there to stop a good spread offense – now the coaches know it, too. The defensive schemes, including having the corners set back from the line of scrimmage, was just a first attempt by Torbush. Not that it will necessarily get better, but it’s too early to totally pack it in and assume this defense can never stop a spread offense.
My take on having the corners set back is that SoMiss was getting big runs, and it’s easier for the secondary to play the run if they’re not up on their man (where they can’t see the running play develop).
The “good” news is that it seems if we know they’re going to run, we can stop it, and if we know they’re going to pass, we can defend it OK (considering there’s zero pass rush). It’s just all the other plays that are the problem!
The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 18, 2010 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think we are stopping the run that well at all.
As a team we are giving up 190 yards/game. We gave up 202 yards last night. Torbush may figure it out somehow, but don’t expect much improvement with the talent level we have. Our D-line has to rank at the bottom of the Big 12. All that aside, it worries me a lot that it has been 3 games and our game management has been awful. Wasted timeouts, unorganized plays/personnel, and lack of play-clock attention have really hurt. I’m thinking this will be a season to forget, but I hope we turn it around by Big 12 play.
No
Our D line has to rank in the bottom of the NCAA! I dislike going the JUCO route, but I really think we better be scouting Butler and Blinn right now for some immediate help next year.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

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