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Kansas Jayhawk Football Depth Chart Released

One day after training camp wrapped and on the day of the start of fall classes, Kansas has released it's first depth chart for the 2010 season. 

A few surprises, a few position changes to discuss and certainly some interesting things to dissect as the Jayhawks enter the final two weeks before gameday.

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Offense

LT 72 Tanner Hawkinson 6-6 293 So. 1L     70 Gavin Howard 6-5 297 Fr. RS

LG 67 Duane Zlatnik 6-4 326 So. 1L  62 Alex Smith 5-11 266 Sr. SQ

OC 59 Sal Capra 6-2 295 Sr. 2L  77 Jeremiah Hatch 6-3 332 Jr. 2L

RG 69 Trevor Marrongelli 6-2 293 So. 1L  65 Michael Martinovich 6-5 279 Jr. 2L

RT 76 Brad Thorson 6-5 310 Sr. 2L  79 Riley Spencer 6-7 300 Fr. RS

TE 86 Tim Biere 6-4 260 Jr. 2L  87 Bradley Dedeaux 6-3 252 Sr. 3L

Utility 11 AJ Steward 6-3 233 Jr. 1L  43 Ted McNulty 6-5 230 Jr. SQ

WR 81 Johnathan Wilson 6-2 190 Sr. 3L 12 Christian Matthews 6-1 186 Fr. RS or 88 Erick McGriff 6-3 209 Fr. RS

WR 15 Daymond Patterson 5-9 173 Jr. 2L 20 D.J. Beshears 5-8 174 So. 1L

WR 24 Bradley McDougald 6-1 195 So. 1L 83 Chris Omigie 6-4 194 Fr. RS or 85 Rod Harris 6-0 211 Sr. SQ

FB 31 Steven Foster 6-1 257 Jr. 2L  38 Justin Puthoff 6-3 252 Fr. RS

RB 22 Angus Quigley 6-1 231 Sr. 3L 36 Deshaun Sands 5-7 190 Fr. RS or 6 Rell Lewis 5-9 205 Jr. 1L

QB 7 Kale Pick 6-1 208 So. 1L  2 Jordan Webb 6-0 210 Fr. RS

Defense


DE 94 Tyrone Sellers 6-3 230 Fr. RS or 90 Kevin Young 6-2 256 Fr. RS or 93 Quintin Woods 6-5 236 Sr. 1L

DT 97 Richard Johnson 6-3 283 Jr. 2L 71 John Williams 6-3 290 So. 1L

DT 92 Patrick Dorsey 6-0 273 Jr. 1L 64 Richard Dent 6-5 275 Fr. RS

DE 91 Jake Laptad 6-4 260 Sr. 3L 96 Keba Agostinho 6-3 253 Fr. HS

SLB 49 Drew Dudley 6-2 241 Sr. 3L 37 Brian Blackwell 5-11 211 Jr. SQ

MLB 45 Justin Springer 6-3 237 Sr. 3L 46 Steve Mestan 6-2 231 Fr. RS

WLB 52 Steven Johnson 6-1 237 Jr. 2L 57 Chea Peterman 6-0 212 Jr. SQ

NB 33 Tyler Patmon 5-11 180 Fr. RS 23 Ryan Murphy 6-0 185 Jr. 2L

CB 19 Isiah Barfield 5-11 185 Jr. 2L or 17 Calvin Rubles 6-3 205 Sr. 1L 5 Greg Brown 5-11 185 So. 1L

SS 44 Olaitan Oguntodu 6-0 218 Sr. 2L 4 Prinz Kande 6-0 194 Fr. RS

FS 1 Lubbock Smith 6-0 206 So. 1L 26 Phillip Strozier 5-11 205 Sr. 3L

CB 16 Chris Harris 5-10 190 Sr. 3L 30 Anthony Davis 5-11 205 Jr. 2L or 10 Corrigan Powell 5-11 180 So. SQ

 

First off, let's keep in mind that this is a first go.  Obviously the positions with the "or's" listed are probably a little up in the air still but some certainly look solid.


Offensively the first thing that jumps out is the fact that I was clearly DEAD wrong on the running back situation.  So much so that Toben Opurum has apparently been moved to the defensive side of the ball as has Keeston Terry.  Those are two position changes that come as a bit of a surprise but certainly both could could end up just as productive.  Terry could have been predicted, Opurum is a shock to me.

On the o-line the rumors of Capra to center and Zlatnik to guard are clearly true and it will be interesting to see if that lineup remains the same.  It's not often that you see a two year starter replaced, but it is a new staff and a fresh look.

The utility position is a new one, and I suspect it's an H-Back type role that will fit Steward, McNulty and most likely Mundine in the future.

Running back could still change quite a bit, but I'm surprised by this spot early on.  Glad to see Foster back at fullback after nearly hanging things up.  At receiver, plenty of depth and that's a good thing.

All in all, 15 underclassman listed on the offensive two deep and 14 upperclassman.

Defensively the upheaval doesn't seem to be quite as shocking.  Tyrone Sellers very clearly pushing Kevin Young for minutes certainly can't hurt the depth at the end position and true freshman Keba Agostinho on the strongside speaks to the camp he's reportedly had.

John Williams not starting is a small item of note, but he missed most of spring ball so not a complete surprise.

The big concern still has to be linebacker.  No matter how you feel about the starters, three walk ons listed at the #2 spot isn't a good thing.  Whether you are rooting for those guys, believe in them or whatever the case may be, there isn't going to be another Big 12 team touting three backup walkons at linebacker.

The backfield looks like a battle.  Some nice talent, Oguntodo making a move and some athletic players in Patmon and Barfield pushing for starting minutes. 

Total count on defense, 11 underclassman, 15 upperclassman.

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really shocked by the opurum move

gotta be LB right? think he may redshirt? didnt he come to KU to be a RB? so many questions… guess i just have to trust the staff

by rockchalks7 on Aug 19, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, I'm shocked too

He came to KU because he could be a RB. That was important to him.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 19, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

it will be interesting to see what develops with...

Toben.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

"interesting"

Indeed. Scary comes to mind.

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by Rivethead on Aug 19, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why "scary"?

We wouldn’t be losing a 2000 yd rusher. He’s our only known commodity, when a sixth year player steals your job, it wasn’t meant to be. But Quigley isn’t much faster in my opinion, so I’m surprised that he’s atop the depth chart. I’m assuming Gill is rewarding the captain and veteran with the first chance to show his worth against NDSU.

Scary is what I’d call our LB and DL depth.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 19, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scary

because TO came to KU to be a RB when he could have went to ND, UF, etc. to be moved to something other than RB.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I know is

that when I saw Toben on campus today he didn’t look to be in that good of a mood. (Of course it was also the second day of class and I didn’t want to be there either…)

by 608jayhawk on Aug 20, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should have acted like a back in a 2 pt stance

and ran to the right. Maybe tackling a random student would help his mood?

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by Warden11 on Aug 20, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he could do well at the position...

he certainly punished people as a runner, but as everyone knows…he came to KU because they were going to let him play RB.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely shocked!!!

But he definitely has the size to play any of the LB spots. I saw his future role being for short yardage situations mainly, but I thought he’d be the main guy for at least the first month. Shows how much I know though. :)

I still think the RB order will change. I’m sorry but I can’t see Quigley being our main back unless he has seriously improved since I last saw him in action. I still think Young could take Sellers’ spot but you never know. I mean, is Sellers really only 230 lbs? That doesn’t seem that big to be playing DE for a D1 school. He must be quick off the edge…

by MitchumMan on Aug 19, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHY THE HELL IS OPURUM AT LB

I have lost all faith in the coaching staff now. Just stupid. No retarded is the better word.

The kid as a TRUE FRESHMAN looked good. Again, his first year at RB. He was a high recruit at RB. He looked good young at RB. When Quigly is gone he will be the only big guy at RB. Did I mention he looked real good as a true freshman at RB?

I thought we saw the last of “hey lets jerk positions around and swap guys all over the place” coaching when Mangino left but I guess not.

Really lost a lot of confidence and respect with the coaching staff on this one. There is no way in hell a kid could look as promising at RB as Opurum did and then be moved to defense. I’m sorry no way.

I sure hope he transfers so he can run the ball somewhere. Thats bullspit

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 19, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

to be fair...

they’ve moved two guys…if those changes stick, I see no problem with it. The gripe with Mangino was the move and re-move all over the place. Mangino hit big on a few and I think he got a little overzealous later.

This is the first move the staff has made and it’s going to happen everywhere. As long as the moves prove to be well thought out and the player isn’t getting jerked in 8 different directions, it’s fine and it happens everywhere.

I’d start to change my tune if Toben is at defensive tackle in October and fullback by spring…that would be more Manginoesque.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your dislike of this move but,

Opurum was asked if he would be willing to switch to linebacker and he sounded pretty optimistic. The sound clip is on kusports.com. It’s pretty short, but it sounds like Toben is a team player and just wants to help out however he can.

by trueKUblue on Aug 19, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm getting a page not available message when I try to listen to that audio...

was it pulled?

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

nevermind found it again...

I will say when that interview happened, I think there was already a sense that the move might happen.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easy KU Grad 08

It’s my job to be Mr. Negative.

And even I’m not THAT upset about this. Just take another beer out of the fridge, drink it, and imagine how awesome it will be when Tony, er, Deshaun Sands runs for over 400 yards against MU……..

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well we can agree on the beer part

I’m not too upset, just feel like Manginoish coaching is still here. THe bad part about it, not the good part that won us games part about it

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 20, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not too shocked by Opurum,

but I’m surprised that they didn’t talk him into playing some FB. He’s only a sophomore, so we’ll have to see what happens in the long run.

Opurum just didn’t seem to fit the mold of what Gill and Co. were looking for. He’s best when he is either running it straight up the gut, or when you can at least give him a toss to get him outside the tackles. He’s very strong, but not terribly fast, and was really a better fit for the offense of the old staff.

Long likes to have the QB take a longer back step and give the runningback the ball further in the backfield than the average OC. Then he likes a back that will hit the hole at full speed. Quigley fits that mold perfectly.

If he can stay healthy, Quigley is in for a big year.

BTW: Ya gotta love Oguntodu getting a shot at starting SS. I’d heard he was doing great with Torbush’s defense and it’s fun to watch a guy that floundered in the old system flourish in another.

by Jeff Burtin on Aug 19, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

He wouldn't see the field at fullback

With Foster ahead of him. Combine that with the fact that KU will operate mostly out of the shotgun with one back and it makes no sense for him to play FB.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 19, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree and disagree

I agree with most of what you said. But “Quigley fits that mold perfectly” I don’t agree with. Quigley is not fast. He’s not explosive. He doesn’t hit holes with speed. What Quigley does is:

Run high
Run over people
Fumble

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not happy about it either

He’s like a skinnier version of Opurum to me. But Reggie Mitchell is one of my favorite KU assistants of all time, so I’ll be patient.

The fumbling talk is overblown. He turned it over against Texas and that was it. It was early in his career in practice when he wasn’t holding on to the ball.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 20, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fumbling

has to do with his running style. He runs high. Mangino’s staff tried for three years to correct this, but some things you just can’t change.

Here’s hoping that Coach Mitchell found a way.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Opurum ran too high

And he had over 100 carries last year.

Remember that Gill said no one has stood out at RB. So Quigley being on top of the depth chart likely has more to do with him being a veteran and captain than being our top RB.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 20, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Toben runs leaning forward. Always. When he’s hit he falls forward. Always.

Angus ran with his upper body almost perpendicular to the field. Worked for Eric Dickerson, didn’t work for Angus Quigley.

Here’s hoping he still doesn’t run that way. But after 5 years I have to imagine old habits are hard to break on a consistent basis.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm torn on Opurum

On one hand, he was one of the guys I was counting on coming into this season. That being said, from everything we have heard so far he wasn’t in the mix at running back.

So, on the other hand, maybe the coaches sat and talked to him and said, “You aren’t what we are looking at for a RB, but the defensive coaches think you have a chance to make a real difference at LB.”

I guess he either makes the move or transfers. Either way, seems like he is pretty much out of the picture for this season.

by Chyladin on Aug 19, 2010 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

He just has a choice to make

-Transfer for playing time at RB elsewhere
or
-Pull a Kerry Meier and be better at the new position than he ever would have been at the old one.

One way or another it was unlikely that he would have become an NFL caliber runningback, but he does have the physical tools to be an NFL linebacker. I personally love him as a player and would love to see him give linebacker a fair shot.

Another option is to redshirt this year and push for a fullback spot in the future. We already know that he blocks well, receives well, and can pound the ball up the gut.

Perhaps it doens’t have the glory of halfback, but a fullback that does all of those things as well as he does could easily find himself playing on Sundays for a sizeable paycheck.

by Jeff Burtin on Aug 19, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

you believe he has the tools...

to be an NFL linebacker? Everyone on every message board out there is questioning his speed right now and saying that makes this move an obvious win, but most NFL linebackers need pretty good speed in this day and age.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lateral quickness

Will be more important than overall speed. I’m sure Gill and Torbush thought about that fact before making the decision.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 19, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You certainly need speed to play linebacker in the NFL,

but to play RB you have to be able to get to the sideline faster than the linebacker and with enough cushion that the LB can’t force you out or trip you up for no gain. Considering that the outside linebacker has a head start at getting to the sideline I would think that NFL runningbacks would need to have significantly more speed than the linebackers.

Like jayhawk79 said, the ability to move laterally and having the strength to act as a brick wall are the key skills to being successful at LB. Nobody knows if Opurum has these skills yet, but giving it a shot certainly beats riding the pine.

In the end, some guys dig in the cleats and actually run faster as they start to turn the corner (see Daniel Thomas and even Quigley), but Opurum is not one of them. He has solid speed and incredible strength but an offense would get awfully predictable with him unless you are willing to work in plays where you throw to him in the flat. That worked in the pure Warriner spread where nearly every play was a passing play of some kind, but I think this staff would rather just recruit guys that fit their prototype such as Quigley, Bourbon, Sims, Dremius Smith, and Darrian Miller. Big enough to go up the gut, yet fast enough to make the corner.

I think many people are underestimating Quigley’s speed in comparison to Opurum’s and hopefully they’ll be pleasantly surprised by his performance this year. All that being said, I’m disappointed for Opurum as the guy is a stud and I’d love to see him find a home here. Hopefully it will work itself out in the end.

by Jeff Burtin on Aug 19, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

great points by both...

and I think my original comment may have come off more confrontational than intended. I agree with both you and Jayhawk79 that this was surely not a decision taken lightly and if he wasn’t in the mix at RB then yes, make the move he has the physical makeup.

I was more zeroed in on the statement that you felt he definitely had the tools to play linebacker in the NFL, that was interesting to me and I was just curious where you felt you had seen that.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping you're right on Quigley

Because after watching him for five years, I’ve never seen this speed “to get to the corner” that you talk about. That’s a big part of the reason he flamed out at LB…..he was slow.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not why he flamed out at LB

Remember when Mangino moved him to WR? He simply had more skilled players ahead of him at each position he tried.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 20, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone needs to trust in teh staff

at Buffalo Gill switche the QB and Rb from different positions and boh are the most productive pklayers at their positions in the schools history. he knows what he is doing.

by dester30 on Aug 19, 2010 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m sorry Dester, but this is a dumb argument. I’m not a football guy, I follow Kansas football only because I like the basketball, but if we are all supposed to just blindly trust in the the staff shouldn’t we still have Mark Mangino or Terry Allen for that matter? Both had areas they were successful and Mangino was successful with a few position changes in his time but missed with others.

It’s perfectly fine and natural to take a critical look at any personnel move or coaching decision that takes place with a team you consider yourself a fan of..

Really this Toben position switch is overshadowing the fact that a quarterback decision was made and it might not be the right one.

Like I said, I like what you’ve added from a football perspective around here Dester and I probably agree with you at this juncture, but to say EVERYONE needs to trust the staff just doesn’t fit reality and isn’t at all the approach I’d ever like to see a fanbase that I’m associated with take.

That's what we do at Kansas, we WIN.

by Ghost of Mark Randall on Aug 19, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

All i'm saying

is that coach Gill has a Very good track record with switching players positions. why not have the positive attituude until proven otherwise. we have so much talent at RB i think we wil be fine. I think coach Gill knows more about where our players can play than anybody on here. he is around those guys all day everyday

by dester30 on Aug 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...

I think at this point I’m more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I don’t know that I’d say Gill is any better at position switches than others, sometimes you hit…sometimes you miss…that’s coaching, but both moves certainly seem reasonable.

I mean really Toben ended up at KU because most other places were ready to move him from the get go. Mangino probably had visions of McAnderson and with that staff Toben likely would have been the frontrunner but this staff seems to want to do different things at the position.

To Mark’s point though…we can’t ALL trust the staff, or there would be nothing to discuss on here, in the stands, at the watercooler or anywhere : )

It’s just be a bunch of internet dudes sitting around saying…

KUGrad: “did you hear Mark Mangino punched a guy in the face and talked smack about his dad who’s dying of cancer”

KCSince88: “yep, I trust him though…we should all just remain positive”

: )

Just messing with you Dester.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe even whinier : )

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I wasn't in Ames Iowa I would come kick your ass

But I’m too far to drive to Coloradie from here I fear

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 19, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ames huh...

what’s in Ames?

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

On a business trip

Going around to meat packing plants (I do marketing communications for a company that sells equipment that grinds, process, packages etc meat).

Was near South Dakota and Minnesota (shudders), now in Ames tonight, head back tomorrow

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 19, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow...

you really get to visit some great places…you might end up in Greeley Colorado sometime, let me know if you do.

And while your in Ames…did you get over to Hickory Park?

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well drove past it

Like I said, flooding hit hard. Dry now but you can tell it was under water.

Got dinner at the olde brewary, or some brewary in downtown area. It was gooood

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 19, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yay, South Dakota!

There is no red like Chiefs red.

by labbadabba on Aug 20, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously my unemployment didn't last long haha

you were probably like wait, weren’t you just trying to get a new job?

I got this one a month ago, so this is part of my training and whatnot. Went and got a bite and such on the ISU campus. The flooding really hit this area bad

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 19, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's all good...

I’m just giving you a little crap Dester. After Mark’s comment above I just had a little laugh to myself imagining KUGrad and KC standing around agreeing with everything from the Bear Crawls to the Shovel Pass during the Mangino era….I just had to share.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your example of KC and I had also included

us being drunk, yelling about the Premiership and whatnot it would be truer

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by Andrew Clark on Aug 19, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think what you're saying Owen

is that trust is earned. Not given. Only a fool would blindly trust Coach Gill at this point (sorry Dester but a few years at a piss-poor MAC school do not constitute a very good track record).

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely earned.

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by Owen on Aug 20, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think my aproach is

why be negative? their is no track record that warrents it. why not be cautiously optimistic?

by dester30 on Aug 20, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's interesting because...

talking to fans around KU Football it seems to me that there is a very clear generational divide in a lot of respects. The under 30 crowd has that optimistic view. The 30+ crowd who has been around KU football a little longer is preparing for the worst.

It’s obviously not an across the board certainty, but I do think there is something to it.

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by Owen on Aug 20, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Myself and most of my friends are 40+

And the consensus is general optimism, but we’re aware that anything can happen with KU football. The ones who have been around the longest are always the most supportive. We’re also okay with pointing out the glaring problems and accepting that we could have a rough road ahead.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 20, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the 28-40 crowd just remembers the Mason to Allen switch a little too well.

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by Warden11 on Aug 20, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a heavenly transition

Compared to the previous three. Our AD has not picked many winners over the years.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 20, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

you’re confusing negativity with objectivity.

There is a lot of that going around the Jayhawk universe lately.

It’s ok to have doubts. It’s ok to express those doubts. It’s ok to question.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Aug 20, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood, and I’m generally an optimistic person. I just don’t believe in blind faith and I have no knowledge of his track record at Buffalo and I wouldn’t call a short stint at Buffalo and extensive track record at this point anyway. Again I like the moves, but I just don’t expect everyone too.

That's what we do at Kansas, we WIN.

by Ghost of Mark Randall on Aug 19, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand

I am just going to give Gill the beneit of the doubt until proven wrong. I think everybody shouldnt jump all over him. Im giving him his fair shot and I think everybody else should too. who knows maybew toben will be a very good LB

by dester30 on Aug 19, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s something we can agree on. Hopefully this turns out to be a great move for all players involved and most importantly Kansas. At the end of the day I just want to see wins again and I’d rather have them making the decisions than me certainly.

That's what we do at Kansas, we WIN.

by Ghost of Mark Randall on Aug 19, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think several things are going on here...

1.) AQ has lost 10-15 lbs and has probably gained speed and quickness as a result.

2.) TO wasn’t getting it done in practice for some reason, so I’d rather have a coach who’d try to get him on the field than let him waste time buried in a back-up role (ala Kerry Meier)

2a.) Mangino’s moves were often in the middle of the year and as was stated by Zlatnik (and others) the position changes didn’t often come with time spent teaching them techniques needed for the position. So, early changes are better IMO.

3.) Regardless of what you think of this staff, none of us have the collective wisdom of these guys.

by freudhawk on Aug 19, 2010 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Curtis Kitchen just fired a shot on twitter:

  
Guys changing spots just before season start, lots of words but saying little, decent recruiter. Seen it before – west of Lawrence.

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by Warden11 on Aug 19, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Ouch.

I’m sure you could say that about plenty of coaches, though. Especially the, “lots of words but saying little, decent recruiter” parts. That’s pretty much part of the job description, isn’t it?

"Got a bill that's big enough to twist the Tiger's tail. Husked some corn and made those SORRY HUSKERS BAIL!"

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Aug 19, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have to admit that outcome as a possibility

but I don’t buy it.

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by Warden11 on Aug 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...

certainly they can’t all be decent recruiters…but you don’t get to D1 head coaching level without being well versed in the art of conveying nothing while speaking plenty.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

A KSU fan critical of our new head coach?

What will we do without the approval of Kitchen?

by jayhawk79 on Aug 19, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

Opurum just isn’t the same player he was before his injury. I hope he can recover (and selfishly, I hope he recovers as a Jayhawk). It would be a shame if we ruined his potential by playing him as a true freshman when his body wasn’t ready. It may not even be a physical issue- he could simply be protecting himself out there.

By the way, there’s a great article on Gale Sayers in this week’s Sports Illustrated as part of a series on how physically demanding the running back position is in the NFL. Also for old school Chiefs fans, JoPos does his typical awesome job on a piece with Tony Richardson.

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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Aug 19, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

That 2-Deep at LB is a concern

How many tackles have these guys make that weren’t on special teams? The upside is the standard of 2009 isn’t going to be too hard to equal.

by Red Lion on Aug 19, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Not many of them

Have made any tackles period. Mestan is a RS FR walk-on. Peterman and Blackwell haven’t been in a game and are also walk-ons. LB is a close second to DL for weakest unit on paper.

by jayhawk79 on Aug 20, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The good news

This probably helps in the Darrian Miller recruitment. At least a little bit I’d think.

by Triston27 on Aug 19, 2010 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Hope you are right

Sounds like rivals has Minnesota making a big push on him. Can’t see why he wants to move up here to Southern Canada though.

by ocjhawk on Aug 19, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

talked to a buddy on the team

and he says TO is looking good at LB already

by rockchalks7 on Aug 19, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

That is great to hear!

He has such a great opp to contribute at LB.

by dagger108 on Aug 19, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a little shocked at Keeston Terry

The kid was a 4 star recruit at receiver and now he is playing safety. I thought we were set at safety with Prinze, Smith, etc. I’m not sure why we don’t consider a redshirt for him.

by Kansas10 on Aug 19, 2010 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

we're pretty solid at recieiver too though...

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I'm guessing...

they redshirt him at safety too.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Decide to redshirt him 2 weeks before the season begins?

Turner’s comment in an interview was that they would see if * gets more than 15 (?) snaps, otherwise they would look to redshirt *.

by dagger108 on Aug 19, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with both of your comments Owen.

I’m just saying that it’s strange when a highly touted receiver isn’t playing receiver anymore. I know we have depth there, but was he just not cutting it? I just remember how excited everyone was when he signed.

by Kansas10 on Aug 19, 2010 11:23 PM CDT reply actions  

not sure the answer....

both caught me off guard a little bit as well. I guess the Terry move less so, just because I wasn’t anticipating him contributing from the get go, but you are correct…he was probably our highest rated receiver in the class last year and yet he’s the first one to move.

Obviously they saw something in practice that they liked at safety.

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by Owen on Aug 19, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turner commented

that they were recruiting him as much for DB as for WR. They apparently have seen it all along.

by dagger108 on Aug 19, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you go back to the beginning of Spring Ball

Turner’s comment was that he was going to give everyone a chance to choose what position they started out at. No promises for where they’d end up.

At this point, I’m definitely with Dester. I have no reason to doubt the coaching staff, and readily admit that they have seen more of the players than I have.

by dagger108 on Aug 19, 2010 11:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Dakota has a nagging

neck injury that I posted about days ago. It has kept him out of contact about all of summer workouts. He will make it back and add depth. Josh just doesnt have it at LB.

by hawk37 on Aug 20, 2010 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

good to hear on Lewis...

is there an opportunity somewhere else for Richardson?

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by Owen on Aug 20, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Owen...

Im hearing its more of a mentality thing. He just doesnt have the motor required for the sport. But things change!! Farley needs time…..not an easy transition from high school safety in Iowa to a D1 LB in the Big 12.

by hawk37 on Aug 20, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough...

thanks for the feedback. Too bad, I hope Richardson can find somewhere to contribute at some point.

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by Owen on Aug 20, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

hawk37...

If you are Micah Brown, your videos are stellar.

by BluManGrp on Aug 21, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

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