A Few Odds And Ends From Kansas Training Camp
by Owen on Aug 12, 2010 9:07 AM CDT
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PrintA week and a half in and it seems pretty quiet. Hopefully we've gotten over the initial let down from the Huldon Tharp injury, the quarterback battle is still carrying on and a scrimmage with a depth chart following has passed.
Thoughts? Opinions? Questions? Answers? Probably not a whole lot in the way of answers still but there are a few odds and ends worth pointing out.
First off Daymond Patterson has been drawing very strong reviews so far in camp. Moving him back to offense could turn into one of the best moves for this team in 2010. The offense will look to get the ball in his hands and let him work when possible.
On that note, the return game could also see a bit of a resurgence this year as a healthy competition seems to be ongoing for that responsibility. Giving the right players the opportunity and putting them in a position to succeed could be all it takes, unfortunately this wasn't always the case in the last regime. This applies across the board not just in the return game.
Getting back to Christian Matthews who we spoke about a week ago, several reports of a "wildcat" formation including the quarterback turned wide receiver taking the snap. If you've watched any high school film on Matthews, this would be good news to you. He's only a redshirt freshman and still learning a new position, but Matthews has serious potential.
The running back position appears wide open from Angus Quigley to Toben Opurum and down to James Sims and Brandon Bourbon. Quigley is still working with the ones but all four are in the hunt for time and Turner Gill has continued to make it clear that they want to commit to running the football more.
Kale Pick continues to be the word at quarterback. I know the battle at QB is being hyped in the media and maybe Jordan Webb is in on it, but from what I can gather most expect Pick to win out. He's more versatile and a better fit for what the staff wants to do at this stage.
All in all the attitude and vibe around the team continues to be VERY positive. If you can accomplish that as a staff while practicing in 140 degree heat during August in Kansas, then you're doing some good things. More specifics coming next week relating to each position, depth chart and any surprise position battles/players shaping up.
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Lewis is hurt
so that obviously won’t help his cause.
ah yes...
I think it was you that sent me that email correction. Pretty serious if I’m not mistaken?
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They say it's a knee injury
and that he’ll be out about 3 weeks.
Just based on hair styles,
Sims has to be the guy.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
Sims hair...
and Hawkinson’s trucker mustache are easily my two favorite looks of the season. Hawkinson looks like a Will Ferrell character right now.
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The ereaser head look is cool
I thought hair like that was only in movies. BTW hot tub time machine made me lmao. How do you stuff that into a helmet?
I just hope Gill and Co can put together a bowl team that lays out every play.
I will choose my favorites by Big 12 play.
Could McDougald, Daylight, and Wilson be the strongest receiving corps in the Big XII this year?
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Aug 12, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
I don't know what they bench, but
I imagine OU’s WR group will be the best. Broyles is a stud.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
Not sure we need a wildcat
If we are already lining up in more traditional formations and running a lot, is the wildcat necessary? To me it seems like a better option as a changup from shotgun spreads, passing a lot, etc.
Looks like Matthews’ athleticism is going to get him on the field, period. Exciting to see him develop.
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I wouldn't call what we are going to do traditional...
we’re going to have plenty of looks to give people. Some of those will be more traditional, but make no mistake…Chuck Long and Turner Gill aren’t going to move us to a five yards and a cloud of dust style.
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by Owen on Aug 12, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I WANT SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 12, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Works for me...
Five yards, five yards, first down. Soon you’re at first and goal, and the defense, which at this point is suspect, is on the sidelines.
I think my point is...
we’ll see some of that, but Long is a fairly creative guy offensively as well.
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I understand,
but I think that some of problems the last two years have been that we tried to be overly creative. 12-1 means just about everything you did was right. But as a coach, you can’t believe it. In some respects the offense reminded me on Enron, the smartest guys in the room. And they just got too smug and satisfied with what they were able to think of, and then shrugged it off as execution.
I don’t know, I wasn’t on the sidelines or at the practices, but that’s what it looked like to me.
I spent 2007 asking myself “What are they going to do next?” Know what? I asked myself the same question much of last year.
Well, then our success rate would be outstanding
but our PPP would be shitty.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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I really do loathe the wildcat formation.
Well, lets see. The QB just went out wide and there is just a RB all alone in the backfield, gee, I wonder what they’re going to do. Yessir they’re going to run the ball. Wow, I didn’t see THAT coming. Lame.
There is no red like Chiefs red.
Works pretty damn well for the Miami Dolphins
With Ronnie Brown and Smoking Ricky Williams. If you can perfect it it can be dangerous, but for the most part it doesn’t seem more effective than just calling a running play.
I thought Meier would have been a great candidate for it last year with his experiences under center and speed, not to mention that when he played QB he did a lot of sneaks, options, etc. Seems like we tried it a couple tiems last year and it blew
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 12, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The idea is that
it’s faster developing and the offense can take advantage before the defense can adjust their reads. It takes a split second to take a snap and hand the ball off. In that split second the LB makes his read and adjusts to fill the gap. By taking a direct gap you’ve eliminated the chance for the LB to get to where he needs to be, thus creating a slight edge for the offense. Arkansas worked this to perfection with McFadden, Jones, and Hillis a few years back.
that might be true
but the element of surprise is crucial too. If defenses put a little time into practicing with it its basically useless. A quarterback whos a threat to run is a far greater threat than a running back whos a threat to throw.
element of surprise far exceeds
speed to the line in terms of as a successful offense. When you line up in the wildcat, the defense KNOWS you’re going to run the ball. Even if the RB gets to the LoS a quarter second sooner the defense will be faster because the don’t need to make a read on the QB.
It’s just dumb.
There is no red like Chiefs red.
But it works.
Even if it’s not a staple in your offense, as long as you possess that threat defenses have to take a lot of time to prepare for it.
Is it any different than lining up in a diamond formation and throwing a WR screen every time?
But when does it work?
As pointed out above Ronnie Brown and Ricki Williams have been effective but other than having two extremely talented backs, I’ve not seen this formation result in anything other than a cloud of dust…
There is no red like Chiefs red.
Arkansas looked great running it
of course the Jayhawks don’t have Darren McFadden and Felix Jones in the backfield.
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Denver was effective with it last year.
I saw a breakdown recently of NFL teams that used it, how many times last season, and the success rate. I can’t fin it now but approximately half had some form of success running it.
Few can shape an offense around it (Dolphins, Razorbacks), but it’s another wrinkle in the offense that opposing defenses must prepare for and that always benefits the offense.
And I'm not saying we should use it 10-15 times per game,
but there are plenty of teams that have used it and proven it successful.
Not sure we need a direct snap to the RB, but ...
I certainly hope we never calling anything in our playbook a “Wildcat”.
What sort of infidel has gotten into our ranks anyway!
Rock Chalk!!!
pretty sure they are using a different name.
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I want
10 men on the line area, hike it to Toben and smash face every play.
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by fetch9 on Aug 12, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
YESSS
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 12, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
YESS
that would be incredibly BORING.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
so it wouldn't be that much different than all other football
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Salty
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 13, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You know for being older than religion
You sure like these new fancy football philosophies. Passing the ball? SPREAD formations? WTF
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 13, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
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