A Love/Hate on College Football
With Turner Gill and the football team in training, I'm starting to feel the college football season creep closer to getting here. Depending on your point of view, that could be a good thing or a bad thing for the Jayhawks. It seems like every time I log on to twitter or RCT there is an announcement of somebody not playing this year, either for injury or other reasons. Mix that in with the new coaching staff and there a lot of questions heading into the season. However, one thing I know for a fact is that I'm excited for college football to get going.
If you're a somewhat regular around here, you know that basketball is what I love (this was supposed to be a basketball post but I didn't feel like finishing it). The only problem with college football is that you have to take the very good with some of the very bad. Lets go through some of the good and bad, hopefully you guys will fill in all of the things I miss.
The Good
- Traditions. The list of traditions that I love could go on a long, long time. I remember sitting in Memorial Stadium as a 10 year old and watching the band come running out of the tunnel thinking it was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen. As far as general college football traditions, things like this and this add flavor to a game that professional football misses.
- Rivalries. If you looked at the 2nd link, you know what I'm talking about here. For us, this means Missouri and Kansas State. Rivalries aren't exclusive to college football but they do seem to mean a little more in the fall than any other time of year. Maybe it's because you generally only get one chance a year to prove it on the field in football or because football is a sport where overpowering your opponent is the goal. I'm not sure why but they are special in the fall.
- Offenses. One of my favorite things about sitting down on a Saturday and watching college football is the variety that can be seen. You can turn on a game and see anything from five wide recievers to a wishbone formation to a pro set. You can catch a team line up and throw the ball all game long and all over the field or I can turn on a Big 10 game and watch teams pound the ball at each other all day.
- Options. Not the kind we can see on offense but viewing options. I can sit down on a Saturday morning and start watching football at 11 in the morning and watch games until midnight if I choose. Throw in a Thursday game every week and the college football fan has more football than they can watch.
- Fans. College football fans can mean a whole lot of things to different people. For me, it really means two things. First, the amazing bloggers devoted to college football. MGoBlog, Dr. Saturday, EDSBS, Football Outsiders, and everybody else that I can't think of right now. Between the viewing options and reading options, I've got more information every week than I can consume. The other part of this includes the everyday fan that comments here and elsewhere on the web (me and you) and devotes all day on Saturday to celebrating and supporting the university.
The Hate
- Money. One of the few things we did learn this summer is that money controls a lot of things. Money almost ruined a whole lot of traditions and rivalries. After watching all of the drama unfold, I became convinced that college football is America's game. A game where money is King, about as American as apple pie.
- Schedules. It is understandable that coaches and athletic directors want to find some non-conference games they can win. However, please play teams that are also hoping to be eligible to play in bowl games.
- Bowl Games. Bowl games are great. A lot of bowl games are better. Too many bowl games is about where we're at though. I don't even mind this really but lets put them all between December 26 and January 2.
- BCS. You had to know this was coming eventually, right? We want playoffs. I don't care if it's 6, 8 or more teams but at least give us something. College football peaks at the end of November and we're stuck waiting at least two weeks before games at all and usually three before interesting games. By the time football picks back up, basketball has taken me away.
- The Track. Just can't get over it.
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Egos and amateurs
The thing I love about college football (compared to the pro game) is the lack of egos displayed on and off the field. Yes, there are still some present (see Nick Saban and/or Urban Meyer and/or Lane Kiffin). But rarely do you see a gross, overt display of “look at me!” like you do in the NFL. This is because, unlike the NFL, coaches still have control of their players.
I also love that college football is played by amateurs. And sometimes (many times) a more talented player/team can still get beaten by a player/team that just outworks him. That’s very rare in the NFL.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
The talent/work aspect is much more of a factor in the NFL than college
You think Northern Colorado could beat Florida by outworking them? No.
In the NFL, the talent level is so even for the most part that coaching, teamwork, out-working, etc often swing games and seasons. I love college best, but in reality the NFL is so much more of an even playing field. In college, 90% of the time the team with the better talent wins the game (unless you are 2009 KU and you quit on the season/coach)
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
No, but I think an Appalachian State can beat an Ohio State...
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They beat Michigan
but they would have beat the Buckeyes that day too.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
Michigan wasn't any good that year... App. State murdered 1-AA
Still, there is a lot less chance of that happening than the Seahawks beating the Patriots
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Montana is playing Iowa state this year at home
For those who don’t know, Montana football is the kansas basketball of the big sky. They have won at least a share of the conference every year since 98. Great traditions and great recruiting will make this a game to see.
by fizzle406 on Aug 10, 2010 12:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They can but its not likely
You guys are missing my point. Yes someone can pull an upset and beat someone else. But its rare.
App St. wins that game, what one maybe two out of 10?
Its all about odds. It is a lot easier for someone to pick college games than NFL games. Therefore Rivet’s comment that “someone can beat a better team by outworking them” is more applicable to the NFL, where the talent gap isn’t as wide. IMHO, the Browns have a better chance at beating the Saints than Gram Valley State has to beat Alabama.
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're misunderstanding my point
probably because it wasn’t well-stated. Let me try again:
I love college football because teams can (and often do) overcome talent deficiencies by pure hard work and effort. That makes the game more exciting. In the pros, every team pretty much has the same level of talent (as stated above….the draft system helps drive that…but so does free agency).
The Appy States over Michigan games happen more often and are a bigger deal than the Lions over the Saints…..and thus more exciting. Let face it, the Lions are supposed to win….they’re a team a paid professionals (just like the Saints!).
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
So you're saying the college upsets are more thrilling because of the talent differential
At least in games like the example you mentioned. I’d buy that.
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the nature of the organization
NFL and other pro teams promote parity through the draft, while college is a free for all to get the best players.
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ha, sorry
football just doesn’t do it for me. Although it is fun for a day of drinking when you want to get away from intellectual stimulation. So probably every Saturday this fall for me.
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yessir.
leaving this Friday to move down there
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You'll like gamedays on the hill.
Especially during September. Scantily clad girls everywhere on gamedays.
::nodding enthusiastically::
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
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The Hate
Memorial Stadium. Seriously, just look at that picture- it looks like some Soviet-Era Eastern Europe housing project or something. Would it kill them to paint some of that cement blue or something?
Also, injuries. I hate that guys playing a dangerous contact sport can get permanently injured when they don’t even receive compensation for the risks they’re taking (and the profits they’re making for the athletic department).
Honestly, I don’t even get the point of collegiate amateurism anymore. In the past, it helped us develop our Olympic teams as an important point of pride during the Cold War. But now…why do it? The Olympics went pro a long time ago, and wanting to beat the Russians seems almost quaint at this point. What would really change if every player on the team made up to $100,000 a year? They’d still have to go to class to be eligible, they’d still have only four years to play, coaches still would be paid much more… I don’t get it.
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Aug 10, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
Or a living wage at least...
if some poor kids from the hood can earn a degree and earn enough in four years to help his family where’s the harm? Granted that is sorta rosey outlook but hey… I’ve rarely been called a cynic.
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100% disagree with paying of the players...
Kenny and Labba, I wanna go ahead and apologize in advance if this seems like an attack on you 2, but I don’t know how else to word some of this. Normally I respect what you 2 say but I feel strongly against what you’ve said. To start things off, we already pay these kids. They get the chance to get a degree from a great university. I could be wrong but don’t they get a free dorm to live in also? Labba, these “poor kids from the hood” are getting the chance to help out their family, to better themselves, and to get out of the “hood.” All they have to do is play a game, go to school, and graduate. Me, if I wanted a degree from KU, guess what, even with my GI Bill I’d be paying out my own pocket. With that being said, I think these kids are already getting enough. Yes, they make millions from the university, but they are getting plenty in return.
Kenny, did you ever play football? Just wondering cause a dangerous contact sport that you can get permanently injured in? Wow is all I got to say. I remember my last football game in high school. I didn’t wanna leave the field cause I know it was my last. These kids play football cause they want to. Most high school football players would love to play for Emporia State, just to be able to play one more game. You have a chance of getting hurt in everything in life. Life in gerenral is dangerous. Football, yes its controlled chaos, but these kids know the risks before playing it. On top of that, football is not that dangerous of a sport.
Sorry about my rant but college student athletes shouldn’t get paid like your saying. That would kill that amateurism of college athletics. After you do that, you might as well be watching the NFL, NBA, or whatever professional sport.
by hawkinwihita on Aug 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
I am split on this overall (mostly because of the idiotic rules that force basketball players to go to college) but with football I am with you.
Here is the deal, no football player in the country comes out of high school ready for the NFL. The game is too nuanced and requires a physical development well beyond an 18 year old. Going to college provides these athletes with all of the training and preperation they will need in the NFL as well as a contingency plan that will help them a lot if they don’t go pro or aren’t succesful at that level.
College football training earn arguably the most financial commitment from the University considering they have, per person, the most spent on their facilities and have a ridiculous teacher to student ratio. All of that trains them to earn millions of dollars or the ability to use their notoriety among alums to find a job. Oh yeah, and they get all of this for free in addition to room and board, bowl presents, and athletic apparel that you and I shell out at least $25 for.
Not saying college football players don’t earn those perks either, they work hard for them, but I find it a bit amazing that people think that we should also be giving them money on top of everything else.
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First off and most importantly, let me say thank you for your service to our country. I think the GI Bill is one of the greatest pieces of legislation this country has ever passed for a number of reasons, and I was glad to see it get increased funding in its Post 9/11 form.
Now on to the silly sports stuff: I’ve never really understood the “we already pay collegiate players with tuition and room and board” argument. If that’s true, then why is there such a big concern with simply giving them a raise? If a Computer Science major used KU labs to create the “next Facebook,” he would see an increase in profits as the product exploded. (The school might still hold the IP rights, but that’s a topic for a different blog) As athletic profits have exploded over the last 25 years, players haven’t been able to see any increased benefit for their labor.
Whether you loved playing football or absolutely hated it, the risks of permanent injury are the same. And as we get more and more research on concussions, it’s becoming increasingly clear that football is a significantly more dangerous sport than anything else KU offers. The differences between D-1 college and high school football are also massive. So while I hope that every Jayhawk shares your passion for the gridiron, I don’t really think that’s relevant. Lots of people in the world love their jobs, but that doesn’t stop them from cashing their paycheck every two weeks. And in a free, rational market, salary should increase as the risks you undertake increase.
The NCAA is a monopoly. That doesn’t make them evil per se, and I’m not suggesting that the age minimum to enter the draft should be abolished—companies should be free to require a certain level of training/ experience to enter their workforce. That’s how capitalism works. But because the NCAA does get monopoly status, I believe they need to be watched closely to ensure they aren’t exploiting people.
Maybe a better solution (instead of just straight up paying players) would be to have them earn money placed into a trust during their time in college. They wouldn’t be able to access that money until they get their degree. That money could then go towards future medical costs, as well as reimbursement for having their names and achievements used by their schools and the NCAA for their own financial gain.
Maybe I’m just still bothered by the story of Eric Washington. If you don’t remember him, here’s a good article:
http://www.ncaatop25.com/ewash.htm
Now, the school did honor his scholarship, and hopefully Mr. Washington has gone on to take full advantage of his KU education. But realistically, in this economy, a degree from a Big XII school isn’t enough to guarantee you a job. I guess what I’m saying is, I feel like he deserved more from KU for what he sacrificed for our entertainment than what he actually got.
And I don’t think amateurism is the thing that makes college sports special. For one thing, I don’t think teams have been completely amateur since…maybe ever? Hell, even Fielding Yost was probably paying players back in the day.
I think what makes college sports special are the traditions, the bands and cheerleaders, the way they bring communities together, the chance for guys you may have a class with or seen at a party to do something truly memorable, etc. I don’t see why giving players their fair share would change any of that.
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Aug 10, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with you in general
Replace “monopoly” with “monopsonistic employer”. One way to evaluate the theory is ask “what if” the NCAA had real competition in getting kids to play football – what would the NCAA offer then? Let’s say an NFL farm system sprouts up, and it takes the top half of recruits by paying them for a 4-year education plus a living stipend plus a moderately-sized trust; would the NCAA match or beat this “wage” to keep its football system intact? I think it would in a heartbeat, but some may think otherwise.
Then there are some bigger “monopsonistic employer” problems to tackle first, such as the aforementioned GI Bill and getting the members of the armed forces paid the correct wage (though we do see rival employers like independent security firms).
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 11, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
None taken -
I’m always open to a different take. I agree with your take in theory but not in practice. To me the current system is not practical nor is it sustainable. Something’s gotta give. Here’s my thing, I think the NCAA is corrupt and is seemingly placing more priority on revenues than developing student athletes. As a result, this money machine appears to be running off of a system of exploitation. My philosophy with corruption is typically remove the need for corruption in the first place.
In the war on drugs for instance. We all know drugs are bad m’kay. But what makes drugs really bad is the crime that usually accompanies them. Instead of relying on cartels and unregulated trade, why not legalize and regulate the drug trade. As a result, the corrupt cartels and dealers are cut out of the loop, drugs are safer, addicts can seek help instead of prison time, and it will generate a massive tax flow.
Here in the NCAA, we have a system of exploitation where the NCAA and the institutions are making BILLIONS in revenue and the ones providing us with this incredible year-round entertainment don’t see a dime of that. Sure they get an education but let’s say the GI bill paid for tuition and room/board. You’re still a 18 y/o kid and you don’t have much. What do most kids do in college who can’t rely on mom and dad? They get a job at taco bell, or borders. The players can’t even do THAT! I’m not saying pay these kids pro dollars. I’d feel much less slimey if even I knew kids in the revenue generating sports were getting a $200 stipend or per diem per month.
I also like the idea of the trust that KGRtC mentioned….
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Simple answer to the drug thing
If drugs are legal, chances are more people do them/become addicted. You really think thats a good idea?
I’m fine with weed being legalized and regulated but real drugs? Um, no.
As far as the players I think in addition to tuition and room and board they should get a monthly allotment. Maybe give them an extra grand on top of everything for food, clothes, etc. Nothing crazy but it would help them learn to budget money and etc and help them out
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
You really think so?
You think people are more apt to do heroin and meth because it’s legal? Most do it because they’re addicted to the quick and cheap high. Most of my friends who have dabbled in the drug world wouldn’t touch heroin, meth, crack, etc not because it is illegal but because they know that those drugs are dangerous and just plain stupid to even try.
But tell me this. The War on Drugs has been going on since Nixon, drugs are now more pervaisive, cheaper, and higher quality than ever. Dealers and cartels are making more money than ever, we’re talking about 40 years of bad policy. Isn’t it time to at least try something else. What happened to all the gangsters when prohibition was abolished?
Furthermore if drugs are legalized, sure, addiction rates may go up some but:
1) Crime surrounding the drug world would plummet
a) prostitution
b) murder
c) bribery
d) assault
e) robbery
2) Any uptick in addiction can be treated. By not incarcerating petty drug offenders and taxing the legal drug trade there will be more than enough money to open and fund treatment facilities.
3) Street gangs and cartels lose their only leverage over their neighborhoods. There will always be gangs, but the violence and ferocity of the average street gang did not escalate until drugs and drug money was introduced into the fray. If you remove their means, their power and influence will diminish. Same with the cartels, you remove the US market, there is no longer open warfare on the Mexican border.
Legalizing drugs has the potential to end the suffering of so many. Both those who are oppressed by addiction and those who are oppressed by the criminal culture surrounding the drug trade.
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by labbadabba on Aug 11, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I think so
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with everything you say, I honestly agree with all of it.. I’m just not sure how effectively we would tax it, enforce and regulate it, etc.
While being illegal may not be the best deterrent for people using, it still is one. Plus I wouldn’t feel morally right having something like meth be legal in this country. I agree with your points, but at the same time I can’t feel right saying someone has the legal right to shoot up with heroin knowing what it can do to the body and your life. Does that make sense at all? In the end I feel like a few more people would try stuff, which means a few more would get hooked. I’d have to have faith that the US of A could pull off effectively monitoring, taxing, etc before I give in to your logic and sacrifice my moral objections. I just don’t have that faith in my country. Not by a long shot.
To your point about gangsters. You imply when prohibition ended, the gangsters disappeared. Not true. They just moved on to other things in the mob world. I assume you’ve seen the Godfather Part II in which Herman Roth (the Jewish old guy) talks about how they used to run moonshine and bootleg and made a fortune, then got into other stuff in the mob world. From what I’ve read in a mob book or two (I’m a dork) this isn’t far from the truth. Mobsters will be mobsters, its a way of life for some and the only way they know how. If its not drugs, they’ll find something else.
The final main objection I have is your faith in drug treatment facilities, and IMHO this is the main flaw in your plan. You seem to carry this belief that with better funding and resources, we can effectively treat drug addictions and people can get better help. I doubt you’ve ever been addicted to any hard drugs (I sure as hell haven’t) but statistics show it doesn’t work that way. People that develop bad drug addictions more often than not are screwed up for life. Most refuse treatment, and those that get treatment usually wind up back on the drug. More often than not these treatment centers fail or people refuse to go to them, and that doesn’t change with your plan despite more funs, better facilities, more treatment, etc.
I agree with the problems you pose and I’m in no means trying to scrutinize your solution because it sounds like its coming from a genuine place of ending drug warfare and helping people, which I’m all for. I just think it has some holes, mainly the ability of the US to enforce legalized drugs and your faith that those who are addicted or become addicted can get better help to become “better.” Mostly I’m just arguing to argue, thats what I do.
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey guys- COLLEGE FOOTBALL
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Go do some math
dork
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
One more part on the fans,
college chicks in the fall are pretty awesome.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Better in the spring
but fall’s nice too.
/dirty old man
//well not that old but older than college chicks
Yes, it is.
But by this time of year, I’m ready to see them in jeans and sweatshirts.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
fall is the best
All of the freshman girls get all dolled up for class everyday for the first couple weeks of school. After that they begin to not care as much. Also the weather is agreeable too
by fizzle406 on Aug 10, 2010 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with knayte here.
there’s NOTHING like that first 80 degree day in April. All the sudden every girl on campus is wearing about half a yard of fabric. After 5 months of North Face jackets it is quite a transformation.
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Very true.
I love Kauffman on the first few 80 degree days.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Very true
One day I came out of Stauffer-Flint (the J school) after being in all morning. It was like 3 p.m. and went from like 35 to 80 in the same day (only in Kansas). It was like Christmas came… heaps of girls in front of Wescoe all enjoying the nice weather. After the winter months, quite the welcome site. I got some Chick Fillet, took a seat and relaxed. For a few minutes (hours). (days). JK…(hours)
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
reminds me of my strategy for meeting girls this fall
go meet all the Freshmen and tell them it’s my first year too (they can find out that it’s my first year of grad school later)
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Dude
You want frosh girls? Go up to them and say “I’m 21” AND “I have my own place”
Works…every…time (not that I would know but still).
There is nothing more frustrating to freshman girls who can’t get their hands on sauce on a friday night. Especially those in the dorms. Sometimes they don’t want to go to a frat house and get douched on, their older sister’s friend falls through, etc. You can be their hero. And reap the benefits of them thinking you are a really nice guy…and they are drinking…
Just saying…
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
you are NOT to get near Hunter's daughter
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by labbadabba on Aug 10, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I'm a settled man
Just trying to help the youngsters
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry Labba.
My skills with a chainsaw are quite impressive. One small slash & Grad/Fetch/KC shall be quite harmless. :)
by hunter s. royal on Aug 11, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus,
my daughter’s current college choice is Caltech, so I think she can handle the nerds quite nicely.
by hunter s. royal on Aug 11, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant no quarrel...
Please do not Texas Chainsaw Massacre me. You’d miss meits illegal
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem Grad.
I'm sure I'd miss you.
by hunter s. royal on Aug 11, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your chainsaw vs. my fists
we'll see who wins
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
done and done
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Sometimes they don’t want to go to a frat house and get douched on
Never heard this before. I like it.
by Triston27 on Aug 11, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not trying to bad mouth all frat guys
But after a while girls get tired of going to a frat house where everyone wears the same polos, sunglasses with the backstrap, weird old style brown belt, sperrys, etc.
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I had a few frat friends
They were good guys, basically joined a frat because they were from out of town and wanted to meet some guys and etc. I had a bunch of friends go to KU like I did so I never really considered it. Its just the douchin frat guys like I mentioned above that bugged me. I mean you hear stories of guys dying from alcohol poisoning from hazing and the other crap they have to do and you are just like…seriously?
The over-the-topness of it conflicts with my apathetic view on life. I’m about that chillin
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 11, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes sense
When I moved to Lawrence for school I didn’t know anybody and I refused to live in a dorm. So it took a while getting to know people to hang out with and the first couple months were boring. I had a couple frat guys in one of my English classes that I got along with so I went to one of their parties once. The guy to girl ratio was at least 10-1. That’s when I realized that it’s nothing like Animal House and wasn’t for me.
Different pov
I am a member of Theta Chi fraternity. We were never (and will never be) one of the “big” fraternities on campus.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time within the fraternity, both during school and now (I resigned from the Corporation Board three years ago when I moved from Olathe to Austin).
The worst “hazing” I received was I had to state my name “first name last, last name first, middle initial” in front of everyone really quickly. That’s tough to do when you’re nervous and few get it right the first time. We laugh about it now.
The social aspect wasn’t as “exciting” as I expected it to me, but that was more on my own tendencies than anything else. I was pretty reserved in college and was there first and foremost to get my degrees, not to have fun. I should have had a lot more fun.
Theta Chi (at the time) was at 1011 Missouri….right across the street from Memorial. A fun place to be on football Saturday’s during the Mason era (when no tailgating was “legally” allowed).
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
Being in the school of fine arts
it’s a pretty tight knit bunch. There’s usually about 10-15 freshman voice majors every year and they all have the same classes together. I never had a lecture hall class. Other than Murphy hall, the only other building on campus I had classes in was Wescoe.
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mmmm
You said it ::quickly turns around out of habit to see if fiance is watching::
Nope I’m at work. Phew…
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by Andrew Clark on Aug 10, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This argument is useless without pictures as evidence.
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