All-Time KU:FB
by Jayhawk12_28 on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT
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This is the last one for at least a week. Please if you didn't give me a suggestion don't b*** about the player not being on the list. You may also notice Major Applewhite is no longer an option; this is because people voted for him. Another thing is the fact that John Riggins is on this list too. Riggins is currently in second place on the RB poll. Know if he wins this poll he will be the starting FB and the 3rd string RB. If he places second on this poll he will be 2nd string RB and FB.
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Wish I knew more about these FB's
I know Riggins from the NFL & the OB.
Know Brandon as a RB his last year.
Other than that, about the only FB I know is LT Levine along side June Henley in the 9? Aloha Bowl. I did mention him in the RB blog, so figure I have a right to bring him up here as well.
Sorry, too ignorant to really vote at this time. I’ll wait for a few arguements from the bloggers.
Riggins
Because the FB in friday night lights, Tim Riggins, is named after him :)
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Is there a better show on network tv than FNL?
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 17, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Jon Cornish The Canadian bad ass. He was first team all Big 12 his Sr year I believe 2005-2006. He was nasty and of course Mangina didn’t play him more early in his career because he didn’t like his attitude.
He wasn't a FB...nor is he on this list tee hee
But yes he was badass. Next to Rush and Hockey, he is the best thing to come from Canada. Molson comes in 4th
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So
Our all-time backfield is Sayers, Riggins, and Reesing. Not bad.
We can go ahead and put Stubblefield and Brown in at DTs, right? And Aqib has to be one of our corners….
I don’t know much about historical wide receivers, but I assume pretty much every record is held by Meier and Briscoe. Do we go with three wideouts, or a tight end?
Which position are we voting on next? I think it should be linebackers or secondary- positions where there might be real debate.
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 17, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
This is KU. We go with three WRs
Shit the only time our teams been halfway decent we ran the spread. Well decent sometime after the 60s…
All Timer Offense:
QB – Reesing, Hadl comes in for the Wildcat (sick)
RB – Sayers, Riggins (Sands, Henly, McAnderson on bench)
WR – Henry, Briscoe, Meier
TE – FIne? He was good but dropped SOOO many TD passes
OL – Collins was real good. I dunno enough about old school OLineman but I’d nominate Collins and Rodriguez from the current years on there. Old school maybe George Merconik (sp) and Oliver Spencer, All-Americans from the 50s. Mike McCormack?
Defense:
DT – Brown, Stubbefield
DE – Charlton Keith was sick, not sure who else I’d put in. John Zook?
LBs – Nick Reid backed by James Holt at weakside, Mortenson and Rivera in there. Willie Pless too.
CB – Talib and Charles Gordon, both in their junior years at corner would be unstoppable.
S – Stucky, Cromwell and Hadl would make the team at DB and on offense. Dunno much about the old school guys
K – Bruce Killmeyer
P – ROJAS!
There you have it
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 17, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
So many of these guys are a product of the system.
I know a lot of records were broken during the Mangino era but that’s bound to happen when you’re running a hurry-up spread.
I’d rather have a 4th receiver than have Derek Fine. I’ll take Willie Vaughn and his 26+ypc.
It’s tough creating an All-time Team when you probably haven’t heard of most of the guys prior to 2003. I know I wouldn’t be able to do it. Maybe this will help you with the older guys.
Don't say
“product of the system” too loud. I mentioned that and a few of the people on here didn’t take that too kindly. ;-)
But i think you’re exactly right. I’m from the 2005 – present Era so I’m a little biased towards some players myself, but I try to be realistic about it. I don’t know the past of our WRs but I wouldn’t think the best 3 EVER at KU would be Briscoe, Meier, and Henry. One maybe even two of them might make the list…but like I said, I don’t know for sure. When you have 4, sometimes 5 WRs on the field it’s hard for a QB not to look good. And that goes for the WRs too. When you have 3 other WRs making blocks for you after you catch the ball from behind the line of scrimage, you’re bound to make some plays. I did like Meier though. He isn’t lightning fast, but he found openings and had increadable hands. Briscoe was on and off. I wouldn’t want to bet the house that he’d come down with the catch, that’s for sure…
I didn't take kindly to Reesing being labled as product of the system
When every other QB in that same system has had a crappy season.
Go look at the stats of Texas Tech QBs. They are all good. Hence the system.
Now go look at the stats of KU quarterbacks. Whats that? Reesings numbers are incredible and everyone else’s (except Wittemore for one year) sucks?
And that is a “system” to you? A decade of mediocrity and then the best numbers we’ve ever seen at the position? I’d call that a bright spot not a system.
But if you wanna play the system card fine. How is Hadl not a product of the system? Back then QBs ran more than they threw, hence his awesome stats in rushing and poor passing stats.
But you can keep the system talk it doesn’t bother me. I think its actually pretty funny.
Here is your homework assignment. Try to watch KU’s offense play in 2004-2005. Seriously pick any game and watch any of the 1,987,567,190 QBs who played in those two years. Then watch Meier and Barmann play in 2006. Then, when your done breaking things in frustration and getting drunk because you are so bored with all the three and outs, interceptions, over thrown passes and fumbles, get back to me.
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 19, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried naming them all before
but I’ll give it another shot:
Barmann, Luke, Nielsen, Weatherbie, Swanson?
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
I never said Reesing wasn't better than those guys
I even said Reesing made plays that I didn’t think was possible at times. He would keep plays alive when I thought for sure there wasn’t a chance. I’m not taking anything away from him in that aspect. I’m just saying, when you run a spread offense you’re bound to break records. Especially when most of the past records weren’t very high to begin with. QBs and WRs benefit from the spread offense. Why do you think so many schools have switched to it? It creates mismatches for the offense. Reesing took advantage. Just because we didn’t have a decent QB before Reesing in Mangino’s offense, doesn’t mean the system isn’t favorable to QBs. Reesing was a good college quarterback. I’m just saying he wasn’t the greatest IMO. That’s all. You don’t have to agree with me.
You're still not getting my point
You magically assume that a spread offense automatically means QBs have huge numbers and teams score a lot of points. This viewpoint is just plain wrong.
KU has been running the spread since 2002. We didn’t randomly put it in when Reesing took over it had been there for a while.
Also you keep bringing up Texas Tech over and over and over again. THATS TEXAS TECH! One school. Guess what its 2010. 70 % of all college offenses use the spread now. Hell apart from Colorado, KState and TAMU, EVERY Big 12 school uses the spread (well Nebraska doesn’t really either, but still its a majority). Does every Big12 school have a record setting offense every year?
Just because there is a spread offense doesn’t mean “oh snap we are going to score 60 points a game and our QBs are going to throw for 40 touchdowns.”
My final point is I’m not sure how Reesing isn’t the best pure QB we’ve had, based on the numbers and everything else. Hadl threw for 1,000 yards. His primary responsibility was to run the football. Its a different system. Hell our quarterbacks wore numbers in the 20’s. You can’t really compare Reesing to guys like Hadl and Cromwell because its a totally different position.
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Does every Big12 school have a record setting offense every year?
Pretty much.
Texas: McCoy broke Young’s records, who broke Simms’ records.
Baylor: Blake Symanski owns the records from his 2007 season. Records that a healthy RGIII will break.
A&M: Reggie McNeal holds most records. After this year, Jerrod Johnson will own them all.
OkSU: Zac Johnson holds the records
OU: Sam Bradford’s sophomore season was record breaking.
ISU: Brett Meyers holds records from 2007. Don’t be surprised to see Arnaud break all these.
MU: Chase Daniel.
You say that “apart from Colorado, KState and TAMU, EVERY Big 12 school uses the spread” and you’re right. You’ll also notice that all these schools also have very recent record breaking performances. EVERY one of them. And the ones that aren’t as recent (A&M, 5 years old, Baylor and ISU 2 years old) will get broken this year. Count on it.
I think you're the one missing the point
I didn’t say that because you run the spread offense you “automatically” score a lot of points. I simply said it makes it easier. Look at all the schools that consistantly put 40+ points on the board week in and week out. You’ll see that most of them, if not all, run out of some form of the spread offense.
Also, I didn’t say we created this “spread offense” when Reesing came. You’re putting words in my mouth once again…
Then you said that I keep bringing up Texas Tech. Well, in the post that you responded to I didn’t see where I talked about Texas Tech. So I’m not sure what you’re referring to…
Your final point – The best ever QB will always be based off of opinion. You’re of the opinion that he’s the best ever. I’m of the opinion that he’s not. Why don’t you get that? lol
Oh… Triston27 makes some great points. I think he helped answer some of your questions. :)
But you can keep the system talk it doesn’t bother me. I think its actually pretty funny.
Judging by your previous, and later comments, I believe this to be untrue.
I’m not saying Reesing wasn’t better than all the other Mangino QB’s. I’m simply saying that you have all these 2006-09 guys on here just because they put up huge numbers. TTech QB’s break NCAA records every year but that doesn’t mean they’re the best ever. They’re breaking records due to their system.
False
I mostly have 2006-2009 KU players because thats the only time KU has had three decent seasons of football.
I put in as many old timers as I could or knew of, but the fact remains 2006-2009 was the best period in football in Kansas history. Hence I’m going to have some favoritism.
But yeah, those numbers were all a product of the system. McAnderson and Sharp combining to rush for 2,000 yards, the WRs, Reesing’s stats and the best defense our school may have ever seen were all from the spread. ::eye roll::
I’m terrified to watch college football next year. Since 3/4ths of every school use the same “system” we do, every game will be like 60-55 and every record will get broken. Its gonna be nutts!!!! ::double eye roll::
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
91, 92, 93, 94, and 95 were all “decent” to good seasons. And actually, 92 and 95 were really good seasons. Sure, we didn’t win a “BCS” bowl, but we also played a hell of a lot tougher schedule. In 1995 our two losses were to #14 KSU and to eventual NC Nebraska. That stretch was better than the most recent.
I disagree.
That stretch was awesome. But it wasn’t better. The difference?
A BCS Orange Bowl Trophy vs an Aloha Bowl trophy.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
If you look at the percentages
The 2005-09 has a 1% better winning percentage than 1991-95. Plus 2005-09, KU had 1 more bowl game. So based just off of that I’d say 2005-09 was a better stretch. That…and it just happens to be the start of when I became a HUGE Jayhawk fan (came to KU in 2005).
I don't count the bowl game numbers
because in ’91 and ’94 KU went 6-5 but did not go to a bowl. Nowadays, 6 wins nearly (but not always, looking at you 2006) guarantees a bowl.
Back then 6 wins and a .545 win % didn’t mean anything in regards to bowls. Today, a .545 win % would make you a bowl lock.
I read that article
I have most of the players from that guy’s all-time team on mine, at least the obvious ones and the important lineman.
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Henry???? Really?
Now THAT guy was a product of the system. I’d go with Willie Vaughn instead.
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 19, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You obviously never watched him play if thats your stance on Marcus Henry
He was 6’5 and fast, and had an absolute monster senior season when other WRs like Dexton Fields were letting balls hit them in the face and then get intercepted and Derek Fine was dropping wide open touchdown passes.
Watch Henry’s 90 yard TD against Okie Light then come back and talk to me. KU isn’t in the Orange Bowl without Henry, he was absolutely huge for us in 2007
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 19, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right. Never watched him play once. Ever.
In fact, I’ve never even watched KU play football before, obviously. I’ve never even BEEN to the state of Kansas. What am I doing here?
You need to check your tone.
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was joking. Relax.
I’ll use whatever tone I wont!
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 21, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Henry's Senior Season Stats
54 Receptions
1,020 yards
18.8 yards a reception! Holy shit
Thats a pretty damn good year. Other guys like Fields, Fine, young Briscoe and at the end Meier were all possession guys. Good WRs, but Henry made the big plays. I’d say Henry’s senior season was almost as good as Briscoe’s, stats aren’t as strong but Briscoe and Meier caught all the passes while Henry’s season they were more distributed, and the team also ran the ball a ton more.
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 19, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Willie Vaughn
Junior year he averaged 26.9 ypc,
Senior year he averaged 20.8 ypc
8, 100-yard games
17 TD’s
Over two seasons
Vaughn was really good, I’m not saying he shouldn’t be up there will the all-time greats. I’m just saying Henry was very good and was a huge key to the Orange Bowl season
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give you that Henry was good,
but are you punishing Vaughn because he started for 2 seasons while Henry didn’t?
Every player you mention
comes from the Orange Bowl Era. You think you might be a little bit biased here?
No
remember that was a special team and special players. If Hadl played on a pass happy team you wouldnt know his name. Guy threw more picks than he did TDs in the NFL/AFL. The “system” can only get you so far you need players who know how to play the “system”. Every big 12/ BIg pimp daddy Texas and the 9 b****es school runs a special kinda of spread offense. You put Hadl on the 07 team he struggles, put Reesing on the 61 team he thrives.(thats opinion)Never was a big Hadl fan, I’d take Bobby or Reesing any day ;)
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by Jayhawk12_28 on Jul 20, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Did you read it. Its literally right above us.
Hadl, Sayers, Riggins, Henly, Sands are from the Orange Bowl era?
McCormack, SPencer and Macernic on the line? They are too??
Charleton Keith? Dana Stubblefield? On and on and on
I mentioned THIRTY players above and NINETEEN are from non-orange bowl era teams. Did you actually read it? Every player huh
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
you seem angry...
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I'm sorry
I get annoyed when I’m having a simple sports debate with someone and they are spouting incorrect statements about my position.
He said every player I mentioned was from the Orange Bowl era (on an all-time KU team). The reality is about 1/3rd of the players I mentioned are.
I’m not angry, just would appreciate it if people actually read things before pointing them fingers
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I already said
I didn’t respond to your first post…
It’s called connect the dots. You probably had coloring books when you were younger that helped with this skill. So get angry all you want but you used bad data…
He's used to arguing with Mrs. Grad.
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by Andrew Clark on Jul 20, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
if you look right above us, I replied to the “Henry Senior Season Stats” post. So yes, all of the WRs you mentioned were from the Orange Bowl Era. Who’s the one who doesn’t know how to read now??? ;-)
I understand, but . . .
The players from the Jack Mitchell years – Fred Haggeman, Curtis McClinton among them – are being sold short. For instance, Hadl not only is #1 QB, #2 DB, but also #1 punter and top four returner. The guy was truly the best all around (along with Ray Evans) to ever don the crimson and blue. Remember he only played QB as a jr and sr.
Not having seen them play is not a good enough excuse to ignore these Jayhawks when the subject is All Time KU FB.
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Oh yeah
I voted for Riggo. Mostly because of the Supreme Court story. But also because he was an unstoppable beast out on the field.
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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 17, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
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