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Where I Come From: Expectations for the Kansas Football Season

This post is sponsored by EA Sports NCAA Football 2011.

Our final post in the EA sponsored "Where I Come From" series, and today we're talking expectations.

The funny thing about Kansas' situation is a new coach often throws expectations completely out of whack.  Typically when you have a new coach it's likely because someone didn't work out, the program needed a change and things were headed in the wrong direction. 

Take away the disappointment of 2009 and that really wasn't the case with Kansas.  Mark Mangino had the program playing at a level it hadn't in over a decade, the recruiting classes and talent on the roster appeared to be building and then the seven game skid to finish 2009 occurred. 

Exit Mangino, enter Gill.  Now we have a situation where part of the fanbase is optimistic, excited about Gill and ready to talk 7-5 or 8-4.  Then you have a contingent who doesn't feel good about the way things transpired, remains skeptical of the change and is taking a prove it to me attitude which is certainly understandable.  Standing on that side of the fence, expectations might fall in the 4-8 range.

At this point, there are valid arguments on both sides.  The amount of unknowns make it very difficult and expectations become are about as varying as the person you might ask on any given day. 

My take is this, Kansas football is definitely in a better position now than they were when the last coaching change took place.  With that in mind, I'm not expecting the team to tank.  Kansas has a higher caliber of talent on the roster, the energy in the program has seen a resurgence with a fresh start and it's quite simply a matter of whether or not a team pulling in the same direction is enough to overcome some major losses and some serious question marks. 

Fortunately Kansas' conference slate takes a swing toward the easier side of things, but the first four games will set the tone.  My hope is that the Jayhawks can get out of conference play with a 3-1 record and a little bit of confidence.  From there Kansas needs to beat Kansas State and Colorado at home, then find one more win in Memorial Stadium between the Oklahoma State or Texas A&M games. 

With that, Kansas is 6-6 at worst and my expectation at this point is 6-6.  I'm not willing to accept sub par football and I just can't seem to allow myself to set the bar lower than .500.

At the same time, I believe there will be growing pains, the team will struggle to replace the loss of Reesing, Meier and Briscoe and the team will find serious needs and holes that remain unfilled.  Because of that, I can't put myself in the ideal world of a comfortable bowl bid. 

6-6, that's my expectation.  If Gill can manage that, I'll remain positive.  Don't get me wrong though, I'll gladly take an 8-4 or 9-3 if we want to shock the world.  And if Gill can manage that, I'll jump on whatever bandwagon he wants to drive.

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I’m normally one of those overly optimistic people who thinks that we will go out and win more than we really should. However, despite all of the good vibes since Gill took over, I’ve kind of felt myself sitting on the fence. My optimism won’t allow me to go under .500 either and I ultimately think we should be able to beat that. We return quite a few guys, although in instances like the LBs, is that necessarily a great thing? We struggled there last year, and I have trouble believing that a coaching change and an offseason can turn a pretty mediocre unit into a good one. I ultimately have plenty of doubts about how this season will go.

Still, I think we should be able to go 3-1 minimum with the loss coming to GT or USM. Then I think we can take at least 4 games out of our weakened conference schedule to end up with a 7-5 record. Certainly possible that we fall below that, but I think there is a pretty good chance we fall within one game on either side of this.

Hopefully Gill can make me a true believer in his style.

by FLJhawk on Jul 12, 2010 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

6 losses and a Final Four trip this year.

Once you get to the Final Four, it’s tough to make a strong prediction either way.

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by Warden11 on Jul 12, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

you don’t follow directions well : )

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

True. Just have basketball on the brain this morning.

And I have no idea what to expect from the football team. There should be some talent but so many unknowns right now.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Jul 12, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

basketball is too easy...

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by labbadabba on Jul 12, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

We will be the nicest team in the Big 12 (-2)

My guess is 5-7 with victories over NDSU, NMSU, CU, OSU and KSU.

But I reserve the right to revised this during or after fall practices.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Jul 12, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I always drink too much Kool-aid

9-4 and a bowl win, if we go 500 or worse I will be really disipointed. But I could see us going 7-5/8-4 befoer our Bowl game. I mean have you seen our schedule? who is going to beat us? Nebraska, Ga Tech…….TA&M?

by dester30 on Jul 12, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

With a new QB and a new system

We’ll beat ourselves. A lot.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Jul 12, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that's exactly why...

this is the most difficult team to predict in a long time.

On the one hand, we really do have an easy schedule. Outside of the three named games by Dester, we aren’t playing anybody worth a damn. But at the same time, we all saw that spring game. And we’re coming off a 5 win season from which we don’t return our 3 best players. I know coaching changes take time and we’ll be breaking in a lot of young guys, but if we can’t do better than 6-6 with this schedule, then my hope to ever develop something resembling a winning program is going to dissipate really fast.

by hiphopopotamus on Jul 12, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

well...

we did lose to K-State and Colorado last year…plus we basically held on against Iowa State so I wouldn’t say…“who is going to beat us” like we are a proven commodity.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

IF Dez doesnt drop a TD

we beat Clolrado, I think KSU is going to revert back to the Ron Prince Wildcats, and If our D improves like I think it will Arnaud or however you spell it wont run all over us like last year

by dester30 on Jul 12, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, I’m optimistic against those three teams as well…

I’m just saying…what we DO know is this. We lost to two of them and almost a third with what many would consider a proven team last year.

What we DON’T know is IF the Ron Prince Wildcats will return, we don’t know IF our D will improve…and well with Colorado we didn’t make the play and we might not again this year.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

Its a lot of ifs, but like I said i drink too much Kool-aid

by dester30 on Jul 12, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

bottoms up

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spike it

Spike it with grain alcohol. It helps ease the pain.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Jul 12, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I won't predict Prince-Cats

but in both KSU & ISU’s case it is really unlikely that they will replicate the TO margin from last year, and that is what both built their season on.

Unfortunately, a trend that Todd fell into over his 3 years was toward throwing the ball up and letting Briscoe go get it. That’s why his ypa were up, but his comp% was down, as well as his TO’s. We totally played into the hands of so many teams in this way.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

but again I wouldn’t say that those teams beat us. I would say that we lost (or in ISU’s case, almost lost) to them. I’ll never fully understand what all went wrong last year, but regardless of our 5-7 record, I know that we didn’t play 7 good teams. We honestly had one game (@ Texas) where I felt like we put a good foot forward and just couldn’t come away with the win. Every other game (including Nebraska, OU and Tech), I really felt like the chances were right there and we simply found a new way each week to piss them away. Obviosusly that could all happen again, but it doesn’t change the fact that there aren’t more than 3 teams on our schedule that have the ability to just come out and beat us because they’re just that good.

by hiphopopotamus on Jul 12, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were Disfunctional U last year in FB

The coach and QB weren’t even talking. How can anyone expect success with that scenario. It amazes me that last year is still used as some sort of benchmark.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

you don’t think there are any conclusions that can be drawn from last year to this year?

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya dester -

Kool-Aid for me.

I might have lingering doubts and fears but I’m going to hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Either way, I’m looking forward to August…

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by labbadabba on Jul 12, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Either way, I’m looking forward to August…

YES!! Always.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you mean October?

KU is a basketball school, after all.

Sorry……couldn’t resist.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Jul 12, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I seriously hope that changes soon

Don’t get me wrong, I love KU BB.

I love FB more in general and KU winning football best. I really hope KU students and faculty learned what sport drives real influence and prestige of a school.

by ocjhawk on Jul 12, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

HULK SMASH!!!!

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by labbadabba on Jul 12, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Football Outsider

KU’s schedule ranking in the FO Almanac was 38th last year. This year, it’s 89th. Obviously, that makes for many more winnable games this season.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

buy your “stay the whole game” shirt yet??? : )

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, not yet.

Need to get one of those made soon. I need a Rock Chalk Talk shirt, too. What’s the status on those?

by knayte on Jul 12, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

look on the left hand sidebar...

scroll to the bottom, I have the Rock Chalk Talk store up and going through SB Nations contractor on T’s etc.

I made the “Stay the Whole Game T-Shirt”

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh sweet!

I somehow missed that. I shall be ordering one soon.

by knayte on Jul 12, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

it just went up Friday...

and I haven’t put up any sort of announcement or anything but I will probably next week. I’ll be moving the store to the top, hand out the free t’s to those whose ideas were selected and see if we can’t get a few of these in the stands.

I’m partial to the “Stay the Whole Game” one myself.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love the shirts

Especially the font….However you didn’t have to pay some marketing firm $70K for the new font design and @26.99 without shipping that is going to be one mighty hole in my wallet.

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by KRichards on Jul 12, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear ya...

trust me, I’ve voiced my opinions on the pricing as well and I’ll keep doing so.

That said, there are no taxes and shipping should be FREE so the price is the final price I guess that’s a positive : )

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay better than I thought

I had just assumed a 5 dollar or more shipping charge would be tacked on and I have never spent over $30 on a t-shirt.

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by KRichards on Jul 12, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was my first thought...

and I cringed as well. Trust me, I’d love to get these around the $20 mark, but to get a $20 t-shirt made on a per order basis it had to be one sided and white only. It’s not ideal, but this was the best I could do at the moment.

I figured if I was going to do it, I might as well do it right and that’s having the shirt colored BLUE!!!

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've spent $30 on a KU tshirt

at Kansas Sampler, but only because it was a badass tshirt….

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by labbadabba on Jul 12, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attrition

One thing that should help the transition is the fact we lost no one to attrition. Which is normally not the case. We lost our four best players but everyone else is back and they are familiar with each other.

My guess is we go 7 – 5 or 8 – 4 as long as we stay relatively healthy (I read over on Phog where they say Spikes might be hurt and maybe out for the year. Don’t know if that’s accurate or not).

by Rolo on Jul 12, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

I've got an article going up on SB Nation KC this afternoon..

and it discusses the injury and question marks developing for the 2010 KU season. Spikes is hurt. I’m not certain the extent yet, but as you mention it sounds fairly significant. Add that to the minor injuries to Thorson and Hatch and the o-line might be an area to be concerned with now.

Hatch and Thorson should both be back, but missing summer conditioning doesn’t help anyone.

Also, Steven Foster is a name that may or may not be on the opening day roster.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

This is a team that lost seven straight games last season. Some attrition in certain areas may not have been a bad thing.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Jul 12, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But it is still an impressive accomplishment by Coach Gill and his staff. Especially when you consider we’re changing the offensive scheme. I’ll take any “recruit” that has already proven they can play at the D-1 level over some high school kid with potential any day.

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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jul 12, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about Brooks and Greene?

You could sorta call that attrition, right?

by ISellDrugs on Jul 12, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been pretty optimistic until now

I have a bad feeling about our O-line this year. Every time I turn around I hear about another injury. Last I heard, Spikes was out for the whole year??? If we don’t have healthy bodies up front I just can’t see us being that successful. So for right now I’m going to lower expectations to 5-7. I pray that we do better than this, but until I know for sure that our o-line is going to be healthy all year, I just can’t say my typical 7-5 at worst.

by MitchumMan on Jul 12, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

best pic ever

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by Jayhawk12_28 on Jul 12, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Football Outsider research and the offensive line

Connelly’s research has shown that lost talent on the offensive line doesn’t have as much of an effect on a team as many people would think.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that refers to year of year losses. Graduations, pro draft etc. Not losing two to three starters because of injury.

I could be wrong, but that’s my guess.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

KU 2010

I have mixed feelings about this group; I think/hope our defence will be much improved(Tharp was a freshmen last year, and i think/hope he’s gonna break loose.)
North Dakota State-win
Georgia Tech – Lose ( This i a very winnable game, I don’t think GT’s gonna blow us out)
USM- WIN (I don’t think we can pull of the road win but this one is very (again) winnable)
NMS- win
k-state- win
Baylor – win(But don’t take baylor lightly they have the tools to beat us)
T A&M – Lose
Iowa State – win (screw experts)
Colorado- win (screw the buffs and their Ahole fans)
Nebraska- lose
Okie State- lose
Misery – WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That makes KU 7-5 in my prediction; but ican see them going 4-8 we’re just gonna have to wait and see.

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by Jayhawk12_28 on Jul 12, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

This is a tough question.

I beleive strongly in Turner Gill, but he doesn’t have Todd Reesing to cover his mistakes like Mangino did. Kale Pick is one hell of a good yet unproven QB and I trust he will do well in this system, but I just don’t think he will pull off many surprises in his first season at the helm.

This season is all about swing games. I don’t see a single team on our schedule that is unbeatable. Any of our games could go either way depending on if the new defensive scheme can improve our lackluster defense and if Kale Pick can mature faster than expected. With even a decent defense and a decent offense KU could beat anyone on the schedule, but I think my Jayhawks will be a bit too mediocre on both sides of the ball to win the big ones.

1. ND State — win, Gill starts 1-0
2. Georgia Tech — loss, defense and offense just not consistent enough, Gill starts 1-1
3. Southern Miss — loss, defense is impressive but Pick isn’t this game, Gill goes 1-2
4. NM State — win, mediocre performance is enough for this one, Gill goes 2-2
5. Baylor — loss, Baylor finally has a good season going, Gill goes 2-3
6. K-State — win, K-State is terrible on offense and we squeak this one out, Gill goes 3-3
7. Texas A&M — loss, Texas A&M just too much for young QB, Gill goes 3-4
8. Iowa St. — win, Pick learns to ignore the noise, Gill goes 4-4
9. Colorado — win, Pick continues confident play and defense holds, Gill goes 5-4
10. Nebraska — loss, Neb proves to consistent to beat at home, Gill goes 5-5
11. OK State — loss, OK St rides momentum from last season, Gill goes 5-6
12. Missouri — loss, MU has more experience on both sides, Gill finishes 5-7

Swing games: Southern Miss, Baylor, MU…prediction 5-7, hopeful record 8-4

I hate this prediction, but it’s not a lack of faith in Gill, just a lack of faith in the youth of the offense and lack of swagger on defense from last year’s woes.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

in my post below, maybe I'm underestimating Southern Miss and Baylor

but we’re mostly on the same page. Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but I figure there’s KU winning an upset in there, too, maybe Neb or OK State.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 12, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, I love blind optimism...

it’s the sign of a true fan. I’m usually that way as well, but the sword cuts both ways this year. I don’t see any unbeatable teams, but I also don’t see any teams that cannot beat us. It stinks, and I think our youth at a couple of positions could hurt us this year.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sidenote:

If we make it to 6-6 I believe we get a bowl close to home versus a non-BCS school and get to 7-6. That would make me plenty happy in Gill’s first year.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

love the breakdown...

and I think it’s probably where quite a few Kansas fans sit right now.

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

I’ve never had such a hard time putting us at 5-7.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see us losing to OSU

at home. They lose just as much if not more than we do on offense.

by Rolo on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good...

I would love nothing more than to see my prediction be wrong and to have KU win far more games than I thought possible.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put me down for 8-4

6 games should be close-to-automatic (3 non-cons that aren’t GT, and Baylor, ISU, Colorado). That leaves beating only 2 of GT, KSU, TAM, Neb, OSU, MU to get to 8 wins.

If for some reason the QB situations turns from “I think these guys can do OK” to “these guys are flat-out awful and the running game is not good enough to cover for them” then I see a different story. But right now this seems reasonable — not an “if it’s worse than 8-4, I’ll be furious” situation, just where I would lay my money if I had to predict a record for the season.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 12, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

If we pull off the win over GT...

my entire prediction goes out the window.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, and even just a well-played game that shows the team can compete at a high level

A close loss will mean almost as much as a win (as a barometer) if it shows that the team is ready go.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 12, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely...

The big thing that worries me about GT is that if our defense doesn’t improve then they will be able to beat us the same way K-State beat us last year…run, run, play action pass for 15 yards. If we can stuff the run a couple of times and make GT depend on their passing game then I believe we have more than just a shot at beating them.

by trueKUblue on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the most uncertain KU season since the 2007 version.

In 2006 we could run the ball with Cornish but we didn’t know who would replace him in 2007. We didn’t know who was going to play quarterback. We had heard rumors an unknown guy named Reesing had beaten out Meier but we didn’t know how good he was going to be. The defense had taken a big step back in 2006 after the strong 2005 effort. That was one of the things that made 2007 so great is that nobody saw it coming.

I have no idea what to think about for this season. First, I tried to think, “What would I project as a record if Mangino was the coach this year.” Automatically I start putting up a decent record but then I have second thoughts. Last season I picked the team to go 8-4 or 9-3. We went 5-7. What went wrong? A lot of people would argue that Mangino was what went wrong. He coaching style had finally worn thin with players. If that is true then maybe a new coach coming in with the talent that has recruited since 2007 can start to get back to being a bowl team. But, maybe that isn’t it. Maybe they just haven’t replaced the talent that carried them in 2007-2008. In that case, I don’t see how we get above 5-7 until after a few recruiting classes.

I’m of the unsupported opinion that KU has recruited a fair amount of talent that last couple of years and a new, positive, and highly regarded coaching staff will be able to get those players to play up to their potential. All of that of course tempered with the fact that we have a new offensive/defensive system in place. Here it goes:

NDSU: Win, if we can’t win this one we might not win more than 2 games all year.
G. Tech: Loss, G-Tech is going to run all over us. Unless there is a magical jump in LB
                        play.
S. MIss.: Loss, I just have difficulties seeing us win on the road until we see Turner Gill do
                     it. (Possible swing win)
NMSU: Win, see NDSU
Baylor: Loss, but a decent chance for a road win. Maybe if this was later in the season
              when players a more used to the new system.
KSU: Win, I have a feeling that K-State is still a year from being KSU of old, if ever.
T. A&M: Win, I don’t know why. Tough win to see, but I’ve to find some win in here.
ISU: Loss, I had this as a win until I saw it was on the road. I don’t know how we beat
           them on the road after losing to them at home last year. (Swing win possible)
CU: Win, Colorado gets a real ass whooping during their Big 12 fair well tour.
NU: Loss, need I explain?
OSU: Win, big question though. OSU is out recruiting us, but they lost even more NFL
            talent than we did. Toss up game, I give the edge to us at home.
MU: Loss, Consistent program with junior quarterback will win this game. Damn them! (Possible swing win based solely on the rivalry)

After looking at the schedule, I see a team that could go anywhere from 4-8 to 8-4. The first time I did it I actually had them going 4-8 but I just don’t get the feeling that they will do that bad. I can’t pick Turner Gill to win on the road until he does, especially in the Big 12(-2). Remember how hard it was for Mangino to get road wins early on?? All that being said, 6-6 with no road wins also sound improbable. I don’t see us winning 6 of 7 at home. So, for us to realistically get to 6 wins we need at least 1 road win. Very interesting football season coming up.

by Chyladin on Jul 12, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

we didn't lose to ISU...it felt like we did, but we didn't...

Is Arnaud still with the Cyclones? If not, I don’t see them beating us.

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by labbadabba on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just checked

Unfortunately he’s a Junior and still there according to ESPN’s roster.

by FLJhawk on Jul 12, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for catching the ISU 'win' from last year.

Also, I’m much more willing to give KU a win with South Miss. after looking over the schedule and seeing that we beat them last year. I know, I know, if we barely beat them at home, how will we beat them on the road. Simple. Last years team sucked and we beat them. What ever it was about last years team hopefully is gone and we can start a new. That being said, I’ll still stick around 6-6, maybe 7-5 now. Winning against S. Miss. if still off set in my mind that really think we are going to lose twice at home (at least) this year.

by Chyladin on Jul 12, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had heard that Larry Fedora

was really interested in the KU job. We didn’t even give him an interview. Think that might motivate him to have his boys ready?

It probably won’t make a difference, but coming off a short week, and having to travel to a hostile place don’t make a good recipe for succes for KU football.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Jul 12, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong . . .

But weren’t a couple of SMU’s top players injured during our game with them last year? If I remember right, their best player (that receiver whose name escapes me right now) was out injured.

by ISellDrugs on Jul 12, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're thinking of their 6'6 WR who was good

And I’m pretty sure he played…

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 12, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

that weeknight road games rarely go well for the visiting team.

by Triston27 on Jul 13, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is Arnaud still with the Cyclones?

No, he’s sitting on a(nother) red card.

Bensa, that one was for you.

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by Andy Edwards on Jul 12, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

a red what?

huh?

The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986

by labbadabba on Jul 12, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a Couple things

I’m a lot more unsure of what we are getting in Pick/Webb than what we were looking at in Reesing/Meier. We knew that not only did Reesing come in to spark the CU win the year before, but he would have to be pretty decent to beat out Meier. On the other hand, we haven’t seen Webb in a real game and Pick only got mop-up minutes. I think this is a big difference from 07.

Also, we beat ISU last year at home, but it was a lot closer than I had anticipated. I think there is a decent chance we take that one, but I certainly don’t feel really great about it.

by FLJhawk on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Newell Post by Jesse Newell at LJW

Jesse summarized some of the most interesting things from the chat with Bill Connelly. Connelly studies the advanced statistics in college football and writes for the college portion of the 2010 Football Outsiders Almanac.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/newell_post/2010/jul/09/in-case-you-missed-it-ku-and-college-football-talk/

No opinions, just the facts and history.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Bill does a fantastic job for football outsiders...

and Rock M Nation. For a Mizzou guy he definitely deserves some credit : )

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He puts us at second in the North

which would be ahead of the tiggers I believe – I’m guessing behind NU.

That’s the nice thing about stats – there’s no kool-aid involved.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah it was definetly eye opening

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by Owen on Jul 12, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

KU

Two of the best predictive factors for a college football team’s future success is past success (especially in the last three to five years) and recent recruiting rankings.

• In the Football Outsiders Almanac, KU has a predicted mean win total of 7.4. The numbers project a 7-5 record for the Jayhawks and a 5-3 record in conference, which would put them at second place in the Big 12 North.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

KState & IState

Two other factors that are usually not easily repeatable year to year by teams are fumbles and interceptions. The percentage of fumbles recovered in a year is, for the most part, is out of a team’s control, but it can have a huge impact on the final record of a team.

The FO Almanac rankings are not kind to Kansas State, which is predicted to go 4-8 overall and 1-7 in conference. Part of that is KSU’s program hasn’t been successful in recent years (program rank of 72nd) and also hasn’t recruited at an extremely high level either (recruiting rank of 54th). KSU’s underlying numbers last year weren’t great either, as the Almanac’s numbers ranked the Wildcats’ defense 93rd and their pass defense 104th, while KSU’s offense was ranked 95th. "There’s no way they should have won six games last year," Connelly said. "The numbers aren’t sympathetic to a coach being able to pull a magic act." How did KSU do it? The Wildcats had a great turnover margin (+7) and also played two FCS opponents.

Another team that is being projected to fall back this year is Iowa State, which the Almanac projects at 3-9 overall and 1-7 in the Big 12. The Cyclones haven’t had much recent success (81st in the Almanac’s program rank); they also forced more fumbles last year than any team in the nation. "It’s just really hard to duplicate that as your main mode for success," Connelly said.

by dagger108 on Jul 12, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That makes me feel better about the season.

KU seemed to have a lot of turnovers last season. I’d love to see K-State and ISU come back to earth. I don’t see ISU making back to back bowls. Hopefully we can get a win up there.

by Chyladin on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Expectations

In all reality, this team shouldn’t win more than 5, maybe 6 games this year. The OOC schedule is not easy at all, and while the teams we draw from the South in conference play aren’t the big boys, they’re all going to be pretty good this year.

Our biggest of question marks (at least for me), which Owen eluded to over at SBNKC, is the same thing that undid us last year – the offensive line. Obviously, the talent and now some experience is there. But, if they play like they did last year for Todd – as experienced a college football QB you’ll find – with a brand new starter in there this year, it could get ugly in a hurry. Opposing defenses will shut our “power” run game down and force (likely) Pick to throw 35, 40, 45 times a game. If that is the case, we’re gonna need a couple defensive touchdowns a game to win some that we shouldn’t.

Now, that said, I think we’ll be alright. Maybe I’m just being a homer, but I see us winning 7 and making a bowl, somehow.

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by Andy Edwards on Jul 12, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I think someone mentioned the offensive line for a huge question mark in a roundtable a while back.

And then someone else said “don’t you watch any football? They’ll be a strength!”

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by Warden11 on Jul 12, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then, I went to the Spring game.

I now fear for the well being of Kale Pick anytime he drops back to pass.

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by Andy Edwards on Jul 13, 2010 12:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kool Aid

I love me some Kool Aid. It’s always been that way. However, it never fails to make me sick. This is the truth, by the way. It tastes great but it leaves me feeling sour and betrayed. (I’m still trying to find a flavor that works… cause I want to love it unconditionally).

It’s the same way with my sports allegiances. As many of you now know, the following is a list of sporting franchises/institutions that I’ve publicly attested to following:

Kansas Jayhawks (duh), New York Yankees (I grew up there, sorry), Duke Blue Devils (first love, but I’ve moved on), Miami Dolphins (Dan Marino), Orlando Magic (no clue), and the Florida Panthers (again, no clue).

In my lifetime, I’ve seen some championships and I’ve also seen my fair share of rough spots. As a Yankees fan, the Kool Aid is forced down your throat. Every year is expected to end with a ring, and with the money spent, it should. It’s the same way with Duke, for the large part, except for the most recent few years. The Dolphins are on their way back, but the fanbase loves the Kool Aid and it always ends up spurning us in the end for a losing season (except this year!). And I won’t even touch the Magic or the Panthers.

The Kool Aid has been temptress for my sporting spectator-drom. It sits in the fridge in a nice glass pitcher, or maybe a sun tea jar, and glistens with a nice chilled temperature. It even tastes wonderful… until reality sets in.

And this is where I now stand with the KU Football Jayhawks. Wanting Turner Gill to find that one flavor of Kool Aid that won’t do me in, but realizing that this probably won’t happen.

So, with the analogy draw out too long, I say the Jayhawks finish the season at 5-7. However, I think it needs be said that while football is always about winning and minimizing losses, this season is more about developing talent and solidifying a positive culture that, like a magnet, draws recruits toward the promise of success. Turner Gill is the right man to do all these things, and another year or two down the line, the winning will take care of itself.

NDSU: We will win this game by showcasing Gill’s commitment to the run. We will see all of our backs and ease Pick into throwing for a change.
G. Tech: This game will be closer than people think, but we’ll lose. Tech has had its system up for a while now and they’re getting pretty damn good at it. Playing against an option team, the game is all about time of possession and efficiency. Turner Gill teams are good at this, but we won’t be great until next year.
S. MIss.: They’ll avenge last year’s game. They’ll pass all over us but, again, it’ll be a close one.
NMSU: Another real chance to develop the running game and give Pick a chance to hit a few targets again. Win.
Baylor: We’ll win this one after gaining some confidence in the prior game. Nothing crazy.
KSU: As much as it pains me to say it, we’ll lose this one. Their talent is not outstanding, but they have had another year of Snyder imprinted on them.
T. A&M: Loss. They just have more talent than we do, period.
ISU: Win. It may be on the road, but I think we take down the Cyclones and Mr. Arnaud.
CU: We’ll beat Colorado this year. Bank it.
NU: Nope.
OSU: Loss number six, after another south team beats us.
MU: Gabbert will have a field day.

So, 5-7. But this is a development year.

Plus, like we won’t all bleed crimson and blue anyway if they lose every game from here on out.

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Sam Seaborn: Be poets."
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East Coast turned Midwest

by scouted on Jul 12, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I like the 6-6 prediction

Here is my wins and losses prediction, as well as some toss ups:

I think we will beat NDSU and NMSU in the noncon. Really if we lose either one of those games, well…I mean shit.

We haven’t lost to K-State in Memorial since 2003 and I think that continues. KU was a more talented team last year and I still think we are a better team this year. Cats beat a KU team that went on the road to a hostile environment and had completely quit on the season and its coach (and it still was close). KSU scored 17 points on us last year and our D will be better this year. I see KU taking a 28-17 game.

I think we beat Colorado too. Colorado’s offense won’t be that good again and if we limit turnovers and etc they shouldn’t score more than 17 on us.

I think we’ll lose to Nebraska by 20 at best. Just aren’t winning in Lincoln, not with this team at least. I think we’ll lose to Mizzou too, but as we’ve seen before anything can happen in that game.

Also think we lose to GTech. At home helps, and they won’t be as good. Still, thats an early test for this young team. Think we’ll lose a 24-17 game.

The other games are tossups to me. I’d put us as underdogs against OSU and TAMU, but we have both of those games at home. Baylor we could beat, but its on the road and Griffin scares the crap out of me. Iowa State is a toss-up to me. We’ll be underdogs on the road and the last two games against them we’ve thanked our lucky stars afterwards that we won. Southern Miss will be tough on the road too. Another coin flip game to me.

My full prediction for next year with a ton more analysis can be found in the post I did titled “Tired of Expansion Talk? Lets talk some KU FOOTBALL.” I think how we do against the south will be huge. We won’t win all three, but taking two of those three will likely put us in a bowl, IMHO.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 12, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I gonna go with

7-5. I think the GTech will be huge. This game will test our d-line and LB’s early as it will be run, run, run. If we can pull this one off I say it builds huge confidence to go on the road and beat S. Miss. I hope we avoid the turnover plagued games like last year. The north is wide open and I figure why not us, why not now. It would be awesome to close down the Big 12 with the north title. I am ready for the games to start.

by jb4 on Jul 12, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Last season we gave games away...

and this is only as i remember, so take it was you will.

The K-State game was a terrible offensive game. Reesing fumbled the ball within 20 yards of the wildcats endzone twice. The defense held them on one occasion but not the other. that kind of gave the game away.

The nebraska game i also thought our Defense played fairly well, although Huskers didn’t really have an offense. Jayhawks were just going to take the lead and then Meier fumbles when he get’s love tapped in the back while he is going in the endzone for the go ahead score.

The TT game the defense was the only one putting up numbers. Our offense couldn’t do anything! Then on the 4th and 1 play in the 4th quarter ku goes for it and it’s a bad snap and reesing fumbles and couldn’t get the ball to Opurum, who could have easily made that yard. Then Reesing gets benched and Pick plays and Mangino calls just basic run plays so they don’t get blown out anymore. Although Pick made some pretty acurate passes while in a hostile environment but no one could catch the ball.

We all know how the Missouri game ended up, so i won’t even bring that one up. Bad play calling and a lose. Also Briscoe had some timely fumbles to help the Tigers get back into the game also.

Colorado was just an all around bad game. Altough the Jayhawks don’t get the pass interference call in the fourth quarter when it’s first and goal they would have taken the lead. Also i think a couple of run plays to the endzone with Opurum here would have been a good move, but i’m no coach, and that’s just my opinion.

I really think that a stroke of bad luck and some untimely fumbles really hurt the Hawks last year. Also a defensive scheme that just didn’t work out entirely. I bring all these bad memories up to show how close we where to alot of these teams last year. I know we lost some players, but so did everyone else. The cupboard isn’t empty and i can really see TG coaching these players up, and building confidence! RCJ!

by tjr_hawks on Jul 12, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you TJR

I think last year’s abberation can be blamed on:
1. Bad Luck
2. The Team Quitting on Mangino
3. Horrendous Offensive Play Calling
4. Poor Defensive Coaching

I may be drinking the crimson and blue kool aid as well, but I think that all of these areas are going to fixed/improved this year. Sure we may have lost a few key guys, but we also have a huge core of our team returning. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t go to a bowl game, and I’ll be very pleased with anything better than 6-6.

by ISellDrugs on Jul 12, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those four points pretty much sum it up in a nutshell

I agree though ::gulping down koolaid:: hopefully with limited turnovers and improved play from the defense and some fresh blood in the coaching staff results in another win or two overall

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Jul 12, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm confused...

Do people not realize what some of the other teams have?

NDSU- Win – We have more talent and Gill is not a coach to let us overlook anyone

GTech – Loss – I agree that this game will be close and this could be a win especially since its at home, but I think they will be ready for us and play hard.

SMiss – Win – It will be tough, but I think we have enough talent and a great scouting report on them and will take it in a close one.

NMSU – Win – No offense to this team, but they just are not good and like I said Gill will not allow us to overlook anyone.

Baylor – Win – I believe this one will be extremely close and come down to the end, but I feel as though we will pull it out.

KSU – Win – KSU does not have that much talent and we will be hungary for this one. I think the teams confidense will be picking up speed by now and we run away with it.

Texas A&M – Loss – I think because its at home we will take them to the wire, but fall just short.

ISU – Win – I think that we will still have our confidence along with a little anger from the week before and will take one on the road.

CU – Win – I think that we are a better team and will still be upset about last year and them leaving and take this game.
 
NU – Loss – I think it will be a grind it out game that comes to the end, but their defense will just be plain better than ours.
 
OSU – Win – They lost almost everything. They have recurited really well, but I feel as though we will have more experience and walk away with this one.

MU – Win – We will be 8-3 at this point and I cant say enough about confidence. Gill is going to have this team and fan base believing that they can do great things and they will.

Yes I just predicted a 9-3 season, yes I’m very optimistic, yes I think it will be hard, but most importantly yes I really do believe that it is possible. This team is not that bad and this schedule is not that hard. This team has a lot of potential and I think they will reach that potential.

by KUguy28 on Jul 13, 2010 6:33 AM CDT reply actions  

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