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Turner Gill; Another Take on Recruiting

Recruit, recruit...recruit.  One of the top priorities for Kansas coach Turner Gill has been and always will be recruiting.  Early on the Jayhawk staff has seen an early commitment rescinded, the loss of some of the top instate talent and some concern over the caliber and level of talent being brought in.

Perceptions can change quickly.  Over the weekend Turner Gill and the Jayhawks saw their recent momentum continue to build with commitments from two offensive lineman.  One a junior college center out of Texas, the other a high school prospect from California with a laundry list of schools showing interest and an offer from a fairly high profile program in Florida state.

That brings the total to 9 players committed to the new Kansas staff before the month of July hits on the calendar.  Six of nine have already been labeled with a 3 star rating by rivals, the site most often looked to for prospect rating.  One of the unrated players is the recent junior college commit who has yet to be evaluated, the other two are considered under the radar defensive back recruits, both with strong measurables.

Compare where this staff sits versus last year and there is certainly a jump regardless of how strong you consider the current class.  A year ago at this time, Kansas had received commitments from just two, in three star recruits Ricki Herod and Jeremiah Edwards.  Edwards was considered an undersized defensive tackle with the potential to be a sleeper, while Herod was a receiver in an offense with little in the way of the passing game.  That's not a knock on either of them, both have the potential to be solid Jayhawk players; it's just another way to measure this year versus last. 

Last year Mangino and his staff were coming off of consecutive bowl appearances for the first time in the history of the program.  They were entering a year where they were expected to vie for the North title and field the best team in the Mangino era.  Not a bad spot to be recruiting from. 

Currently Coach Gill and his staff are fighting an uphill climb and when you take a step back and view the situation at Kansas for what it really is, they are doing a very nice job.  Sure there are a few players higher profile local players that fans would have liked to see the Jayhawks snag, and yes the group in the fold isn't commanding high level offers across the board.  Still, If the current trend continues and the staff can string together a little momentum to start the season, Kansas will likely be able to put a few last minute feathers in their cap and wrap up a solid class.

It's way too early to declare victory, the players on board will have plenty to prove, but the strength of this staff is supposed to be recruiting.  They are seven committed players ahead of a year ago and without question the Kansas program and athletic department is in a much more precarious situation.  Put together a few consistent seasons and turn the momentum back in their favor, and it will be interesting to see just how good this group can be.

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Wow.

I guess I didn’t realize how many more commits we have this year compared to last. I just have a gut feeling that Gill and Co. will be recruiting lights out for years to come. I do think recruiting to KU right now is tougher than it’s been in a few years and that they are doing a good job so far.

It just kills me to see those in-state guys leave but as of now we haven’t given them a good enough product to really sway them from the big boys I guess. Let’s hope that starts to change.

by freudhawk on Jun 28, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

It definitely stings a bit...

seeing Starling and Phillips go elsewhere and watching Miller decommit, but man if those three were on the commitment list it would completely change the perception of this class.

Hopefully in the future we can get some momentum going and those players will want to be at Kansas.

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by Owen on Jun 28, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

one of the big things is

kids don’t exactly know what to expect, after this year things will get much better i think, they will better know how he runs his O and D

by dester30 on Jun 28, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know that has been mentioned a few times, but I’m not buying that nearly as much as the fact that Kansas needs to show some consistency in the win column. If you have that, the type of offense or defense you run isn’t nearly as important to people.

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by Owen on Jun 28, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the Phil Ford front

and this could apply to Phillips too, are we starting to see the strategy of chasing 5-star recruits from Texas to Virginia backfire a bit?

Ford moreso than Phillips, is a tad under the radar for the big programs but from what I can tell he’s a talented kid and these are the kids that should be our recruiting bread and butter. By ignoring these kids and turning down slam dunk recruiting opportunities for pie in the sky recruits are we jeopardizing the potential of this class?

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by labbadabba on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

i really think the only thing

that was holding ford back from an offer was his weight, they wanted to make sure he was dedicated, now that he has shown it they offered

by dester30 on Jun 28, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weight...

and I believe he has mentioned elsewhere that he has a little work to do on the grade front, nothing that can’t be handled but plenty of programs wanted to see some work and discipline from him which he has shown.

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by Owen on Jun 28, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've also heard

the grades thing a couple of times. Ford mentioned putting a lot of work in the classroom though so it appears to be paying off.

by MitchumMan on Jun 28, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear what you are saying...

and there is a little bit to this, but I don’t know that we really went for too many “pie in the sky” types.

Most of our offers out there were to 3 star players with some 4 star caliber ones as well. Phillips was just a plain miss, but I think with Ford it was a situation where Kansas wasn’t the only one in a wait and see mode.

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by Owen on Jun 28, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

and IF (this is a big "if" because none of us REALLY know exactly what the long-term goals are from this year's recruiting)

but if the long-term goal is to eventually make KU a presence for out-of-state 4 and 5 star recruits, then a Phil Ford casualty (or even Phillips) here and there is not that important. They set their priorities, and a short-term benefit (i.e., a decent prospect that they weren’t particularly enthralled with) came out below the (apparent) long-term plan of making a play for some bigger out-of-state names.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

very possible...

especially when you consider most of our staff probably had little involvement with recruiting the state of Kansas. The relationships and prospects they had been developing were in other areas.

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by Owen on Jun 28, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats a big one

but Gill has made it a priority to make those KS connections, being that every KU assistant has a section of KS to recruit, it wont be long before those relationships pay off

by dester30 on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should qualify “that they weren’t particularly enthralled with” to say that obviously they like him and he seems to have quite a bit of talent, there just were some issues to be cleaned up before they were willing to act.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 28, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know you have no control over this, but

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by Triston27 on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Shouldn't need a few more seasons

Guys, we shoulnd’t need a couple more good season to get attract top tier talent. When we won 20 total games in the 08-09 seasons, we got some pretty good and very sought after players like Kande, Hawkinson, Opurum, Lubbock Smith, Omigie, Linton, etc etc, ( (I know a couple of those guys haven’t played much) so we really do have some talent and depth. I think we go 8-4 and the momentum continues!! Go Gill!!

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by MILFdestroyer on Jun 28, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Plus Mangino's best recruiting classes were the two before he left

We already have a LOT of young talent, especially at the skill positions on offense and DB. If Gill can bring in some solid classes, there is no excuses that we can’t win immediately, IMHO

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by Andrew Clark on Jun 28, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

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