Sport Specific Conference Realignment?
With the first domino falling and the Nebraska Cornhuskers heading to the Big 10, it would appear that we're on the cusp of entering an era of the football SUPERCONFERENCE. If the Pac10 truly extends and receives commitments from six Big 12 schools to join the future "Pac16" it could be very likely that we see other conferences follow suit as the magic number changes.
Football is clearly the driver. High dollar television deals, and big money for athletic departments is at stake. Why though must we continue to drag an entire athletic department along for the ride? If this is about football and every decision made is going to be solely driven by football programs, why can't it affect just the football programs?
For years conference affiliations have run almost top to bottom in an athletic department with the conference affiliation being driven largely by the revenue sports and everyone else following suit. With the loud and clear message being that football is the only sport that matters to the current conference alignment, why can't each sport within each athletic department begin to look out for their best interests?
It's already done in College Hockey where there is no national footprint and it makes more sense to coordinate conference affiliations, tournaments etc independently of the current conference alignment. The Central Collegiate Hockey Association(CCHA) is comprised of several teams that might look familiar. Michigan State, Michigan and Ohio State are three examples from the group that are more traditionally viewed as Big 10 schools.
Need an example at Kansas? How about the rowing team who recently joined Conference USA for a variety of reasons. Who else is in the Conference USA for rowing? Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas State, SMU, Alabama, Tennessee, Tulsa and Central Florida. Not exactly similar to the Conference USA most are familiar with.
Due to logistics, finances and the viability or lack of teams, these two sports specifically are run almost autonomously in terms of their conference affiliations. They are able to seek out and find there best possible scenario and one that aligns with their goals as a program and athletic department.
So why not take this approach across the board? Obviously I'm biased as I'm a Jayhawk. This current situation in football is taking a potentially heavy toll on one of the top basketball programs in the country. I'll fully admit that Kansas football is not the prize and the fact that the Jayhawks are being left out of a conference realignment being driven entirely by the sport is understandable. But let's not punish everyone for the sake of football.
Basketball and every other sport should begin reevaluating and looking at forming completely separate and independent "power conferences" or affiliations themselves. Perhaps the proper place for Kansas football is a modified "Mountain West/Great Plains" conference. At the same time, Jayhawk basketball might be better served in a basketball juggernaut like the Big East. Furthermore your baseball programs, softball programs and other non revenue sports could likely stand down and remain with their current, more geographically oriented alliances which would make much more sense financially.
What sense does it make for Kansas womens soccer or mens baseball to suddenly take there show on the road to the Big East when the sports already operate in the red. I'm not saying these athletes and programs don't have a place, but lets give the teams and the schools and opportunity to do what's best for them on an individual basis.
In the end you get closer to reality with the revenue sports and that's a feeder system for the pros. Let's quit pretending this is amateur hour, give these players more financial support while they produce millions for their schools and conferences and get on with it.
Yes, we are always reminded that there is still a large contingent that "goes pro in something else", but if the moves are all about money it's time to call a spade a spade.
At the same time by branching off with the smaller non-revenue sports you maintain and can continue to provide exactly what they need and foster the true "student-athlete" approach that is probably more often the case in these areas.
I know I'm being selfish and biased here but in the end it would be a shame to see a basketball program like Kansas playing in the Mountain West or whatever it ends up being called, but at the same time I don't think jumping to the Big East feels right for football. With a changing landscape driven by the heavy hitters in the football arena, it's time for a new approach to be taken by those who have some real value to offer, but are being left out of the conversation.
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I like the idea of sport specific power conferences
but it’d never work in football with the current bowl/BCS system in place. They’d have to switch to a playoff for it to work.
the problem is
rowing and other NRS (or ‘Olympic Sports’ as ESPN likes to put it nicely) do that because there is no more competition not every school has rowing, so they have to go outside of conference affiliations to find it.
-academics, which, according to Notre Dame, are more of a factor in this than everyone thinks (right…). Schools want a solid relationship to be able to share resources and research.
Don’t ask me why they can’t just set up a database or phone book and let everyone in the nation work with each other…
-championships. who’s to say that an up-and-coming football or basketball team from a lesser conference couldn’t shake things at the end of the season. What would be the process for allowing them into postseason play?
by mikedrawjayhawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions
this place does automatic grammar correction?
look forward to posting my next term paper…
by mikedrawjayhawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
you prolly put hyphens at the beginning and end of that phrase...
like dis
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Yeah
thats always fun to do
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jun 10, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
your football and basketball postseasons...
could remain setup in the exact same way. I’m just saying that your conferences don’t necessarily line up in both sports the way they do now.
53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
I've been beating this drum for a little bit now and I still think it'll happen in the future.
The Texas/Oklahoma schools are going to get tired of shipping their non-revenue teams all over the western half of the US. Depending on where the other schools end up, they could be in the same situation. Football only playing on Saturdays (occasional Thursday) makes it not as much of a problem.
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Actually,
Notre Dame has made it pretty clear that academics DON’T have anything to do with their decision. ND faculty are on the record as saying they would like to be in the Big Ten so that they could work with those schools in research areas.
The rest of the school has pretty much responded, “shut up, poindexter. Football is way more important.”
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jun 10, 2010 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the new thread
My pos took forever to load the 500+ thread.
Why would separate conferences be anti-academic?
I mean, all NCAA regs would still have to be met. Student-athletes would still be given all the resourxes they need to succeed in the classroom.
I don’t get why changing up who they play would effect any of that?
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jun 10, 2010 10:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
is this a question for me?
or a reply to one of the posts.
53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
It could cut into the slice of what ever
conference media pie we’d get…
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Let's get into this
What would be your ideal basketball conference? How many teams would it have? Why would you pick the teams you have?
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jun 10, 2010 10:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Without picking teams, I'd say 10 teams is the ideal size.
Big enough to play a double round robin with home and home games for each team in the conference. Still have 12 or so games for non-con.
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10 teams isn't enough to get a championship game
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basketball has no restriction.
I’m done with football for the moment.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
by Warden11 on Jun 10, 2010 2:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
colorado
Source confirms colorado to pac ten, press conference to announce today tomorrow
Because
the reason that is done is because not everyone has rowing (or hockey, or wrestling, or rifle, etc.). With basketball, you pretty much can garauntee that everyone has it and that setting this up would strain relationships. It would behard for say, Michigan State to tell the Big Ten that they want to play basketball in the ACC instead because it would diminish the revenue of the conference since MSU is one of the best basketball programs in the conference.
Most conferenceswouldn’t buy it with schools like Kansas because it would be seen as one school wanting the benefit of a conference relationship because the other football schools would raise its’ profile, but not wanting to reciprocate the favor in basketball. I highly doubt anyone would agree to that type of arrangement becuase it really benefits Kansas to a very clear and distinct detriment to the rest of whatever conference they are in.
http://victorypolka.blogspot.com/
Yes…but we’re not talking about Kansas being in a conference where the football profile is being raised. Kansas is looking at a possible major ding to their football profile.
53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
Irrelevant
The reality is that no athletic conference in their right mind would sign off on letting their marquee program play with someone else. It would be like the SEC loaning the new Big XII Alabama for football.
http://victorypolka.blogspot.com/
That's not our proposal
We’re talking about creating a conference of “basketball schools.” You can keep your sumo wrestling style teams- this would feature KU, KSU, Baylor, ISU, Memphis, and some of the best programs from the Big East.
Anyways, since basketball is irrelevant in all realignment talks, it absolutely would not be like the SEC giving up Bama foobaw. The BTN would still have all those coveted tv sets throughout Michigan if Sparty wanted to start playing a skilled style of basketball.
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jun 11, 2010 11:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Kansas to the Big 10/11?
Okay I know there has been alot of speculation about where we will end up. But lets give this a thought?
Could Lew be working to get us into the Big 10/11 with Neb and ND to make it a 14 team conference?
1. Missouri suddenly has seemed to lost all its phone numbers for the Big 10/11 and Im pretty sure they don’t have Missouri’s.
2. Nebraska has always been much closer to us than Missouri and would probably prefer us over Missouri if there was to be 2 Big 12 schools.
3. We help with the KC tv market better than Missouri, plus they already have St. Louis tv market with Illinois.
4. Our Medical and Law schools are well respected.
5. Lew is a shrewed man, and I’m sure if he managed to screw MU once he can do it again.
6. We have huge potential growth in football, remember we just updated our facilites to on par with any in the country.
7. We give the conference a major boost in B-Ball and B-Ball revenue and remember this is about money, they are truely weak in B-Ball except for 1 or 2 schools. So revenue will increase because of that.
8. We have a huge and very loyal fan base. I live in Illinois and I bump into KU people all the time.
9. Lew screwed Missouri once and can do it again.
10. We look like the good guy right now, and appear to be being forced to find a new home so when we decouple from K-state, it will be because we have too not because we want too.
If this senario could even be partially true, then events would have to unfold about how they have so far. If KU would happen to be in discussion with anyone in the Big 10/11 it would have to be very quiet until after NU, CU and the Texas senario’s playout. Thats the only way we could jump to the New Big 14 which would require us to decouple from K-state. The KBOR has to see this as the only way to keep one of the Kansas Schools in a real BCS conference.
So do you think Lew has stolen MU’s Wonka Bar?
what's wrong with KU to the Big East?
they’re a conference created solely for basketball, which KU is all about, and they are halfway decent at football, which means KU should be able to compete there
sounds like win-win to me
Instead of thinking how you can become a member of a conference for only one sport, why not try to figure out what BCS conferences you can join right now? If I were in KU’s position, I’d just be happy to receive an invitation to join the Big East or the ACC. It beats going to Conference USA.
Two main things keep us from dreaming too big about the Big East.
First, it’s a ton of travel. Not so bad for the football and mens basketball teams but I (and I think others agree) think that it’s not feasible to be sending the athletes to the east coast for games all year.
Second, if the Big 10 takes a couple of teams from the Big East as rumored, it’s pretty much a dead conference as well. Doesn’t do anyone any good to get our hopes up about joining another conference that’s going to fall apart.
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How is traveling to the Big East further than the Pac 10?
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jun 11, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not any more travel than the Pac 10
both are tons of travel. That’s why this thread is about sport specific conferences. Think the athletic department wants to send the baseball, softball, volleyball, and other non-revenue sports all over the country?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
It's interesting how foreign this concept seems to be for fans of other schools
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Jun 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
can't say I would be thrilled with
having separate conferences for Bball and Football…
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