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Personnel Clues to the Offense

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Another question surrounding the new Turner Gill led offense is what will it look like.  Formation wise, personnel wise and who's going to get the touches.

Today we dive a little deeper into that question by once again comparing the most recent trends on the field at Buffalo in his only stint as a head coach. 

Star-divide

Once again let's kick things of with a break down of Gill's four years at Buffalo from a statistical standpoint.  We'll take a birds eye view of two categories here, touches and yardage.  Next we'll break those down by the major offensive positions in question and then look for clues.

What positions see the most action?  Not just from the perspective of where the yards are coming from but also where the play calls are going to.  Any hints to his preferences at the quarterback position?  Usage of the tight end?  How about a fullback?  Is there a trend or any conclusion that can be drawn when running through the numbers? 

Year 2006         2007         2008         2009
Position Plays Yardage Plays Yardage Plays Yardage Plays Yardage
Quarterback
Pass Attempts 354 2136 382 2615 471 3326 394 3839
Designed Runs 54 NA 33 NA 43 NA 70 300
Runningback
Runs 278 1082 350 1541 401 1917 335 1691
Receptions 54 285 64 451 73 537 22 195
Fullback
Runs 1 -4 1 1 1 2 0 0
Receptions 5 26 7 48 3 21 2 30
Tight End
Receptions 41 539 24 225 28 247 34 469
Wide Receiver
Receptions 100 1284 167 2521 202 2521 186 2176

 

Trends?  Clues?  Tough call really.  In Gills most successful season of 2008 he pretty clearly had a solid running game and a couple of decent receivers at his disposal.  Again, very balanced.  Surprisingly it marks the year with the lowest production from the tight end standpoint, but that certainly has plenty to do with James Starks and an increased number of receptions out of the backfield.

Tight End

On the subject of the tight end, the involvement of the tight end is fairly consistent.  When looking at the players involved a Gill led team has it's highest production at the position when he had a seasoned player at the position in 2006 and then again in 2009.  Trust is always big with a coach and that would certainly bode well for a junior like Tim Biere who has all the tools and was a focal point in the spring game. 

Another indicator for the position is the fact that Gill started a tight end in every single game during his final two years even going double tight three times from the opening series.  Another indicator of a more balanced attack and a commitment to the run while at Buffalo.    It might mean we'll see plenty of AJ Steward or Bradley Dedeaux and the door is certainly open for two incoming freshman to see the field, but I'd say that hinges on their ability to block more than anything.

Fullback

As for the questions about the fullback position, it's pretty apparent that this isn't a spot we are likely to see a tremendous amount of touches going to.  It appears for all intents and purposes that when the fullback is used, they are being used as a blocker.  Not a bad thing. 

Two other stats related to the fullback.  Starts by a fullback, six total in his final season with the Bulls.  Total games without a fullback seeing the field, only 5 in his four years as a coach.

Quarterback Style

The other question is surrounding our current quarterback battle.  Does Gill prefer a dual threat running type quarterback as his recruiting would seem to indicate, or does he prefer the pocket passer.  Again a bit surprising it appears until his final year that Gill went the direction of keeping the QB in the pocket. 

The jump in play calling wasn't hugely significant in 2009 when he finally had a dual threat quarterback, but the production was.  Perhaps that's why we are seeing such a focus on that style of player in recruiting.  Did Gill like the flexibility? and will it dictate which direction we see the Jayhawks go this fall?

Traditional Spread

One last interesting item of note.  Only once did a Buffalo starting unit in 2009 include a three receiver set.  Obviously starting doesn't necessarily give the best indication of an entire game, but when it's that rare it does give you a sense of what the common sets likely included. 

I'd expect with receiver being a position of strength for Kansas that we'll see more of this than what he used during his time at Buffalo, at some point philosophy or not you have to get the best players on the field.

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But stacked diamond formation

is likely gone.

:-(

I always enjoyed that one.

There simply is no substitute for experience.

by Rivethead on May 12, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

eh...I guess it's possible...

’06 he had two fullbacks that saw regular action. ’07 and ’08 it was one guy pretty steadily and then again in ’08 he went with a two man rotation with one being the guy receiving most of the touches and the other being purely blocking.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the WR formation KU ran a lot

4 WRs set in a diamond shape all stacked to one side.

It wasn’t terribly effective, but it sure did look cool.

There simply is no substitute for experience.

by Rivethead on May 12, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

KUGrad...

always helping to keep the visual learner informed at RCT.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Strange combo

An F-86 out front of an F-15, F-4 and A-10… or, no, wait is that Starscream?

The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986

by labbadabba on May 12, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its a MIG

Ruskies back for trouble

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on May 12, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

strange that they’d have a MiG 15/17 with 3 US cold war-era planes…

I suppose it could be, it’s tough to tell without seeing the tail.

The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986

by labbadabba on May 12, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh...gotcha...

I thought you were hoping for some obscure backfield formation.

Yeah I’m guessing that’s gone, unless Chuck Long influences the decision and brings it back.

Honestly I think Long will have a lot of influence no how we run our offense and I wish I had better data on his time with SDSU and more complete data on his time as the OC at OU. I’ve researched both areas and it’s pretty spotty information unfortunately, just not sure there is really anything that can be concluded from it.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am personally fond of

The three WR, one TE one RB sets we would use a lot in the 2007 (Orange Bowl motha truckas) season. Usually would use Henry, Fields and Briscoe at WR with Fine at TE. I think we could do that this year with the bevy of WR we have (Wilson, Beshears, Patterson, etc) and the Beer man. This formation allows us to get our WR talent on the field and spread out the opposition, but still has a WR for run-blocking, extra pass protection if needed, safety valve etc. We did serious damage running and passing out of this in 07 and I want to see it again damnit. Also can bring a FB in to replace one of the WR which gets a nice little rotation going where we don’t need to sub mass amounts of people for different formations, which should also help disguise play calling and strategy.

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on May 12, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

my guess is we'll see plenty of that due to...

our depth and talent at WR.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

With our recruiting of running backs

I just assumed we were switching to the wishbone.

by Triston27 on May 12, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Triple option FTW

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on May 12, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

why stop at triple?

quadruple option. quintuple option! it’ll be sort of like rugby.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 12, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

Our fullbacks will get more than one carry a year. Maybe not a lot more but I think they will. At Buffalo he may not have had a true fullback who could run or maybe he needed that fullback to help block. It’s hard to say. If Foster was that highly ranked coming out of HS then I could see him getting some carries. That is if he wins the job.

by Rolo on May 12, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree...

there’s no arguing the fact that he had a considerable talent deficit at Buffalo and because of that combined with Chuck Long’s influence I think we’ll see certain areas used more. The big one I’m seeing right off the bat is the tight end position.

You could definitely be right about fullback as well. I’d love to see a few catches out of the backfield and a few quick hitters up the middle from Foster or whoever we go with just to keep em honest. I used to love watching Nebraska run that trap with Cory Schlesinger. He was 20 yards down field before you knew he had the ball.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

NU would quick hit with the fullback and 2 seconds later a safety or CB would be dragging him down from behind way down the field.

Using the TE could really open up the offense this year and it will definitely help our new QB.

by Rolo on May 12, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

for any throwback football fan...

those NU fullback dives were fun to watch.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm from the Al Davis school of thought

Just recruit the guys with the fastest track times around and throw 40 yard fly patterns every play

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on May 12, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are probably too young for this but...

I believe it was Madden ’95 on Sega that you could first create prospects and you ran them through the combine to determine their worth and attributes rather than simply setting them where you wanted.

There happened to be a glitch in said game and if you got two guys on the controls while running the forty you could basically blast through with like a 3.6 forty time. Made a team once…played two player and ran a toss sweep with one playing the role of the pulling guard and another the running back. Our guard was so damn fast we literally could block the entire other team with one player on the edge clearing the way for our ridiculously fast running back to prance untouched to the endzone. Didn’t make for a very fun game, but it was one of those things that we had to be done once it was realized it could be done.

With that in mind it’s always been my belief that if I were to ever become a major college/professional coach. I would want a guard that ran a sub 4 second forty. I’m pretty sure I could be successful with that at my disposal. : )

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha no I do remember something like that

I had a SNES and Techmo Super Bowl III The Final Edition (greatest sports game ever).

On my Madden game I remember there was no Late Hit penalty, so you could just beat the shit out of the other team after the whistle and they would get injured.

I was always the Packers and against the 49ers once, I just destroyed Steve Young until he got hurt, then won and advanced to the superbowl. Not too unlike what really happened in the mid-90s…

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on May 12, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps you remember the original madden...

where the ambulance came out when a player got injured. It was great because a guy could be hurt in a pile of bodies the ambulance would drive on to the field run over everyone throwing them across the field, pick up the injured player and then run over the entire rest of the team again on the way off the field. Greatest glitch ever.

Because words don’t do it justice…here is a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_138p6uzhUk

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 12, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

This was what I was talking about earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2oyQXwhbQ&feature=related

Injuring people after the play. Classic

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on May 12, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, yes they were

I remember play repeatedly during the Nebraska-Miami Orange Bowl, where Warren Sapp would come racing out of the backfield, destroy Tommy Frazier, only to see one of the Mackovickas or Cory Schlesinger standing in the end zone because absolutely NO ONE, not even the cameraman, realized the ball had already gone with the FB.

by PDXJayhawk on May 12, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I hate to do this he said, she said crap

but I’ve gotten word from someone who talked to someone close to the program saying that, early on, the team looks really lost. Slow to pick up on the new schemes, no real leaders, just looking pretty bad so far.

Take it for what it’s worth obviously, it’s only May, but the reality that we could be kind of bad has set in for me. That reality really sets in when I actually process that Todd Reesing is gone. I think his senior season sort of took some of the shine off of his career to fans, but think about it, before he was here we were pretty bad and now we have to replace him which could involve some growing pains.

by I need more Esteban on May 13, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I've felt the same way too

We all try to remain upbeat and optimistic, saying “oh we have talent” “easier schedule” etc.

The cold reality is this team could easily go 3-8…or worse

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on May 13, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm optimistic

My spring forecast has us going 4-8:

Wins over NDSU and NMSU in the nonconference.

Wins over CU and KSU in conference.

It could take 2-3 years to get all the Mangino taint out of the system.

There simply is no substitute for experience.

by Rivethead on May 13, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you're wrong!

But I do know that it’s very much possible this year. Man I hope you’re wrong! haha

by MitchumMan on May 13, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope I'm wrong too!

But the thing that has me concerned is not so much our own team, but how much our opponents appear to have progressed. I honestly believe that from top to bottom the Big XII North will be much better this season than last.

Then, throw in a coaching change and the learning curve that comes with that, then throw in an inexperienced QB, then throw in no LB depth, then throw in no real “leaders” (at least not yet). Mix it all together and sprinkle in the news that our OL isn’t all that (like we hoped) and that Hatch is slow and overweight (as aluded to by Keegan….although who knows how accurate that is)……..bake all that and you get…………a 2010 shit sandwich.

Sigh. Ok. Maybe it really is my own team. But the North will be better next year too.

There simply is no substitute for experience.

by Rivethead on May 13, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I can’t argue with a single thing you said. I just hope we have an excellent chef (Gill) that can turn the “shit sandwich” ingredients into something edible.

by MitchumMan on May 13, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

great, now I have an image ingrained in my

mind that no amount of soap could ever scrub away.

The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986

by labbadabba on May 13, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We should

be able to beat OSU here. They lost a lot of players from last years team.

I don’t agree with the LB depth. Torbush has said on several occasions that he likes the depth there.

by Rolo on May 14, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bet Young will be gunning for us for sure

I don’t know if we will win this game or not. Since it’s at home I give us a 50/50 shot. And the coach has to be positive about the any position depth. He’s not going to say we’re just average or we suck. LB depth is not a plus I can tell you that.

by MitchumMan on May 14, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

OSU this year should be...

a lot weaker as a team than they were in 2009. They lost 16 starters, with 9 coming on the offensive side of the ball and 7 on the defense. Even though they brought in some good talent over the past couple of years, they don’t have hardly any experience at all coming back this year. On paper at least, they look to be in major rebuilding mode this year, more than probably anyone else in the Big 12, and likely could struggle quite a bit. I think that and it being a home game for KU gives us better odds than most people might think. That’s how I see it at least, but who knows until the games start being played this season.

by WildHawk on May 15, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you concern is completely valid...

after the spring game there are plenty of questions, doubts and not a lot of answers. I think this was a team last year that had some lead by example guys but no real vocal leaders keeping the group together. As a result there was a lot of division, complacency and some indifference. This team needs something to repair that or it could be in trouble.

I actually had a little post ready to go for tomorrow on the subject of leadership and how bad this team is going to need it.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on May 13, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

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