Recruiting Chatter: KU v K-State Comparisons
After the Jayhawks took to the field for their spring game this past Saturday, the Kansas State Wildcats to the west would do the same a few hours later. More than a few of the recruits in town to see the Jayhawks would make the trip to Manhattan shortly after to check out Bill Snyder's squad.
With that in mind, it's certainly interesting to get a little comparison of the two. After the jump Jordon McCallister joins Rock Chalk Talk for a little Q&A comparing the two programs and his spring game experiences. It's short, too the point, but also fairly candid. After the interview, a quick sidebar on "sealing the borders" and the local recruiting philosophy.
A quick background on Jordon. McCallister is a 6'3" 300 pound offensive guard prospect out of Junction City. At this point McCallister is receiving interest from a handful of schools but will likely need solid performances on the summer camp circuit to land an offer. That said, we certainly appreciate his time here at Rock Chalk Talk and look forward to keeping in touch with him as his recruitment continues.
Denver
Jordon thanks for your time, to start off how'd the spring game visit go?
JordonIt was a really good visit, I enjoyed myself this whole weekend and I'd like to come back up sometime before the OL-DL camp in June to take another look.
Denver
Now you attended both the KU and K-State games correct.
Jordon
I did. We were up at the Kansas game until about halftime and then we left shortly after to go to Manhattan and get there in time for their scrimmage.
Me
How would you compare the two experiences. Kansas vs. K-State?
Jordon
Overall KSU was a little more in sync with their offense and defense as a whole. KU looked good too, but there didn't seem to be as much intensity from what I saw
Me
what about the overall program. Facilities, coaches, fans, atmosphere? What did you think in those areas when comparing the two?
Jordon
The atmosphere was great for both programs. I'd say KU's facilities beat out K-States with the weight room and overall facilities.
Coach Gill has KU going in the right direction and I do like what I see with the coaches.
At the same time K-state's program is up and coming again for sure and both look tough for this upcoming season
Denver
So in terms of your recruitment. Any offers yet, schools you are most interested in at thsi point?
Jordon
No offers yet, I just got done with my first ACT so that will help. Schools I'm interested in and have heard from are KU, KSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan State, Alabama and UCLA.
Denver
Who's your lead recruiter for Kansas
Jordon
Coach Mitchell is.
Denver
Any feeling in terms of who might offer?
Jordon
I'm feeling K-State alot in general right now.
Denver
Think Kansas could offer after you camp this summer?
Jordon
Yes it sounds like they will decide on an offer based on how I perform at the O-line/D-line camp.
Denver
Well thanks for your time, keep in touch and let us know how things are going and how the camp goes this summer.
Jordon
I will, thank you for your time.
Moving on from the interview I have a few thoughts and questions related to the Jayhawks early recruiting philosophy.
At this point the Jayhawk staff seems to have made it clear that they want to recruit on a national level. It's an interesting goal and one that's hard to argue with as it provides more opportunity to find a higher level of overall talent and you aren't going to build a program entirely of Kansas kids anyway. But does the philosophy risk missing out on the home-front? Especially when your program is still in the infant stages of relevancy?
When Bill Snyder resurrected the Kansas State program he did so with two types of players. One was JUCO talent, the other was hard working talent from around the state of Kansas. I'm not big on JUCO talent, but I'll take the Nick Reid's of the world any day of the week.
Turner Gill's own mentor Tom Osborne consistently brought in state talent to Nebraska, often as willing walk-ons and turned them into contributors. Cory Schlesinger, Joel Mackovicka anyone? Sign me up. At this point, I'm not certain Kansas has the reputation around the state to command an in state player come in, pay his way and walk on.
Even to the east in Columbia, Gary Pinkel started his program out with a clearly defined goal of sealing the borders. He did that fairly well, he's also targeted Texas and now he has a little more ability to get out on a national level and make some noise.
Sure the ultimate goal is to go national, but don't you have to start by focusing on your own back yard? In talking with recruits around the Kansas City area, and the state of Kansas as a whole it's tough to say if some of these guys are getting the attention they probably should.
Maybe a prospect isn't necessarily offer worthy at this point, but certainly if a prospect is being invited to the Nebraska spring game, he should be invited to the Kansas one right? Even in an instance where a player is receiving token interest in the form of a letter a week from K-State, Missouri and Nebraska, shouldn't Kansas be doing the same?
This group has been touted as a recruiting machine. With that in mind I'm excited, optimistic and willing to see how things play out and perhaps my concerns will be proven completely wrong. I just hope we don't abandon altogether the relationships and players in the area that are important.
Even if we ultimately don't plan on making the offer, keep the line of communication open because you never know what type of player might be in the pipeline. Recruiting is sales, it's about relationships. Kansas and this staff have some GREAT ones locally, but I also think they need to work on a few as well.
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I also felt like we lacked a little intensity
But then again it was raining, you can’t hit the QB, etc. Hard to go balls to the wall in that setting, a spring game. Like hearing more about our facilities. That (plus the fact Lawrence is one of the best Big12 towns with Austin and Boulder) should help in the process.
As far as the local aspect, I think we need to wait and see how Gill, Mitchell and Co. do before we can draw any conclusions. If we go out and recruit well nationally and bring in talent, I don’t care where they come from be it Kansas or Pakistan.
However if we DO struggle recruiting wise, then I would certainly agree that more attention needs to be spent on local talent vs. this Umbrella style approach to national recruiting that we seem to be doing at the moment.
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I hear Pasni High has some serious LB studs this year!
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 27, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Low-rents comparable to Boulder? or Austin!?!?!? You’re obviously deficient in intellect if you believe that.
It's very comparable to Boulder...
Boulder just happens to have a mountain backdrop, but nothing about the town has ever struck me as much different from Lawrence, both very good times and enjoyable towns. Unless of course you prefer a higher percentage of protestors, and drug usage…then I can see where Boulder wins out. : )
…Austin, never been so I’ll take your word on it.
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Austin is in a league of its own
Only been to Boulder once. It’s very scenic, but other than that, I was not especially impressed.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Apr 28, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Having lived in Lawrence
during my KU days and now living in Austin, I have a basis for comparison.
Overall Austin wins. But Austin is a college town with a big-city flavor. That’s not suited to everyone’s tastes. Lawrence wins on the small-town charm front easily. KU is way more important to Lawrence than UT is to Austin too….and you can “feel” that.
Austin is more ecletic too: you’ve got college students, government-types, cowboys, artist, business people and uber-smart technologist all in the same town.
Food is better than Austin.
The women are better looking, overall, in Austin (mini skirts and cowboy boots is a look I absolutely love……and you won’t find it in Lawrence).
But Lawrence wins on having the most beautiful campus in the Big 12.
Oh, and Lawrence is a better basketball town too……
Just my $0.02
There simply is no substitute for experience.
That should say...
“Food is better IN Austin”. Outside of Free State Brewery, there’s nothing unique or exciting on the food front (well maybe Yellow Sub too).
There simply is no substitute for experience.
Yeah Lawrence has a TON of restaurants though
which is noice. Mass St, Iowa, 6th, etc there are many. Heck we have like 6 Chinese Buffets (The one when your first get into town on 23rd, two more on 23rd, one on 6th, one on 25th and I think there is another one somewhere too…)
As for the uniqueness yeah, they are all mostly just chains. And yellow sub (while delicious) is not unique. Its planet sub with a different name haha
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 28, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno about the girls part
KU girls, especially sorosties, are smoking hot. We usually make lists of hottest college girls (so does Texas). There might be more down there, but our talent is pretty dang good
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 28, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Throwing this out there...
For what it’s worth I don’t really think Austin cares about basketball too much just as long as it goes to NCAA tourneys, they love football.
And on the 3rd year he rose again...
Don't respond to a troll named jokehawks...
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 28, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
True
His name isn’t sherroncollinsisthebesteverandilovehim
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 28, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going off a poll dumbass
Polled people and the results were:
1) Austin
2) Boulder
3) Lawrence
What city was the college you went to based in?
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 28, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
This is definitely a concern
But a bigger concern, for me anyway, is that I think this recruiting approach is just a symptom of something else. We (KU, specifically Lew Perkins) seems to think that KU IS a big-time football program and that we can simply act like a big-time program, spend money like a big-time program, hope and pray everyone believes we’re a big-time program and – BOOOM! we will become a big-time program.
At least, that’s my perception.
Unfortunately, I don’t think it works that way. But I hope I’m wrong.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
that's an interesting thought....
Now I certainly think it was essential for us to spend the money to show the support, and put ourselves on par to compete in terms of the resources. If we don’t now show the patience to let someone work with those resources then yes it’s a problem.
I have a feeling I already know your response : )
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Oregon's tried this approach.
Who has else has tried it and have any of them built a consistent big-time program doing it this way?
(obviously saying, I agree with your perception about Lew)
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Great example
Oregon is a great example. But they’ve got deeper pockets than KU (thanks to the Nike $$) and a more populated state/region from which to recruit from. The “act like a Big Time program to become a Big Time program” plan might actually work for them.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
Anschutz Entertainment Group $$ > Nike $$
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 27, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Anschutz...
has it’s hand in a whole LOT of other sports organizations and universities as well.
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Minnesota is doing the same
Buying a big new stadium, going after big time recruits. Probably on a bigger scale than we are, to be honest.
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 27, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not worried about him making ties in KS at all
I forgot where I saw it (email or website) but Gill will be traveling all over KS and some surrounding states I believe this summer to different towns/cities for events. At these events he will have other coaches there and they will be talking KU Football and other stuff most likely.
As far as recruiting KS kids, I think he’s doing just that. You don’t want to offer every KS kid, especially at the beginning anyways. You want to show them plenty of attention, letting them know you are interested, but not offering them early unless you have to. Why? Because these kids most likely are drawn to KU and KSU anyways.
Now as far as our scrimmage goes, I don’t like hearing from recruits that KSU had more intensity! In fact, that scares me! The real question, after hearing that, should be is Turner Gill letting these guys have too much fun? I’m all about making a sport fun. Football is supposed to be fun. But football is also supposed to be hard hitting, do whatever it takes to win mentality. So that’s my fear right now.
To anyone that was there?
Did Omigie suffer any consequences for the high-step into the endzone on the 70 yard td catch?
That stuff isn’t going to fly in a real game and supposedly how you practice is how you play.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
Not that I saw, no
But some old guy in front of me bitched about how that would be a flag in a real game, if it makes you feel any better :)
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It would be a flag
Which sucks. NCAA is becoming the No Fun League too.
Having said that, we do need to teach sportsmanship to kids. And college football is played by kids.
(damn that makes me sound old…….oh wait. I am. Nevermind).
There simply is no substitute for experience.
watch the replay...
he high steps because he was getting caught from behind by Patmon…I don’t think it was showboating.
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I still can't believe how open he was
Seems like the play action is going to be a big part of the offense. Still, shame on our DBs for letting him get 12 yards of separation like that. Wonder where the safety was on that too
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
believe it was a 3rd and short scenario...
defense cheated up…offense took a chance.
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Yeah we did the same on the TD to Biere
Was 4th and one I think…
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
In that case.....
no problem. Well, the fact he was caught from behind is a problem, but…….
There simply is no substitute for experience.
He only got caught
because he had to stutter step just a bit to get under the ball. Overall it was a great pass and catch, but he had to slow up a bit to grab it…he’s still plenty fast. I’m sure they’ll get that timing perfect before next fall.
hahaha
I’m not being an ass but I love the fact that you’re always so negative about the football team/players. It’s quite comical
So what you're saying is...
You sat right behind Rivet? Hahahaha
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 27, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was hoping someone would say that
Because thats what I thought when I typed it.
He would reply with a “hey was that guy wearing a blue shirt? Cuz that was probably me…”
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear what you are saying...
and I love the PR tour that’s going on. Hell he’s coming out to Colorado just down the road from me….can’t wait.
My raising the concern doesn’t stem from his relationship he’s developing with KU fans…it comes directly from the mouths of prospects in the state that are a little puzzled by the lack of interest Kansas is showing.
Now I’m not saying we’re neglecting the no brainer offer kids…it’s that middle of the pack, maybe you want to pick them up late or get them in as a preferred walk on crowd. Straight from the mouths of recruits, some are confused by the lack of interest.
Don’t get me wrong I’m still in a wait and see mode and I think we’ll do fine. Still I can tell you there are three examples that specifically come to mind.
One has visited OU, K-State, OSU and Arkansas. Gets regular mail. I don’t believe he’ll ever be offered by OU but the other three might take a shot late. He has yet to hear from Kansas. I’d say at this point K-State is his most likely destination.
Another one has been receiving letters from NU and MU regularly. MU isn’t going to offer, NU might be a stretch, but he was invited to and attended both spring games. Nothing from Kansas.
Last one…would love to go to KU. Until this past month he wasn’t hearing anything. Fortunately he is now. Still Arkansas and OSU had been in touch since February and he was almost resigned to the fact that he would have to go elsewhere.
You don’t want to offer every KS kid, especially at the beginning anyways. You want to show them plenty of attention, letting them know you are interested, but not offering them early unless you have to. Why? Because these kids most likely are drawn to KU and KSU anyways.
You are certainly on point here, but the only reason I bring this up is it seems we’re missing on some and not letting them know we are interested….we need to be doing that at the very least.
Just raising the question for discussion.
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If we miss out on the next Nick Reid
and he goes to KSU…….I’ll be pissed off!
There simply is no substitute for experience.
Only thing I'd say here is
with a new staff, there’s going to be some of that in the first year. Lets just hope it’s not a trend.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
I agree
Most schools starting looking at 2011 recruits while we were still battling for 2010 recruits. This is likely to be the norm for most schools that had coaching changes I would think. I’m really not too worried about it as of right now. I’ll trust Gill & Company until they’ve proven that I shouldn’t.
I've got to make one more point Mitchum...
because I’m not by any means someone who’s trying to bash the program. I am excited about what we have going for sure and in no way do I think Gill is “ignoring” the local guys.
My other point though is that I think part of this could be a result of a staff put in place just this past January. I can cut some slack this year if we weren’t all over the hidden gems of the state because these coaches are still familiarizing themselves with it. Catching up on recruit film, developing those relationships and getting to the recruits takes time. So in that sense I’m willing to give this some time.
I just hope this isn’t a trend over the coming years and that’s the only reason I bring it up.
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They've had 4.5 months
Maybe longer (who knows how long before the actual announcement Gill knew he had the job…..only Gill and Perkins know that).
Maybe my expectations are too high, but I’m of the opinion that they should be well caught up by now. If a kid is being invited to MU and NU but not KU it’s NOT because they don’t know about him yet.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
agreed...
I guess I was more referring to the fact that I was hearing this more back in February. It’s improving of late and I think that reflects the 4.5 months that you speak of. I still hear it some which is why I brought it up today, but there are specific examples of guys that were hearing nothing in Feb, but are hearing plenty now.
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Gotcha.
In that case, then it does makes sense…..they do have to have time to get their feet on the ground.
But at this point it should be full steam ahead.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
In no way have I ever thought you were trying to bash the program
Sorry if my dumb little rant made it sound like that.
oh no not at all...
once the conversation got going I just wanted to make it clear where I stood. It was something interesting I’ve seen lately and I wanted to throw it out there. Definitely think you bring up some great points and I wasn’t “snapping” back. Just trying to put my perspective in context for anyone who might read. You just happened to be the one that I was responding to. It’s all good.
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Psh whatever
Theres bad blood all over this blog now. Only way to settle it is to foight!


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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
no foights here...
and that’s why I grew to like this place. We’ve got everything from from the Kool AID guzzlers to the cynics and all opinions are welcome. Works pretty well all things considered…
: )
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Whatever!
You and me…after school…in the parking lot. You’re going to wish you were never born Denver!
Kool Aid Guzzlers and Cynics...
I wonder which category I fall in. On some topics I’m one extreme and other topics I’m…well the other extreme
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
all are welcome
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ROCK CHALK TALK
ALL ARE WELCOME

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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I can tell by the t-shirt
That’s Brady Morningstar!
There simply is no substitute for experience.
by Rivethead on Apr 27, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
always with the pictures...
and that isn’t very welcoming…makes me feel like some alien is coming over the horizon.
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You are your own category KU Grad
You are unlike anybody I’ve ever read on the internet before. haha
Not sure if thats good or bad
Hopefully both, and thank you sir
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by Andrew Clark on Apr 27, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Never in the gray area.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Gill tweeted this morning ...
CoachTurnerGill
THE JAYHAWKS ARE ON THE ROAD RECRUITING!
about 4 hours ago via web
I have confidence that this staff will find and sign very good classes each and every year. It seems like the last staff ignored half the state of KS every year.
It's definitely a focus of this staff...
and for that I’m pretty pumped. The guy we just let go…no longer was involved in this area all that much.
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This was touched on a bit already
but I would emphasize that they haven’t had enough time yet to really flood the Kansas recruits with attention/visits/etc. The new coaching staff already had their “big board” of players they believe will be excellent players and/or fits, so they’re not going to put those guys on the back burner while they scour Kansas for hidden mid-level talent. Also their connections with high school coaches are going to be out-of-state, so it takes time to develop new relationships with in-state coaches. The new KU coaches have to focus on their recruiting strengths first, which is going to be out-of-state, and if it takes a little while to get back to “sealing the borders” then that’s OK by me (which is an opinion that has already been expressed above, I know).
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
all good points...
the staff minus Reggie Mitchell has all been primarily focused in other areas with their previous positions so it’s good to start with your strengths without a doubt.
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My boss has connections with some of the KC area coaches
from what they are telling him, coach Gill has repaired all of the bridges that Mangino burned.
Considering
Mangino wasn’t really involved in recruiting…..I’m curious as to what bridges he could have burned (or maybe that’s how he burned them…by not being involved?)
Do tell.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
and +1 for Jordon taking time to share his recruiting experiences
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
definitely...
really appreciative of his honesty. A lot of players might not be so candid but I felt like he did a nice job painting a small picture for us.
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That sounds like a pretty exact number
Unlike all the numbers I’ve heard at KU’s. Someone at the KU practice was just like, “I think there’s about 12,000ish or so here. Give or take 4,000.” And BAAAM, you have your number.
Tyler Lockett
went to both the KU and KSU spring game according to Jayhawkslant. He said good things about both programs. As far as KU he mentioned that Gill is high on God and church and Lockett ate the stuff up. As far as the KSU game went, he said he loved the fans there. Many fans went up to him letting him know that they would love to have him there. He also loved that. So after both trips, the Oklahama standout has both KU and KSU high on his list according to his profile on Rivals.
unfortunately, at our spring game
its the fans that paw at the bball players instead.
A change of culture must occur before we can pride ourselves as Jayhawk football fans.
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by labbadabba on Apr 27, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed...
I must say I was pretty annoyed that Conner Teahan got the biggest applause. I mean, I love the kid, but he’s a basketball player and has no real shot at playing QB for KU next fall.
Were you around in 2004-2005?
We went through QBs at an alarming rate….Barmann, Swanson, Luke, Neilsen, Weatherbie, et al.
I wouldn’t say he has no real shot at playing QB for KU. Especially if our line plays as poorly as it sounds like they played on Saturday!
There simply is no substitute for experience.
The last time I heard about fans going up to players
there was a big NCAA announcement about fan interference. I knew most of the recruits on hand at the game by name, stat line, and high school, but I let the coaches do the talking.
Well then it's your bad
for not slipping them an envelope full of cash. To think, we could have got at least 10 commitments… Geez!
Looks like he's KSU bound!!!
Lockett apparently gave his verbal commitment the day after the Spring Game according to Rivals.com. I can’t blame him though when you think about it. Not only his dad but I think his uncle or someone also went to KSU.
Our weak Spring Game atmosphere and fans leaving at halftime of games is what’s going to keep us from ever getting close to an elite status I think. Kids want to go to a school where they can feel the support behind them. Although I don’t think it’s the end of the world that we didn’t get Lockett to chose KU. He could end up being an elite player down the line but there are plenty of other better looking players on the board out there (in my opinion).
that elite status is always (well maybe not always) going to be built on doing more with less
a la Louisville, Stanford, South Florida (or even Mizzou) during their mini-runs
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
First JUCO player offered by KU,
that I’m aware of, took place today. An Offensive Guard by the name of Jacob Fahrenkrug, from Wahpeton, North Dakota. He appears to be a highly regarded JUCO player considering some quality schools have offered/are recruting him.
I like his name. He sounds like one of the big ole quasi-Canadian earthmover
type of kids.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
Agreed - good O-Line name
nice and Nordic. Fetch also agrees.
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some real nice offers there
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You know what?
Kansas historically has incredibly weak high school football. Maybe it’s gotten a little better recently- haven’t followed it in several years. But if kids are getting useless stationary from Misery or the Husk-Guys that won’t lead to anything…who really cares?
Right now we’re focused on nationally notable talent…the kind of talent that could take us to a consistent elite level. For those that we miss on, those “Rudy” types will probably still be around. Nick Reid was great…but that’s only one guy.
You can never have too much talent.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Apr 27, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
If I were to take you and Rivet and put you in a room...
I think I’d end up with some cross between the Kool Aid guy and a rain cloud… : )
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I'm not as chubby as the Kool Aid guy.
But I do have his smile.
And I say “Oh yeah!!!!!” a lot too.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
That "one guy" was Big Twelve Defensive Player of the Year.
There is only ONE of those a year. And KU has only ever had ONE of those kids……
In fact, he’s the only KU player to ever have his name on the back of a Texas Tech jersey too :-)!
There simply is no substitute for experience.
KS HS football should be improving
given that the KSHSAA no allows for spring football and additional practices in the Fall.
That said, KS has the smallest population of any state containing more than one D-I football program…
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and our best talent gets poached...
by Oklahoma and Nebraska.
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Not true, but...
point taken. Since Arkansas and Mississippi passed up Kansas in population since the 2000 census according to the current estimates, now only New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, and Idaho have smaller populations than Kansas and 2 or more D-1 football programs. New Mexico Nevada, and Idaho all have 2 D-1 programs and Utah has 3 and all 4 states have smaller populations than Kansas.
We don’t have a Texas sized population to recruit from and have to make the most of the instate talent we do have as well as bringing in out of state talent. But the level of play in Kansas high school football has gotten better and a lot more serious in the past several years from what I can tell from people I know with kids in high school playing football now.
I guess you're right...
I swear I remember reading that somewheres though…
You can also add West Virginia to that list.
Maybe it was the smallest state population with two BCS programs…
The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986
Could be...
I don’t think there’s more than 1 D-1 program in West Virginia though and my mistake, Arkansas only has 1 D-1 program so it wouldn’t matter even if they didn’t just pass Kansas up in population in 2008. People are moving to Arkansas at a higher rate? Really?? I guess it’s all the Walmart expansion.
I could believe people moving to Ark at a higher rate,
the NW corner has exploded. Though that’s been slowing (like everywhere else) the last couple of years.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
There are some great areas...
in NW Arkansas
53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
And easy to see how their total population is growing more than Kansas.
The NE part of Kansas and Wichita are still growing, it’s just still Kansans moving to those cities from the rural parts of the state. NW Arkansas/Wal-Mart is pulling in out of state people.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
True, I have a high school friend who now lives and works in NW...
Arkansas for the Walmart people and he said the same thing. It was really booming in that area. To think if you go just a few miles East to North Central Arkansas you can visit the home of the KKK too! ha! North Central Arkansas is a SCARY place if you’re not from there! The rest of the state outside of the NW part doesn’t do much for me either. It’s alright, just nothing there that would get me to want to move there.
I've heard that Wal-Mart requires everyone
they do business with to have at least a regional headquarters within 10 miles of Bentonville. That was a Sam Walton thing because he wanted that area to grow.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Brody Eldridge just drafted to the NFL out of OU.
Wasn’t recruited as a football player until he ran a 51 second 400m at the state track meet…Kansas was never interested in him. K-State had a good run of Kansas kids when they were very good. There are a few every year and if you can’t get them, how are you supposed to get the top talent from Texas or Florida?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Easy
You “act” like a big-time football program and then the kids in Texas and Florida automatically want to come to your school.
Sorry….couldn’t resist.
There simply is no substitute for experience.
Well, we have to hope that's how it works.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
my support for the "act like an elite program" strategy
(as far as we understand it) is that you are going to be big time, you have to carry yourself like you’re big time. That’s not pretending to be something you’re not; it is presenting yourself as you know you could be. To coin a tired phrase: Dress for the job you want, not the job you have.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Shit we won the fooking Orange Bowl two years ago
I’ll act big toime… kind of. I don’t care if it was a fluke or what happened, but it was freakin awesome and its something none of our rivals have had in a while. Crap OU can’t win a BCS game and they are in one almost every year.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Apr 28, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess OU got a little bit of pay back today for...
successful recruit raiding another state. One of the top linemen in the state of Oklahoma, Garrett Gladd, just committed to Stanford and he had an offer from OU. I think he also had a KU offer though.
Yeah, but can you really blame someone for taking a free Stanford education?
Odds are that he’s not going to the NFL, so why not get the best possible education that you can get?
He's supposedly one of the better linemen in the country and...
he’s probably got just as good of a shot at the NFL as virtually any other really good lineman does. Yes, Stanford has one of the best academic programs in the nation, but most don’t choose them over the Oklahoma’s, Texas’s, or Florida’s of the nation and especially an instate kid with an offer from one of those types of programs. Maybe it’s a tiny taste of their own medicine.

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