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Depth: Part 2 (Who Coaches it Well)

In the first installment of the two part series on depth, the background of depth ratio was discussed and we looked at how Bill Self teams compared to Tom Izzo teams.  For whatever reason, their profiles are almost complete opposites in terms of post-season success and depth ratio.  To extend on the depth talk for one more post, lets look at some of the individuals that have came through Lawrence since Bill Self became head coach.  One thing I like seeing is a guy that first shows up in the 8th or 9th spot and then shows up again later in the 1st or 2nd spot.  In my mind, this shows a coach that is recruiting guys to play for three or four years and developing them into essential parts of the team.

To review quickly, we're looking at the combined numbers of a team's top two minute earners divided by the team's 8th and 9th guys in minutes.  Remember a low number means they not only play a full 8 or 9 guys but also don't rely on their top guy to play an insane percentage of minutes.  So low numbers should equal good and high numbers should equal bad in theory.

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03-04 04-05 05-06
Miles 84.5 Miles 81.3 Rush 79
Langford 79 Simien 73.1 Robinson 70.9
Hawkins 21.9 Robinson 19.9 Moody 29.4
Moody 13.2 Galindo 18.8 Jackson 26.5
  06-07   07-08   08-09
Rush 80.4 Chalmers 72.7 Collins 87.5
Chalmers 72.2 Rush 70 Morningstar 75.7
Jackson 38 Stewart 23.8 Little 20.9
Stewart 11.3 Aldrich 20.5 Releford 16
  09-10        
Collins 81.9        
Henry 68.3        
Reed 38.6        
Robinson 16.3      

 

  • Brady Morningstar was second on the team in minutes last year?  I forgot how often he was on the court last year.  He was 7th in minutes per game this year.
  • I count three players that first show up in the 8th or 9th slot and then move up in a following year.  First is Russell Robinson, in 2004-05 he was the 8th guy.  The next year he was second and then was jumped by Chalmers and finished 3rd in minutes played.
  • Darnell Jackson started out as the 9th man in 2005-06 and then moved up the next year to 8th.  The year after that, he was 5th.
  • The last guy to show up at the bottom and work his way to the top is Cole Aldrich.  2007-08 season had Cole getting the 9th most minutes.  He never made it to the top 2 but I think we'll take his progress.

Who Handles Depth Better?

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Seriously.  Lets take a quick look at Missouri during Mike Anderson's tenure.  Maybe I'm still bitter about the recent loss but I'm convinced that nobody does more with less than Mike Anderson.  Here's the Missouri depth ratio numbers below along with the player's offensive rating. 

Missouri09-10O-RatingKansas09-10O-Rating
Zaire Taylor 67.7 108.4 Collins 81.9 113.7
Keith Ramsey 66.6 106.7 Henry 68.3 112.7
Justin Safford 40.9 100.1 Reed 38.6 136.2
Miguel Paul 27.4 110.3 Robinson 16.3 87.9
  1.97 Avg 106 DEPTH RATIO 2.74 Avg 112.63
           
  08-09 O-Rating   08-09 O-Rating
DeMarre Carroll 70 118.4 Collins 87.5 108.6
Zaire Taylor 65.9 114.7 Morningstar 75.7 113.2
Keith Ramsey 34.1 113.2 Little 20.9 109.2
Miguel Paul 28.6 90 Releford 16 97.1
  2.17 Avg 109   4.42 Avg 107

 

Seriously, Mike Anderson knows how to use his bench and get production out of them.  Elite 8 in 2008-09 with Miguel Paul playing 28.6% of Missouri's minutes?  Does anyone here really think Kansas wouldn't have been a better team in 2009-2010 with Mike Anderson coaching?

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hmmm...

I’ll admit I was curious who does it better, and this was my initial suspicion. Sadly this might not be the only thing we can take from the Tiger program.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen on Apr 1, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

i would have liked to use more players

but i would NOT take mike anderson over bill self.

by nugyt on Apr 1, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

You've just gotta kind of think about it.

The name and association aside, he gets it done. HCBS has somewhat underachieved at KU in every year but 1, possibly 2 depending on how you feel about last year.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not even.

Just think about it. If you looked at them from a Coach A and Coach B without names and only numbers, you might think differently. He just gets it done.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Apr 1, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Self's 6 strait conference titles

And National Title beg to differ, IMHO

Anderson’s teams will always be top 5 in the league likely.

Self’s teams will always compete for titles

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Apr 1, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

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