The Pressing Question
As we here at RCT are still trying to figure out what went wrong on Saturday, I've been tasked with handling the issue of whether or not Kansas should have pressed earlier in the game. It's a question that came up during the game from multiple people and outlets. Jason Whitlock tweeted the following:
Kansas, Tweeps, what do we think of Self's refusal to press this team!
He wasn't the only one asking, two minutes before that, Nate Bukaty on twitter:
It feels like KU waited about 10 minutes too long to start pressing.
and one more from the game thread:
Why isn't Self pressing this team?
So the question was out there during the game and it was out there before the game. We knew Northern Iowa did a few things very well. They held on to the ball, they didn't foul a lot, they shot free throws well, and they always controlled the game with their tempo. A lot of people felt Kansas could use their superior size, strength, and speed to push the Panthers with full-court pressure. Lets look at some of the pro's and cons of employing a full-court press against Northern Iowa.
Reasons to Use a Press
Full court pressure serves many purposes in basketball but one of the most obvious is that it can force the opponent to move faster than they like or are used to moving. When teams start moving faster than they can handle, they turn the ball over. Look at Missouri, they led the Big 12 opponent turnover percentage during conference play mainly because of their speed and pressure. For a recent and relevant example, Northern Iowa turned the ball over only four times in the entire first half against Kansas. In the first 17 minutes of the second half, Northern Iowa turned the ball over once. Though in the last three minutes, they turned it over three times mainly against full court pressure. Think anything Kansas did in those first 37 minutes made them really uncomfortable?
Full court pressure carries the added benefit of speeding up the play of the game. When teams are being guarded full court, they lose the ability to walk the ball up the court on offense and pass it around the 3 point line to eat shot clock. This leads to more possessions and if you're turning your opponent over, an advantage for the pressing team. Going into the game, Kansas was the number 1 offensive team according to Ken Pomeroy and Northern Iowa was 59th. More possessions should have favored the better offensive team. According to Statsheet, each team had 62 possessions. Kansas allowed Northern Iowa to control the game with their refusal to use defensive pressure.
One more reason Kansas could have pressed Northern Iowa was to exploit the physical differences between the two teams. The guards for Kansas were quicker, stronger, and bigger than Northern Iowa's. A little bit of full court pressure would have been a way for Kansas to use that to their advantage. Not only could this have helped change the tempo and turnover aspect of the game, it could have had an added benefit of wearing down Northern Iowa. All year long we talked about the depth of Kansas and how athletic some of the players were. Run some bodies out there and get to their bench. Would anyone be scared of KU's bench against UNI's?
Reasons Not to Press
Very few teams in Division 1 basketball employ full court pressure for large amounts of time. One of the first and most obvious reasons is that being that aggressive on defense can lead to fouls. In fact, that was one answer Bill Self gave when asked why he didn't use more pressure. The early fouls in the first half knocked the defense back on its heels. Self admitted he didn't want to the additional risk of fouling and putting Northern Iowa on the free throw line. In my mind, that's a fair point. Northern Iowa is the 7th best free throw shooting team in the nation and KU had 6 fouls with 11:44 left in the first half. Do you really want them on the line for free throws because of a foul 75 feet from the basket?
A second potential negative of full court pressure is the possibility of giving up easy baskets in transition. Teams that can handle the ball well and pass the ball well can get a lot of lay-ups and uncontested shots. Think back to Missouri in Lawrence this year. Kansas turned the ball over on 31% of their possessions in that game yet still scored more points per possession against Mizzou than they did against Northern Iowa. The same was true in Columbia. Kansas on the other hand, held their Big 12 opponents to less than a point per possession without using full-court pressure! If they could play that defense against the Big 12, why would they need to resort to a press against a Missouri Valley team?
Adding on, Kansas isn't a full court pressure team for multiple reasons. They probably used more full-court pressure in the game against Northern Iowa than they did the other 35 games combined. Those teams that press, it's who they are. They work on it every day during practice and review it on film constantly. It's not as easy saying "ok, we're going full-court" and then the players go out and trap, rotate, and recover properly. If the team is still struggling to rotate properly in the half-court at times, what makes anyone think they could come close to handling the different and more difficult aspects of doing it full-court?
Finally, Kansas was the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament without using full-court pressure this year. They came out and started slow but couldn't use the pressure because of foul trouble in the first half. They could have tried it at the start of the second half but what happens if they give up two lay ups or dunks to start the half? Now it looks like you panicked and still couldn't stop the Panthers. As the number 1 team, Bill Self gave his team a chance to do what they've done all year. He let them continue to play how they have because the track record said they would make a run and turn the game around. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way and we're stuck with a question that really can't be answered.
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The question of pressing or not pressing sooner
is something of a red herring (as you acknowledge). It wouldn’t have been an issue had the Jayhawks not turned the ball over on a quarter of their offensive possessions or had they guards capable of pushing the tempo off of Northern Iowa’s misses and creating quality shots for themselves or their teammates.
Self’s not going to adopt a full-court press. His defensive philosophy (uh, defensibly, in my opinion) takes a certain number of opposition turnovers for granted (due to the nature of college basketball) and accepts those, forgoing the risk of giving up easier shots in failed attempts at forcing turnovers, for depressing opponents’ FG% and OR%.
Dude - thank you.
this all made sense even to my feeble basketball brain. I’m going to Rec this post as many times as I can.
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agreed
if he’d pressed early and still lost, we’d be asking the same questions in reverse
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
Hindsight is always 20-20 but here is what I thought
We absolutely should have pressed and I’ll give you me reasons:
1) Despite not doing it often, when we do press it was been very successful. Look at the TTech game to open Big12 play at home for us. Our full-court press drove them insane.
2) Self had a prime example of how it worked from the previous game. UNI really struggled whenever UNLV sped them up. I watched that entire game and it was extremely obvious. If UNI struggled with UNLV pressing, playing quicker etc how would they do any better (if not worse) against KU’s athletes?
3) There is no fatigue factor. If we have to play again in two days I’m not in favor of pressing but this was to reach the sweet 16 with several days rest. Attack.
4) I am against using the press all the time and think you got to pick your spots with it but this was one of those “spots.” A less athletic team that relys on threes and fundamentals? Struggled with it two days earlier? Jesus what more do you need to know? Plus KU ISN’T Mizzou. We don’t press often so there is little tape of us doing it, likely not in or very high when coaches are scouting us, etc.
5) Outside shooting wasn’t working at all. Again kind of a hindsight thing but it was apparent early and often that we weren’t hitting from outside. In a game like that points are a premium and if we can’t hit shots, you need a way to generate points and possessions.
To follow that up, I’m growing more and more frustrated with how Bill Self coached teams always adapt to other teams’ styles and we enforce a game plan on someone else. This works to our advantage most of the time (we played UNC’s fast up and down pace in 2008 and slaughtered them, our defense and overall talent usually helps us win grind it out games, etc) but sometimes it really bits us in the ass like Saturday. I’m starting to wonder if KU really does have an “identity” or are we just a balanced team that takes what the opponent gives us and wins most to nearly all the time?
Shit happens when you win championships
Counterpoints
1) It worked against Texas Tech, they’re in the NIT. Does that mean it would work against UNI? Have they used a full court press against a successful team this year?
2) When was he supposed to install the press between the game on Thursday and the game on Saturday? The 30-40 minute practice on Friday. UNLV is also a pressure team, they’ve worked on it all year long.
3) I agree and it’s one of the reasons I used to support the pressure. Not to mention, Kansas had a deeper bench.
4) I’d counter with- what spots in this game gave the opportunity to press? After they were in the 1 and 1? Or to start the 2nd half when you’re only down 8 and have every reason to believe Kansas would make a run to decide the game? If you press then, what do you do with Aldrich?
5) Again, I generally agree with you. But those early fouls really took a lot of steam out of the intensity and pressure on defense (in my opinion).
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People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Also, the press worked so well late for one primary reason
NIU was attacking it looking to maintain possession, not to score. Thats why presses are more effective at the end of games (and to a lesser extent, the end of a half) and that’s why it looked so great.
by 2.1 seconds left on Mar 23, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think too much is made of the foul situation
We could still press, if we pick up another foul or two so be it. At least we are being proactive. It beats (IMHO) standing around on offense and watching Sherron and Tyshawn miss three after three after three.
I guess an overall theme to my argument is that I never had that “ok we will pull out of this feeling.” To compare, when we played TAMU in the semis of the big12 tournament even when we were down I kept thinking “we are playing well, we will wear them down in the second half.”
Against UNI it was apparent early that our offense was in a funk and that they were going to hit shots. I guess I felt like why not try and spice things up and change the game. At least go down swinging.
I’d also counter your counter points (that made me laugh) by pointing out that UNI does not make mistakes in the half court set. They just don’t. And they shoot well, etc. This is another reason why I felt like we needed to do something different. Once we got down, we were down to the absolute worst type of team to be down to. They weren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot. I felt like with the press at least we were the ones taking the shots. Do that rather than trade baskets back and forth and stay down by 7 points.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Mar 23, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They aren't really a great shooting team.
128th in eFG%, 106th in 3 pt%, and 184th in 2 pt%. Free throws are about the only thing they shoot well consistently.
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People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Well they were shooting fairly well that day
and I meant everything more from an offensive standpoint. Like I said earlier we needed more possessions and a chance to run because we were ice cold from outside and the offense was stagnant.
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by Andrew Clark on Mar 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What about just pressing in the half-court
It seemed we might have been able to speed up the game with less risk if we double-teamed more like in the K-state games. Or alternatively, we could have tried a “junk defense” (triangle and two) so we would have had more bigs in the post to get some of the several offensive rebounds UNI was able to corral.
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Good points.
I really think the 6 fouls early took the wind out of their sails and handcuffed them defensively.
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That is what I was thinking.
You don’t have to press full court to increase pressure. You can institute a half-court trap and achieve many of the same goals as a full-court press w/o all of the down-sides. The biggest threat in a half-court is that the trap is broken and the team ends in a 4 on 3 scenario. But with Cole protecting the basket this is a risk I would take.
Like others have said, it is tough to be critical of KU’s defense and Self’s coaching because of the success it has had. I would like to see KU have the means of forcing more pressure on defense when we play a team that is clearly doing a better job of playing possession to possession basketball. We always have the athlete’s for it.
Thank you Denver
Glad to be here. I live just south of you in the Springs.
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good deal...
guess you’d be good to go for the Rock Chalk Talk golf summit here in Colorado then : )
53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!
Golf, huh?
That would be great! I’m always up for breaking some windows! Let me know the details Denver.
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I don't think the fouling would have been a huge issue
if we would have played more guys for more of the year.
The point of pressing UNI, to me, wouldn’t have been to turn them over. It would have been to for one speed them up (so what if you give up an open jumper? If they miss it you have a run out and maybe an easy two, if they make it you push it up the floor) as well as tire them out. They played more guys than they usually do on Saturday, but they usually only give 7 guys big minutes. If we pressed them coming up the floor every possession, that tires their guards out and we could have pulled away in the 2nd half.
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"So what if you give up an open jumper"
I find it difficult to believe you’d be able to convince Coach Self with that argument.
by 2.1 seconds left on Mar 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
well I know you wouldn't
but it’s not like you would give one up every possession, and you wouldn’t do it against every team, but against shallower teams I think it makes sense.
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In a side note
Rivals is reporting that Self says Xavier is ready for the NBA if he wants to go. Don’t know how much that will impact his decision, since I feel it’ll come down to how much he thinks he can improve with another year in college, but thought it was worth noting.
Link here.
by 2.1 seconds left on Mar 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
it’s strange to hear him say that. I never thought of Self as a man to support One-and-dones.
Kind of makes me wonder if he wants Xavier to leave because of chemistry issues.
I really like Xavier, he seems like a solid guy and basketball player, but it always looked like he was too attached to his brother, and never really bought into the whole team vibe.
No -
Self has only ever been honest with his kids. If he feels they’re ready he will tell them. Self is a straight shooter, part of that trust he builds is why he’s such an excellent recruiter. If HCBS believes that X is ready for the NBA, then he’s being truthful nothing more nothing less.
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and it was probably understood between Self and X that
X was almost certainly going to leave, so Self gains cred by “giving a blessing” even though it was already going to happen. And the better X looks, the higher he gets drafted, and the better KU looks.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Golf, huh?
That would be great! I’m always up for breaking some windows! Let me know the details Denver.
Once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk
TT, Sherron, Brady 0-12 on 3's.
To my mind it pretty much begins and ends there.
I’m not sure HCBS can be blamed for not seeing into the future to know that these guys weren’t going to hit any of the damn things.
by sax solo on Mar 23, 2010 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Can't agree more.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Absolutely
Those guys go 2-12 and it’s a totally different game. Not saying we win, but those guys pulling a collective Clarence Gilbert really changed the complexion of the game. Every time T2 shot, you knew it was going to brick. Every time. Very frustrating.
Well, that sucked.

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