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The End of the Road

I, like you, can't fathom that it's over now. Not yet. The initial shock is still over-riding anything else. It wasn't supposed to end like this, but ya know, that's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. We saw how near-impossible it is to win a national championship in 2008; how everything has to come together perfectly and align perfectly for it to happen.

I haven't got much to offer in way of analysis now. We've got the next six months to do that, so here's your thread for the rest of Saturday's games and a place for postgame discussion.*

Also, hats off to Northern Iowa. They played as near flawless as anyone could hope to against such a deep and talented team. You could argue at times that they wanted the loose balls more, were more decisive in their decisions and were never rattled, even when Kansas got it down to one in the final minute. Maryland or Michigan State are going to have their hands full next Friday in St. Louis.

 

*And, keep it clean and classy, folks. RCT is a classy blog thanks to the way it is run and the members that make up its community. Don't believe me? Check it here. It will stay this way. Warden and/or myself will be around monitoring and weeding out any over-the-top bashing or degrading of Kansas OR Northern Iowa.

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I will say one thing

Ali Farokhmanesh is the reincarnation of Gerry McNamara.

Oh my dear lord...this is RETARDED boss...

by tequilaprophet on Mar 20, 2010 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

damn that's a great comparison

Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "[my most important sabermetric stats are] runs scored and runs driven in"

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 21, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it?

Frickin’ bane of our existence then comes back to haunt us in the exact same way.

Oh my dear lord...this is RETARDED boss...

by tequilaprophet on Mar 21, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Curse of the Mangino?

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by Jason Kirk on Mar 20, 2010 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha, funny, but unlikely.

Just got outplayed. We were beaten three times this year and were outplayed in all three.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That really, really sucked.

I spent an hour this morning working on a post for the middle of this week that was going to show why Kansas was the favorite to win it all.

Two minutes ago I just deleted all of it.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course.

Tell Denver to dock my pay.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, that I should get it.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again this team showed heart.

With everything going against them in the game, they managed to scape back and make a true game of it (the last 2 minutes). Too bad that desperation didn’t show up with 5 minutes to go?

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

True. It seemed like the intensity really picked up once they decided to go full court.

And Self is going to have answer for why it took so long for him to give it a shot.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least KSU and BYU should be a great game.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

It all becomes too hard for me to even watch

Once Kansas is out, especially in a loss like this.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 20, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Although, I’ll attempt my best to keep RCT running smooth.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other news,

Washington got me 11 more in the WBC. Lead extended. yay

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Don’t worry. If Kentucky wins it all, it will be vacated in a couple of years.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You guys know me, I’m not a KU basher or a troll, so take what I’m about to say with a grain of sald. But that preformance by Kansas tonight reminded me of the Kansas teams during the Ole Roy era. Very talented, but always clutching their throat in the tournament. This team specifically reminded me of the 96-97 team that lost to Arizona.

BTW, 10-0 BYU

Jimmer!

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

it's funny you say that,

because I said that earlier this year on this very site. another comparison would be the ‘95 Chiefs. always living on the edge, the shit they pulled during a regular season doesn’t work when you’re in a one and done tournament and you’re getting everybody’s best shot.

This team was not tough or talented enough.

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 20, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

the sad part is...

Bill Self led teams seem to be developing a pattern of choking more than Roy’s teams. Bucknell, Bradley and now this…minus ‘08…we’ve never exceeded expectations. Gotta do better than that.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh he kinda has a point

2008 was TITS but otherwise we haven’t done shit in the tournament. Two elite 8 runs which were nice but then two first round loses (inexcusable) and this year (even worse than the first rounders).

Its almost getting eerie how we just beat the living shit out of the Big12 every year but stumble in the tourney afterwards.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like Denver has a legitimate criticism here.

I mean, do you ever wonder how things would be different if Mario had not hit that 3-pointer?

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

or if Davidson had hit theirs...

I’m not here to say that we should fire him or ever even consider it, but he seems to be an absolutely INCREDIBLE regular season coach, but something misfires in the tourney sometimes.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah we wouldn't have won a NC

but then you also have to say… what if Simeon hits the last second shot against Bucknell? It works both ways, you can’t just single out that shot.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might be overly harsh...and don't get me wrong I love having Coach Self.

but the fact is, this team was going to be and will be judged on the tourney…it was a failure.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look deeper

The 2004 team was not particularly deep. Simien was a stud, but Miles couldn’t drive, and we didn’t have great perimeter play, at least it was never consistent. The 2005 team had a bunch of freshmen, and lost to a Bradley team that went a fair bit deeper into the tournament. We sandwiched Elite 8 appearances around those two losses, then a Title, then a Sweet 16. This loss sucks, but it’s not a trend. I agree this team just seemed to lack a little grittiness, after Collins. If we played with K-State’s intensity for 40 minutes we’d be un-freaking-stoppable. Good squad coming back next year, though.

by luvthosehawks on Mar 21, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

welcome to the site...

and yes I think each loss has to be taken in perspective.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, seriously...

…I’m an Iowa fan (so I was rooting for UNI since they’re the only good team in our state) and didn’t believe this was possible, but I knew you’d be playing a tough UNI team. I didn’t think they could take it to you for all 40 minutes, but these things happen in the tourney.
However, you should NOT be complaining about your tourney performances (lest you sound like an Ohio St fan). You could be in Iowa’s position. Y’all are in good shape, and you’ll have another crack at it next year while some schools struggle to even have a legit program. Don’t despair- – I know it’s hard when you’re the favorites, but…
Just remember, there’s a reason it’s called March Madness. It looked like Kansas thought they could take the day off, and they paid the price (mainly because UNI showed up bigger than anyone could have expected). Chin up, you’ll probably be a front runner again next year.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gerry Mcnamera was a very accomplished college basketball player. He won a national title and multiple Big East titles. This kid is a fly by night.

I also must say this. I saw this coming for Kansas. They lacked toughness to be honest. Losing to Tenn when all’s they had were freshman and walkons was a big sign for me. Aldrich sitting on the bench as KU struggled to stay alive in the last minute is symbolic of Kansas season for me.

by Upstait on Mar 20, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I also must say this. I saw this coming for Kansas.

I kinda think we all feared it in the back of our head all through conference play.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to disagree, toughness is not what this team lacked.

They lacked focus and concentration, but never toughness. Otherwise they would have packed it in by half-time instead of making a game of it in the end.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree MJ.

Our weakness all year has been being sloppy and letting teams stay close before we pull away. We’ve shown lots of toughness when it mattered(winning the Big 12 by 4 games) but we simply let UNI control the game for too long. We made a run late, but we had no margin for error, and UNI made enough plays late to hold on.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw it coming

Was a horrible sign that they struggled so badly to beat Texas Tech and A&M in the Big 12 tourney, and then let Lehigh hang around so long. You’re right. They just refused to go out and smack people in the mouth in the first 10 minutes.

by luvthosehawks on Mar 21, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Northern Iowa is my new favorite to win it all

Incredible defense and one of the best pure shooters in the country.

As for Cole, he seriously needs to reconsider whether he is ready for the NBA. His pan hands cost us at least 5-6 possessions.

by Nick Britt on Mar 20, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

screw that

i know i’m probably in the minority, but i for one am a little sick and tired of underdogs…if they (UNI) were so goddamn good they should have done it all year. you’ve got a guy that SHOT one three-pointer all year, and he MAKES two in the first half. they will fade into the background after this game like all the other lilliputians.

kansas needed to play one of it’s better games today to win, and it played one of it’s worst. the lack of effort on rebounds was pathetic. instead of crying, they should really feel some remorse for not wanting it more. if they take UNI seriously and play average to above average, they are moving on.

that being said, thanks to sherron for an incredible 4 years. what he did in ’08 defies words. good luck in the NBA, Sherron.

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 20, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

and one of those games was when Egsl.....

was suspended, right?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

then why

are they a 9 seed?

"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Mar 20, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a really good question.

Mainly a terrible strength of schedule.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

See I never got that

THey lost 4 times all year. Southern Illinois was a 4 seed when we hit them 3 years ago from the same league and a similiar record

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because the committee always underseeds mid-majors?

Just look at Saint Mary’s. No way they should have been a 10. Temple a 5? Cornell a 12? WTF.

Then everyone’s all shocked when these good teams pull upsets over mediocre power-conference teams that got gifted seeds (read: Villanova/Vanderbilt/etc.)

by JoeVandalFTW on Mar 20, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to get a good non conference schedule when the overrated teams hide.

You cannot get BCS exposure when the BCS conferences run and hide. Don’t believe it? How come Wichita State has to beat KU in New Orleans in the NCAA when they are only a couple of hours down the road. If KU played Wichita State on a yearly basis they would be better prepared for Missouri Valley foes. Oklahoma and Iowa enacted legislation and forced their BCS schools to play other Div 1 schools in the state. The ChickenHawks have enough friends in Topeka to stop that in Kansas. It sure has cost them when it comes to Bradley, Southern Illinois, University of Northern Iowa and Wichita State in the NCAA tournament. Perhaps the time has come to wake up and schedule the Shocks 1 and 1 forever. You too FraidyCats. At least KSU had the heart to schedule a scrimmage last year. Let’s fix the schedule.

by Ralph Heady on Mar 21, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We did play some tough non-con games this year

At Temple, At Tennessee, home against Cornell, etc. Besides, does playing a MVC school in December help that much in March after playing 19 games against Big12 schools? I’m skeptical

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 21, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Try it. You'll like it.

Pittsburgh State? Emporia State? Fort Hays State? Yeah, that helps. That’s tough.

by Ralph Heady on Mar 21, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those are exhibition games

And I think we do do (haha dodo) a good job of playing different styles and schools in our non-con.

We got upset in the tournament. Shit happens. I think everyone is looking into this way too much like its a goddam conspiracy. We lost. It doesn’t have to do with who we played before christmas or this or that.

We just lost.

Lets crack open some beers and move on.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 21, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's it!

The Jayhawks lost because they didn’t play enough teams that didn’t make the tournament?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 22, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

disagree on Cole...

he needs to go and get paid

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My girlfriend hasn’t stopped crying since the end of the game. She’s taking this loss hard.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha

No it’s not.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is a new generation of Jayhawks '97....

the ’97 team was far more heavily favored and lost to the eventual national champion though.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

well said

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

good question.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with people that we lacked toughness and even focus

We lacked an ability to play well against slow it down teams that shoot well from three.

Honestly, have we EVER played well against teams like this?

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

The way this day has played out, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if a team like West Virginia or Michigan State win it all now.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Thats the sickening thing

KState or someone like that will be in the final 4 or win the thing. Someone that we’ve beaten or would beat

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here.

i loathe calpari and his sellout tactics of loading up on one and done miscreants.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Mar 20, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely a wide open year.

We could have anyone get a little hot streak and get the title.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh not Thuggins please

Anyone but Kentucky, WV, or DOOK is ok with me now. Even the ’cuse winning

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Cal fan, I hope they play against Dook like they did against Louisville.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

How would that be?

Everyone ragging on the Pac10 all year and then Cal wins it all… lol

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well..........

Washington is already in the Sweet 16. Hopefully Cal can get their tomorrow.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love Sherron a lot

But we win this game with last year’s Sherron. His regression the second half of this year was startling. How many games lately has he shot something like 5-16 from the floor?

We need guys who can knock down shots. I’m tired of watching Taylor shoot WIDE OPEN threes and not even coming close.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

In the Big 12 conference

I’d hoped we’d seen the debut of “okay I’m serious about winning this shit now” Collins. I guess not.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No he was serious about winning it

He just didn’t play well. Hes shot like 20 percent from 3, can’t finish in the lane and turns the ball over. Our post players and other guards bailed him out a lot the end of the year. If we had last year’s Sherron (39% shooter from 3, etc) were in the final 4.

We depended on him a lot and he played some of the worst ball of his career when it mattered most. Frustrating

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do wonder if he's beat up? Knee or shoulder or ankle

Like you said he hasn’t been Sherron since middle of the season.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This just reminded of everything I'd read in November and December about Reesing.

Shit.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I thought about that a little while ago.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand his knicked up a bit, but not buying it for his play

He was bruised last year and still scored 32 points in our first round tourney game and continued to shoot well all year. He isn’t limping out there, he just wasn’t making shots.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why

he kept shooting them. Sherron has shown an ability to recover from a poor start and make clutch shots late, but when T2 bricked his first open 3 attempt, he should not have taken another.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its even more frustrating to watch KState

Pullen will hit half his threes. Clemente at least a third of them. SHerron? 0-6

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just imagine what happened to his draft stock?

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sherron on Ali's Shot

If you can stomach to watch the replay again, look for Sherron. If he had run hard OR even if he had gone toward Ali rather than drifting toward the lane, Ali would not have shot it.

Jayhawks played with intensity for 3 minutes. That’s not enough at this level.

by StLCat on Mar 21, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair, it was just almost enough.

by sax solo on Mar 21, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Sherron was tired

It’s a long season. Look at Scottie Reynolds. Same thing. Stud guard, just fell off the cliff the last seven or eight games. I think they just had tired legs, and maybe tired emotionally from knowing they had to be “the man” in order for the team to win. A couple more stud seniors on this team, and I think it’s a different story.

by luvthosehawks on Mar 21, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

good of a time as any to mention my possible jinx

I had a birthday about a month ago, my wife was going to buy me a new kansas hat. I told her to wait until april to “see whats available then”

by fizzle406 on Mar 20, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

we are on every front page for good reason

Shouldn’t lose in the second round when you are the top team in the country. ever.

Then again we shouldn’t have lost to Bucknell. Or Bradley.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the thing about being a KU fan.

You know there will be disappointments, yes, but there will be more greatness too.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep as i told my wife ... there's always next year.

Maybe not having the highest expectations and pressure put on us will be good.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it just hurts more when you are a one seed

30whatever and 2, 15-1 Big12, etc etc.

As a 3/4 seed yeah not as bothered. I knew that Bucknell year team had fallen apart and quit on Self and the Bradley year team was young.

This team was….so good though. Ugh.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were pretty good

but we all knew they had some problems.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you got that right

We shouldn’t have lost to UCLA in ’07 ( I think ’07)… Damn Self NEVER adjusts to anything

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true!

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man, KGRtC now has the highest Pts. Possible by like 30 because he didn't have KU in the FF.

And, somehow it vaulted me back to the top. Whatever.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess we need a Warden11's Bracket Challenge score update

to restore our will to live.


KCSince88 leads the field, but his army of radioactive mutant underseeds has thinned considerably.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

HERE I COME

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

(what’s TWSS mean? This Will Snot Stand? Then We Shall See?)

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what she said

It’s an Office reference

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, first time I've laughed sine the end of the KU game.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

since*

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

This isn’t a good year for me and picking brackets.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

UNI >>> kstate?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do think it's a pace issue.

Look at Iowa State, Nebraska, Cornell. We had to slog them out. This time UNI was better than those teams and took it to us…..

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

And playing a game like today's makes it so hard to get in rhythm

when you’re only getting the ball ever 30-40 seconds.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

UNI did a great job when we sped them up

and started a run, slowing it right back down. We needed to control the tempo and failed.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

K-State has been overrated all year. No way they make it to the Final 4.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Guys.

Just came over to offer my condolences (kind of makes this sound like a funeral, which it is, in a way).

Oregon and Tennessee fan here. I still think Kansas was the best team in the country this season, and they just ran into a hot-shooting team that plays with an odd tempo. Those whiteys simply shot the lights out. Northern Iowa and Cornell would make for one hell of a game, huh?

But seriously, I know how much this sucks for you guys right now. I’ve dealt with my share of heartbreaking losses, and it’s tough to get over. Take a day or two to get pissed, then look forward to the future. It’s not as bad as you think. There will be brighter days.

Adios guys.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the words

Best of luck to the Vols in the Sweet 16…. was looking forward to a rematch

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

And if you guys want a team to root on for the rest of the tourney….well…..you know….

:)

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Northern Iowa and Cornell would make for one hell of a game, huh?

Can’t forget about Saint Mary’s. They can throw out a white wash as well. Of course, most of their players are from Australia.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Don’t worry, as long as Bill sticks around we’ll be fine. This team had a great year, winning the Big 12 by 4 games and getting to win 2000, but the agony and ecstasy of the tournament is that one off day puts you out.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Self can't coach his way out of a paper bag

no adjustments; lets Collins run wild and free and doesn’t re-set him. Self is all wonderful when the team is up by 20, but can’t handle the scary times. We were EXTREMELY lucky in ‘08. Don’t expect it again under Self.

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with MJ

This sucks and some things could have been done better but when the lucky stuff doesn’t fall your way, there’s not much you can do. Also, it’s hard defending a three-point shot that comes from half-a-mile beyond the arc.

Oh my dear lord...this is RETARDED boss...

by tequilaprophet on Mar 20, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

resisting a women and sports joke

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by fetch9 on Mar 21, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

may be brighter in Oregon if...

whoEVER is the designated AD has the sense to do what Kanas should have done when Roy left: hire Mark Turgeon – now w/ Texas A & M, took Wichita State to the Sweet 16, and was an assistant at Oregon under Jerry Green (some said that Mark was the only guy on the Green staff who knew what he was doing)

You could tell that Mark was destined to coach as a point for the mid-80’s Jayhawks – smartest guy on the court… called him Turgeon the Surgeon…

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just curious do you have a crush on Mark Turgeon

Yeah he’s a good coach, but jesus, are being paid to pimp him?

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh honey, I am WAY too old!

… he just does more with less. Self does less w/ more.

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does more?

What has he done more of? Just curious….

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you forgetting about LAST FUCKING YEAR

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by fetch9 on Mar 21, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

KU > AandM

Self > The Turg. Good coach. Not Billy Self

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talking to Sherron on radio right now.

Voice quivering and crying, audibly.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Where did it go wrong, Sherron?"

“Defense. Just didn’t guard.”

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2010/3/20/1382957/the-end-of-the-road#comments

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm...don't think that's it.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops, I mean

http://www2.kusports.com/podcasts/press_conferences_postgame_interviews/2010/mar/20/ku-coach-bill-self/

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

going there now

did anyone ask about pressing?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

They asked Sherron about it.

Not sure about HCBS

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my god

tennesse fan here just wanted to say omg you guys blew down the stretch and i picked you in my bracket
now i am going to lose

by Chase Milam on Mar 20, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Kthanks, bye.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should tell the Kansas players that (who played in the game)

rather than their fans (who didn’t play) on an internet blog.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

That’s rather rational of you KC. Is your GF on the computer again?

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big bucks that RCT pays have changed my ways

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You and about million other people picked Kansas and are now screwed.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my god

tennessee fan here just wanted to say omg you’re mature and everyone else picked them too so get over it and stop whining

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pullen is shutting down Jimmer ;-(

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

So...could have used a Pullen today.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

definitely could have used this Pullen today.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or let Tyrel or X shoot

all the 3’s that T2 & Sherron took. :)

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

How 'bouts we never play in Oklahoma City again?

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

and everyone was so excited about it.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

State of Oklahoma: HCBS's kryptonite

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

good thing he doesn't

coach there. he’d have been fired several times by now

Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "[my most important sabermetric stats are] runs scored and runs driven in"

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 21, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I mentioned this in the open thread. OKC has been a house of horrors for KU. They also lost as a 1st seed in the 2nd round to Rhode Island back in 1998.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hear that!

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Mar 21, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stunned

I didn’t even get to watch to game because I had a tennis tournament. I didn’t believe my sister when she said they lost. I appreciate people who show empathy and don’t just kick us while we’re down. It was still a great season with a really bad ending.

by axbmoore28 on Mar 20, 2010 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

33-3 ain't too shabby.

Just sucks that this will be the way the season is remembered.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep on comin' back, Walsh.

And, I have to agree about less pressure next year. Although, I can’t bring myself to start thinking about next year yet.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Thats the only way i can reconcile this loss in my head…

by Walshdollar on Mar 20, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overall

I still kinda think a 24-hour waiting period to join an SBNation team blog wouldn’t be a bad thing.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

The Seattle Seahawks blog makes you wait for 3 days.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of the blogs have them.

I know Arrowhead Pride does and Double T Nation. I’m all for outsiders coming in after a game, as long as they are cool. And, if not, they’ll be gone.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of them do have a waiting period

before you can comment. Not a bad idea to weed out the trolls, though we’ve had some newbies make some great comments today also.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll take the good with the bad and banhammer the bad.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chip Kelly knows a thing or two about banhammering.

Just thought I’d throw that in, since it’s my sig

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both Warden and I have the banhammer now, actually.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I shall show you total respect henceforth.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, no need to.

I’m just waiting for the first profanity-laced troll to come through today. I have a feeling it’ll be a race between me and Warden to hit it first.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

About to have our first winner

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have to say one thing... the college game is flawed.

5 fouls, 40 minutes, and 20-foot three-point arcs? are college athletes REALLY that inferior to NBA athletes? they’re certainly less skilled, but i see no reason why they should be having these rules in place. half these guys are gonna be in the NBA anyways, so why have such drastically different paramaters for the game? all it does is level the playing field for inferior teams.

i’m sick and tired of seeing unqualified refs being given more power by the fact that it only takes 5 fouls to disqualify a player… i’m sick and tired of seeing gimmick offenses thrive on being awarded an extra point for hitting a shot FIVE FEET AWAY from a free throw, and i’m certainly sick of seeing 2 20-minute halves in place of 4 12-minute quarters. times have changed, and the college athlete isn’t just a “little boy” anymore. the rules need to follow suit.

back in the day, there is NO WAY IN HELL a team like northern iowa would even be able to compete with a team featuring 3-4 future NBA-ers on it, but these past few days have made it almost a GIVEN that they indeed can. this is not good for the game.

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I disagree that the college game could be changed for the better

but I don’t think it’s a bad thing that teams like UNI can win these games. I’d rather see the end of one-and-dones and less emphasis on recruitment of future pros.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, the fact UNI can beat a 1 seed

in the second round is what makes the tournament thrilling. I would love to dump the 1 & done rule also. If guys want to go pro out of high school(or prep school) go right ahead.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

For one, I think the college game needs to adopt the NBA no-charge circle. It wouldn’t stop the screaming about what’s a charge and what’s not, but it would sure help.

by JoeVandalFTW on Mar 20, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what a charge is anymore.

I mean NO idea.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree 100%

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll go a step farther and say charging should be eliminated from the game.

it should either be a no-call or a defensive foul. force players to actually make a defensive play instead of just standing in the way.

you could still call offensive fouls for moving screens or players pushing off in mid-air, but the charge is ruining the game on all levels

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Not good for the game"

One could also say that allowing a team sport to be turned into a “give the superstar the ball and watch him go one-on-five” is not good for the game either.

by JoeVandalFTW on Mar 20, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed one could.

but i think the fact that the NCAA is such an obvious feeding ground for the NBA is one that can no longer be ignored, and the rules should reflect this.

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You say reflect

I say correct.

The NBA has farm leagues, right? Let them use them, FFS.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

you and i both know that will never happen though.

the nba treats the NBDL about as seriously as the NFL treats the CFL.

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The rule that really bothers me...

Is the shot clock. It’s absurd that women’s basketball plays with a 30 second clock, while the men play with 35.

Also, add in the arc under the hoop like they have in the NBA. You shouldn’t get an incentive to sit under the basket and hurt guys that are trying to attack the basket.

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by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 20, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Bill Self:

didn’t want to press in the first half because of having 6 team fouls and UNI’s a good shooting team. Didn’t just take the press off the table but also made KU use less pressure in the 1st half.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

*good free throw shooting team

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

more thoughts:

67 points isn’t bad against this team. More inability to grab offensive rebounds.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, I just took Fescoe's bait on Twitter.

I feel we may get into it.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

what'd he say now?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

#sherroncollins was awful in his final game 0-6 from 3 pt range? Really? what a way to go out

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't waste your time on him

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too late.

I took it.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

..... as if that's NOT awful?

look, i love sherron as much as any KU guard i’ve ever seen… i’d actually have him ahead of Jacque. but to say he wasn’t putrid in this game would just be ignoring the facts

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

don’t know how you can be angry at someone that says that

by jco8394 on Mar 20, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor Hawks..

KU chokes again.. KU fans please don’t start asking for Self to be fired!!

TB

by tbonetiger on Mar 20, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Geez, show a little maturity.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, these are missouri fans.

We expect this. Hence why no one is freaking out on him. It validates our superiority to them.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like how he mentions "choking again"...

Tell me, tbone, when was the last time Missouri made the Final Four? Oh, wait, what was that? Never, you say?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're welcome here at RCT anytime, TQA :)

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good win for Tennessee today btw!

I picked you guys for our Bracket Challenge.

Frankly I think the inconsistency is a little charming, and I thought that if you guys pulled it together you could make a great run.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

We would never.

HCBS is the best coach in the game. I’ll take that any day of the week.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only coach I would take over Bill Self is Tom Izzo, but that’s it.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

for crying out loud....

Self racks up recruits and stats… Teaches the game, and when all is well, coaches well, but under stress, HE DOES NOT adjust. Don’t believe me? See for yourself (pun intended…) Take a look at the tourney 1st round exits in ‘05, ’06 and the loss to UCLA in ’07. Look at this year’s games against TN, OSU and today.

If he had a clue about answering, don’t you think he might have taken Collins out to give him a blow, some encouragement and some direction??

That game was lost on the bench.

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow you might need to take a break. I think this game pushed you over the edge

You seriously think that anyone could have beaten OSU that day the way they were shooting?

When it comes down to it, it’s the players that play the game, not Self. No matter how much you want to scream and shout that NCHCBS SUXXORS doesn’t make it so, especially with his track record at 3 different schools.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The loss to UCLA?

Self can’t make layups.

The loss to Bradley? They shot like double their average from 3

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by fetch9 on Mar 21, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

On behalf of more classy Mizzou fans

Tough loss for you all, you have my empathy. While I can’t deny (as a rival) that I wasn’t terribly disappointed by your loss, I do know how it feels and would not try to rub it in.

Big XII regular season and tourney champions is a great season, and you all will have a great team again next year. I look forward to Missouri’s (hopeful? possible? unlikely?) return to perennial ranked team status where we offer a legitimate challenge to KU’s Big XII dominance.

As long as you have BIll Self, you will have chances to win it all almost every year, and THAT is an incredible blessing for KU fans that I never have (will?) enjoy.

P.S. Cole Aldridge, please go pro!

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by BigMOman on Mar 20, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

appreciate the words BigMO...

I’m sure both MU and KSU fans enjoy this one as they should, but it’s always good to remain classy about it…thanks.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the CBS President hung himself, now that a potential Kansas-Kentucky final is out of the window?

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

If that was the case

then you’d have thought both KU and UK would’ve gotten easier brackets…..

I'm Your Huckleberry.

by Carl C on Mar 20, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

A lot of pressure on this team all year. They were the favorites at the beginning of the year to win it all and had to deal with that all year.

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that

This is why I wanted to win the Senior Night game so, so bad. You can’t play with the NC in mind, I don’t really think. And long term, I think winning that Senior Night game would be something the players could look back on fondly, no matter how they did in the tournament.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow self's body language very PISSED in the press conference.

Didn’t come across like that in the audio, but gritted teeth and closed arms… understandably pissed

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you shocked?

I’m doing all I can to be accept this loss but if I was the coach, I’d be real pissed at this outcome. A lot of the bad habits we saw this year came out today and it knocked them out in the first weekend.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't pick that up in the audio either

going to have to try and catch it on television.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Self is a controlled motherfucker.

by sax solo on Mar 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's hope he takes his revenge

by coaching at Kansas another 20 years and getting 4 more National titles.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You would think

That as a Cubs fan, I’d be used to this, but this is feeling more worse than any experience I’ve had with the Cubs. Or maybe it’s just because it’s only 2 hours after.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 20, 2010 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Chiefs, Royals, Tigers

At least KU is reliable to compete every year

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, that’s because Kansas is actually expected to win Championships.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

you and me both, wrigley

Lifetime Cubs fan and, wait for it, Vikings fan, too. It’s been a rough couple months where championship games is concerned.

Operation Final Four is a go. Proceed to target.

by Bensa on Mar 20, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're cute.

Can I take you home and play with you?

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slam is the resident troll fucking-with-er......person......guy here.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chip Kelly-Bustin' Out The Banhammer Since 2009

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 20, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

But mooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm

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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Belmont?

That was you missouri, actually. If you’re gonna troll, at least come correct.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean THIS

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

False.

Clearly he meant this

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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Missouri looked pretty good against Navy last December

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by Jason Kirk on Mar 20, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

They really do hang themselves, don't they?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahaahaha.

Troll fail GET. Listen, dude. If you’re going to mock our choke history, at least take some pride in your work.

For real, though. You’re making me feel a lot better, brah. No matter how much this stings, I still have a national championship shirt in my closet that’s giggling at you right now.

Can we be friends, man? I like you a lot. I feel like I could learn a lot from you.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Consider this your warning.

Keep it up and you’re done here.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Warden

You make me laugh. You put on the teacher pants to type that out, didn’t you?

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

See what I mean?

Don’t deprive Slam of this guy.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would hope

he’s a helluva lot tougher on his students.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's the problem

haven’t been able to harass any students all week and I’m just getting trigger happy.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, I'm kinda enjoying it.

Let it play out, Warden. Slam’s having too much fun.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

I’ve got no problem with someone having some fun but I’m not reading this shit all night.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can agree with that.

Besides, I don’t wanna deprive Warden of using the

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should be packing

but I always like seeing shiny new toys in the store and I just….I just…I WANT IT.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spray this KU fans

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Slam is the best possible therapy after a tournament loss.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just spit my beer all over my keyboard you fucker

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

TELL ME

that isn’t you.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’m just drowning my extreme pain in humor

That’s how us Cal fans deal with defeat. And trust me when I say this, we have to deal with defeat all the time. Except in Rugby.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Though it probably looks a helluva lot more like my brother than Warden.(do I know you Slam?)

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone knows me!

I’m the guy who shows up after the season after basically abandoning SB Nation because of migraines and starts crackin wise with trolls and admins alike.

Also, go Baylor.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

so who's the starting 5 for next year?

Withey or Markieff at center? marcus and mario at the 4 and 3, then tyshawn and elijah at the guard spots?

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll talk about this in a month.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your immersed in the Cubs, then you’ll be back in a month.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't feel bad

I’’m a Giants fan, so I’ll be back in a month.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha, beat me to it.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

Oh, Giants. You guys are silly. Aubrey Huff? Really?

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brian Sabean really pisses us off.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should, dude.

That guy is a clown.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's no Dayton Moore.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

SO true.

I feel so privileged right now. This is weird.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He’s the reason why I barely follow the Giants anymore.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'd agree with Warden.

T2 will thrive being the lone true point guard in the game a lot of the time and I like a dual Morris at the 3 and 4. Although, I’m not sure HCBS will have the confidence in Withey by then. Also, Warden, you’re forgetting TRob. As was I actually. He will be the first off the bench, a la Kieff this year.

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by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still see Little getting those early minutes.

T-Rob after him for Withey and whichever of the Morris boys are in the fouling mood that day.

Releford will sneak some time but I’m afraid he might get buried again.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much to think about

without looking at it all laid out in front of me. Right now, I’m trying to figure out which bar I can make it to in my car with all the snow.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of time for the Morri,

and i think Travis Releford gets a starting spot. We need to turn the athletes loose next year.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Releford?

The poor man’s Keith Langford? That kid terrifies me. I hope he’s learned to shoot FTs in his year off.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

releford gets a lotta love around here

not sure why… ideally he’s a slashing 3, but he’s not big enough to be a forward and can’t dribble enough to be a guard.

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll be interesting next year after a year of practice.

We really have no idea what to expect from him next year.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

and honestly, it still wouldn't surprise me to see a transfer.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could go to Alabama with his brother

and not have to sit out a year since he did this year, no?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the rumour,

but I don’t know if could play immediately. Sitting out 2 years in a row would be brutal.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You British, hunter?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does it make you type the conspicuous "u" 's in your ending in -or words?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

close enough.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burn the witch!

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be careful,

or I’ll turn you into a newt! And send you out for a shrubbery!

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

hhahahah

what’s his favourite colour, you mean?

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

A long time from now but I'd think Morningstar's a starter with T2, then the Morri and Withey.

Little coming off the bench for a Morris brother. Reed and EJ subs for Morningstar and T2, work your various freshman in there wherever they end up fitting.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i could see it benefitting marcus's pro prospects to play the 3

and obviously it would allow markieff to be in the starting 5, but i also feel like mario is gonna explode next year

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

In basketball related news

BYU trying to make a game of it again.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

It just keeps fucking snowing.

How depressing.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude

I’m supposed to be flying to Los Angeles tomorrow for this bad ass 3 day vacation where I’m going to a couple of hockey games and hanging out with a good friend of mine. I was all packed up until we lost and I had to pull all my KU gear out of my bag and hide it. Now I have no idea what other clothes to wear.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

A real man

would wear the KU gear and give the 1 finger salute to anybody flipping him shit.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Man up. I’m about to wear KU gear to a bar in missouri.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

good luck with that

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop by and I'll loan you

my 9 millimeter. (you’ll have to pay for the ammo though)

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might go through a lot of that.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right.

I’m talking about clothes.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your not a fucking USC fan

Only those pussies put away their gear after they lose. Your a Kansas fan, wear your colors proud.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

You guys talked me into it. Any wants to start some static, I’ll just Aldrich roar and pimp hand a bitch. I hope I run into a Missouri fan. Their biggest wins in their history are by the teams who beat Kansas. Some arch rival. /scoffs

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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

You can keep your RCT card.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

at least I have a hockey game to watch

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by fetch9 on Mar 20, 2010 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm done with Hockey

My Sharks are already preparing themselves for a early playoff exit.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

true

I’m watching college though

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by fetch9 on Mar 20, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're lucky you aint a blackhawks fan then...

started off the year on fire, now we lose a player a night to vicious hits and our goalies play like they got arthraitis

by Danny Satan on Mar 20, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, I'm gonna trek out to go get drunk.

Thanks for the quick therapy session, guys. I honestly don’t know how I would get by game to game during the long weeks without RCT. It’s a drug and I’m addicted. Don’t everybody all disappear off the map now that the season is over. The summer months are gonna be long, but football coverage and news will start up sooner than you think. Denver has a lot working already and myself and Warden will be looking to add in any ways possible.

Keep it classy.

Rock Chalk.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Not to sound like your mom, but please don’t drive.

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by 49er16 on Mar 20, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will say

If this season has to end, I couldn’t have picked a better group of d00ds to end it with. Crying in our collective beers aside, this off-season is going to suck.

I must continue the packing, though. You all be good and don’t drive.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

BYU hitting a couple of shots would really help me enjoy this game.

At least make it close for a minute or so.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Bill Self - inexcusable performance

As bad as Collins was, the loss belongs on the shoulders of Bill Self. To NEVER sit Collins out and have a little chat and rest, to never give more opportunity to Morningstar and Reed, to not make an iota of adjustment once again reveals how clueless Self is to gametime stress situations.

He recruits; he teaches; he can put a game plan together – well, most of the time, but when the going gets treacherous he falls off the cliff. Player grit, a little luck, and Super Mario gave the chump a National Championship in 2008, and now we’re stuck with him.

Think I am wrong? Take a look at a few tapes and see how Kansas performs after timeouts.

Gawd, I wish Kansas would have hired Mark Turgeon a few years back….

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

You can't possibly be serious....

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

She/he is not.

First post ever to this site.

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah life sucks as a Jayhawk eh?

Guess we all had to suffer though another 3 loss Big12 Championship season… sigh

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i am serious

Self stinks under pressure… but i don’t expect any changes… contract and all.

Among other things, he did a real disservice to Collins by not sitting him for a bit, letting him regroup and get a blow, and ..um maybe talking some strategy to the on-court leader.

Self does great (apparently) at selling his programs (Tulsa, Illinois, KU) to bluechip recruits, teaches the game, and plans for the game. I have great admiration for the way his teams exhibit stellar sportsmanship.

But truly, tough situations reveal a gap in his coaching prowess. Go look at some archives for yourself.

Hey, I hope he figures it out… he has a ring and with it comes tenure

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goddammit.

You are not a real KU fan. Just leave. Go troll some other websites please.

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Self is one of the best coaches at adjusting in game.

Usually they perform great after time-outs so I don’t get your point there.

Reed played 26 minutes this game.

Oh, if we would have hired Turgeon… we wouldn’t have a National Championship 2 years ago.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

we're watching different games then

… and performing great after a timeout w/ a 20 point lead is different than performing after a critical timeout that’s called to make adjustments.

Look, reality is that some folks think Self walks on water… he doesn’t. And, I know I sound harsh, and am being taken as “harsher”. Reality is Self is going to be at KU for a while – a long while.

Don’t get so defensive… I did acknowledge he does most things well.

Whether any of us recognizes that there were critical coaching errors today or not is immaterial.

3 loss season… ? I was much happier in Apirl ’88 after an 8 (I think) loss season.

And Turgeon… it wasn’t going to happen then, and it probably would have been too early, bu the guy is good and has a great future… Oregon may snag him (but he’ll have work cut out for him!)

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade Bill Self for anyone

but I’d agree there are games where we struggle to make the adjustments needed.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goddamit

Goddamit this sucks. Still, I’m optimistic about next year. Good players back, good coach, and winning the league always happens.

Lets all channel our anger and use it to our advantage in the first ever RCT golf outing this May

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

Adjusted handicaps/beer-per-shot rule should work just fine for me.

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, so what's worse...

Being a fan of a team that is perennially competing for league/national championships but still falls short and suffers the occasional humiliating loss, or a fan of a team that never competes at all? At least in the latter case, you never get your hopes too high, so the soul-crushing moments are few and far between.

Of course I wouldn’t trade being a KU alum and Jayhawk fan for anything; I’m just effin’ depressed.

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll take the lows that come with the incredible highs being a KU fan.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too. Any day of the week

Its better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.

I’ll take the glorious winning and painful loses than being apathetic towards my crap team

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Although I can’t say for certain I would feel the same way if we had not won in ‘08. The sheer joy and exuberance of that night was unlike anything I’ve ever experienced, so it makes up for any second-round losses we’ll have for probably the rest of my life. God I’m drunk.

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I wouldn't be this rational had we not won it in 2008.

I’d be roaring pissed. Be like “we can’t be a national powerhouse. we are the Buffalo Bills. Big12 titles don’t mean shit anymore. FML” etc.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

You’d be asking yourself if it was worth it; if it was worth becoming so emotionally invested in a friggin’ basketball team each year. For me, it’s only because of ’08 that I can say..yes, yes it is totally worth it.

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

2008 was everything

Had we lost that game to Davidson Bill Self is feeling serious heat right now. KU nation is calling for his head. So glad it isn’t the case but he would have been here years with three pre sweet 16 loses, no title, etc.

2008 was everything. We are almost playing with House money for a few years now as fans. I sorta feel that way

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this is becoming a really scary trend.

I’ll admit that.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The secretive legend of Denverjhawk lives on.

I was all set to meet Denver in St. Louis this week and find out who he is. It isn’t to be, I suppose.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 20, 2010 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I know what his name is...

And that he has a beard…or did in the fall. Thats it

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

how do you know these things? : )

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You came to town for a football game and I went back that weekend too

I think you texted me we tried to meet up…but I ended up not getting to Lawrence till game time (I had to work on saturday…fml)

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 21, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another thing bothering me

Whats the point of the regular season? Honestly. We went 30-2 this year, won the league, league tourney and etc and yet this season is a failure (in the eyes of many). I mean seriously.

I almost am starting to wonder…I mean why play so many games, non-con then conference etc if at the end of the year you are placed in a crazy single-elimination tournament that is comprised of teams/styles you have never seen before?

Maybe football has it better? The regular season matters, if you aren’t sharp throughout you don’t get to play for the big prize. Maybe thats worse? I dunno.

It just makes it tougher to swallow when we we beat everyone this year, owned our league…then this.

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 20, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, yeah work all season..

… to get that # 1 seed… and ya just aren’t supposed to lose to an 8/9

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

UNI

won 30 games this season. They should have been a 6 seed max.

Man crush. Sherron.

by labbadabba on Mar 20, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can I just say that when I came here to do a quick check before heading to bed and saw 35 new comments

My first thought: “Oh shit, who started a flame war”

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

me

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figured tbonetiger made a comeback.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i haven't even had the honor to buy you a drink...

… geez guys, you take it so personal… I’m not raggin on your manhood!

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Just can’t take anyone seriously who is ****ing Mark Turgeon’s @)%*#% and wishing we had never hired Bill Self.

by knayte on Mar 20, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey I admit

I rooted for Turgeon then and now, and then woulda been to early (moot point, anyway).

But here’ my question. Is Self’s struggle to handle tough game situations a correctable problem?

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you have to first identify the problem?

The man taking teams to the Elite 8 and winning a National Championship doesn’t look like a problem. Beating K-State in Manhattan in overtime doesn’t look like a problem.

Right now, there is really only 3 games that look like a problem and they’re only related by the point in season they were played and that Bill Self was coaching. Can we really let 3 games tell us there is a huge problem with KU’s coaches in big games?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And those three games were decide by a combined 7 points

3 possessions over 3 games…… Don’t think that’s enough to indict him as a poor coach in the tourney.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thot I did ID the problem

(but first, a cliche, the difference between good and great is in the details)

The Problem – the team seems unable to respond in critical situations in which they are behind

Observation – (just one for brevity) Key player having off game; very poor shooting night, poor passing, etc..

Solution – sit player (for at least some time), adjust offense

I am not indicting the entirety of Self’s coaching bonafides; I was and am specific… and the specifics can be the difference between 2nd round exit and playing in April.

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

c'mon, let me vent!

… and i was very specific in my raggin’

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vent away.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Warden

I think i got it outta my system…

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

all opinions are welcome....

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like this team lacked chemistry this year...

and I would point to 2 maybe 3 players that could be a big factor in that.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

To borrow a phrase from our favorite whipping Boy Roy

This team lacked the “Wont To” at times. Today was one of those days

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Today was definitely one of those days.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

a few individuals ....

talent and wins masks a lot of the issues but you can go back as far as Cornell and the signs were there that we weren’t consistent and seemed to have times where our players just weren’t on the same page. For all the talk early on about how difficult the midwest was and how we got screwed….the reality is, we weren’t coming out of any bracket playing the way we did this weekend.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 20, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good point.

It’s amazing how quickly things can change. Just last weekend KU beat possibly the best team on their schedule solidly for the third time this season, Thursday and today were just flat-out awful performances.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me provide some perspective

I’v grown up with KU BBall. Had season tix since I was 7 or 8. Love it, it’s fun, its entertaining, and we’re almost always competitive. Yet losing a game is not the end of the world. It used to upset me for days/weeks, not anymore. Last August my daughter passed away at 6 months old and I’ve finally realized what’s important in life and it’s not a basketball game.

Maybe it took a long time in life to get there, but I won’t lose any sleep over this win tonight. Yeah I still watch, yeah I still get worked up, but in the end it’s just a game.

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 20, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree completely

… and helps to civilly vent online, even with folks that disagree w/ my points

I am so sorry about your daughter.

Be well, Michigan

by Carla Hanson on Mar 20, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto to what the Carla Hanson said

Sometimes I need to be reminded of the more important things in life.

But this still hurts.

Oh my dear lord...this is RETARDED boss...

by tequilaprophet on Mar 21, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't Make Excuses

Going into this game everyone clearly thought Kansas was the best. And they were. It was just one of those tournament moments that happens. But’s let not make excuses on chemistry or on Bill Self. If they had lost to Davidson in ’08 we would have made the same excuses. But they won and went down in history.

by axbmoore28 on Mar 20, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW -

Can we please stop playing games at the Ford Center. It has been the site of of our 2 worst tourny losses in the HCBS era.

Sad face.

Man crush. Sherron.

by labbadabba on Mar 20, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

UNC Fan here

Tough loss. However, the response both here on this blog and by the Jayhawks after the loss has been completely classy. Kudos. I doubt our fan base would be as sane as yours is if the Heels were in your shoes.

Good luck in the future, ladies and gentlemen.

by SuperJew on Mar 20, 2010 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Hope I don't have to tell you guys...

…that the idiot troll who claims to be a Missouri fan doesn’t represent us (or, at least, the folks at Rock M Nation).

Condolences.

"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010

by ghtd36 on Mar 20, 2010 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't worry.

RMN has definitely proven itself to be a classy site and we certainly don’t blame you for the occasional wandering troll. :)

by hunter s. royal on Mar 20, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

no worries...

good luck against WVU

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you'd rather not hear from another opposing fan, but oh well

I admit i was torn tonight while watching KU’s game. Lately, I’ve been on an Anti-Big East kick, so i was really hoping the Big 12 would represent. On the other hand, I really did not want KSU to face KU for a 4th time(if KSU made it that far) since that is a horrible match up obviously. But would rather of had KU drop out later in the tourney. It’s tough to play teams with nothing to lose and this year’s tourney magnifies that.

Keep your head up, i’m sure next year KU will reload and be ready to go. Don’t get too drunk tonight and stay safe.

by WillieWannabe on Mar 20, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

good luck the rest of the way.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most talent in 20 years...

…and they blew it. They didn’t want it bad enough and they let all their Jayhawk fans down. You guys completely screwed up. Lost lots of respect for Bill Self today. We should start calling you Roy Williams. You forget you still need to get talented kids ramped up like they are playing the number 1 team in the country, not defending a title you don’t have.

Damnit, that sucks. Nice f***ing effort.

by formerjayhawkfan on Mar 21, 2010 12:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Roy never won the NC for us

Chill out. Bill did a hell of a job this year… I just hope Xavier is the last one and doner we get. Look at last season and the job he did with Cole, look at what he did with the Morris bros. as well as Morningstar and Reed. I really think if he has raw but coachable talent we would be much better off.

The Chiefs will take a defensive player with 3 out of their first 4 picks in 2010

by fairmont on Mar 21, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd agree...

you either go all in or all out with the one and doners. Self seems to be better at building a team and developing chemistry, add the wrong ingredient and it might not be the best move. If we’re going one and doners, lets go balls out like Coach Cal and just see what happens. My preference would be our current technique and the developmental team approach.

The reality with X is, if he’s gone…his Kansas career will be completely forgettable. That’s not meant as a knock on him, but it’s reality….very few will remember his contributions to Kansas basketball a decade from now.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

stuff happens

and its heartbreaking that it happens to us a lot. They seemed extremely tight thursday and even more today. we had the pressure on us, they had nothing to lose. N. Iowa made shot after shot, hit about every free throw, and i swear they drew a ton of fouls. more than usual in my opinion. We fought to the end but it wasnt meant to be. Just their day. we missed too many shots and a few key free throws late, then left the iranian nighmare open at the end. Makes me sick but we are still ku and will be contenders again next yr, the yr after, and yr after that…

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Mar 21, 2010 12:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't say it happens to us any more often

every team but one loses every year. When you go to the tourney for 20+ years in a row it just seems that way. But the fact remains, winning it all is hard and it needs everything to break just right. I mean how often does the best team in the country go into the tourney and lose at some point? I’d say far more often than not.

Man crush. Sherron.

by labbadabba on Mar 21, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any chance Cole and X come back next year..

..because of the disappointing way the season ended? I would almost be suprised if Xavier left, but I’m sure Cole has played his last game.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Mar 21, 2010 12:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Epic fail

That has been the most disappointing game I have seen in a while. Maybe there is a rule that KU does not play in OKC in any tournament until the second coming.

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

CHICAGO...Where Quaterbacks' careers go to die!

by mdierk on Mar 21, 2010 12:34 AM CDT reply actions  

its not Right that 4 (Sherron) has to go liek this.

He’s been a knight in shining armor and Built Like A Rock (Chevy) and alwaays so good and conistently reliable.

No more 4 :’’’’(

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 21, 2010 2:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Nittany Lion fan looking for answers...

I’m a Nittany Lion fan living in Toronto, that should tell you i’m mostly a football fan and just here cuz i had kansas in an office pool.

I’m familiar with disappointing seasons so first off my condolences. Secondly I know all about not judging a coach on a single performance but considering their entire body of work, but I have to say I am very surprised by the responses on this thread.

I don’t know too much about your coach and how he usually performs, but I blame this particular loss squarely on him. Frankly I am very surprised more of you are not doing the same. Allow me to explain myself before you fire back.

While I do agree with Carla Hanson that Collins should have sat for a few minutes to calm down and Self didn’t make adjustments they needed early enough, I don’t think these were critical errors that could not have been over come. Collins is one of your stars and I’m all for going with the guys that bought you this far, so I’m generally cool with a coach that makes the mistake of overplaying a proven winner. To be clear I think the ideal move would have been to take Collins of for about 30 secs to have a quick chat and calm him down with about 7 min left in the game, just before you’re about to make your final surge. He seemed a bit frazzled by the tough zone defense which made it difficult to dribble penetrate, the coach should have taking a moment to calm him down and remind him of ways in which to use some of his other considerable talents to hurt NIU.

As for the adjustments they eventually made the key adjustment they needed, going to the press and they got it to within 1 point. So the coach provided method with which the team could get back in a position to win and the players executed that plan and we were on the verge of a great comeback.

Then with 42 seconds left Self called a timeout…. I believe this cost you guys the game. You had all the momentum, just scored to bring it to 1 point, the jayhawks were looking like sharks that smelled blood. Your press reminded me of the Pitino days at Kentucky. NIU had turned it over on 2 straight attempts against the press, they just saw there lead go from 7 with 1:08 left to 1 in 25 seconds (43 sec left in the game), they were paniced they had only 1 TO left and couldn’t afford to use it now. They were ripe for another turnover, everything was going the Jayhawks way, it seemed assured that NIU would collapse at the end like so many cinderella’s before them. But inexplicably your coach called a timeout…. this gave NIU a chance to regroup, draw up a strategy to break the press and hit that crucial three. All credit to NIU for executing and Ali for nailing that 3. KU wasn’t out of it at that point but NIU never looked as vulnerable from that point on.

I’m sorry if the wound is too fresh for you guys, i can certainly relate to that, but I’m looking for answers and am very interested to hear what you guys think of my analysis and what you think of that Timeout that I was screaming at the TV about (seriously the entire time I was yelling that either: the play-by-play guys had made a mistake how/why could/would KU take a time out now, or the KU coach is the stupidest man alive).

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I think this is a very valid point.
Then with 42 seconds left Self called a timeout…. I believe this cost you guys the game. You had all the momentum, just scored to bring it to 1 point, the jayhawks were looking like sharks that smelled blood. Your press reminded me of the Pitino days at Kentucky. NIU had turned it over on 2 straight attempts against the press, they just saw there lead go from 7 with 1:08 left to 1 in 25 seconds (43 sec left in the game), they were paniced they had only 1 TO left and couldn’t afford to use it now. They were ripe for another turnover, everything was going the Jayhawks way, it seemed assured that NIU would collapse at the end like so many cinderella’s before them. But inexplicably your coach called a timeout…. this gave NIU a chance to regroup, draw up a strategy to break the press and hit that crucial three. All credit to NIU for executing and Ali for nailing that 3. KU wasn’t out of it at that point but NIU never looked as vulnerable from that point on.

I don’t think it cost the game, there were many things that did that. But I was also confused about calling a timeout there.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 21, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great I'm not crazy.

I was wondering why no one had brought this up.

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

but the timeout was not required for the substitution, he was doing that without timeouts prior to that.

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

On second thought

That was happening after free throws… excellent point, maybe thats what it was about. I still think the momentum was overwhelming and giving NIU a chance to regroup was crazy.

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't have been.

There wasn’t a stop in the action after Marcus Morris made both of his free throws and whatever defensive guys he wanted out there should have already been out there.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 21, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent

So I firmly back my initial “the timeout was insane” stance, with no reservations regarding personnel.

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that the break where X got fouled?

Not a TO? Then X missed the front end of the 1-1.

The Chiefs will take a defensive player with 3 out of their first 4 picks in 2010

by fairmont on Mar 21, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, that was about a minute earlier in the game.

This timeout followed Collins’ made layup.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 21, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

and in the interest of full disclosure,

I’m generally against timeouts at the end of the game in situations like this, especially when you have the superior group of players.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 21, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that time-out made the difference, too many other things up to that point

We just left it too late to make the charge. This team had a bad habit all season of playing mediocre ball for 20-30 minutes and then playing 10 minutes of brilliant ball. They usually turned it on somewhere around the 15 minute mark left to go. In our 3 losses now, they made a furious charge, but waited until too late. Here they woke up around 5 minutes to go. In Tennessee it was with about 7 minutes to go, in OK State game it was also about 6 minutes. but the defeceits were too large.

Sometimes the players didn’t seem to listen to him. They felt they had the natural talent to win these games ballin’ on their own, yet when they played as a team they were unstoppable. I don’t think Self could have done anything different, maybe press a little earlier but remember we’re not a pressing team, Cole gets gassed.

Overall I don’t think this team ever gelled the way the 2008 team did. Something was off in the chemistry, dunno what, but it wasn’t 100% there.

Also I go back to a comment I made awhile back, these guys knew/thought they could beat anybody because of their talent anbd consequently farted around waaaay too much and then tried to close out late. I just didn’t see the emotion on the court that a lot of other teams display. Think about how often you’d see chst thumping and pointing with the 2008 squad. Sometimes it seemed this team didn’t give a rip, Sherron , Cole and Reed are the only ones that come to mind that were consistently ‘in the game’ emotionally. Their reactions in the locker room after last night shows they wanted to win … but also expected to win.

Maybe they expected it more than they wanted it…..

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 21, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think about...

the timeout giving NIU a chance to regroup when they were flustered? It seemed to me like they were about to collapse.

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly, but it also gave KU a chance to set up the next 45 secs.

Honestly when it comes down to it it should not have even come down to the last 60 secs. If the team would have played with true passion and determination for 10 minutes instead of just 5 minutes we would have won by 6 or more.

I say again

Maybe they expected it more than they wanted it…..

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 21, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is true.

But that is also true for all major upsets where there is a significant talent divide. Games where the favourite narrowly avoids upsets are not cuz they wanted it just enough. It’s more like they started to turn it on just in time and didn’t make any crucial mistakes as they came back.

I believe Kansas turned it on just in time yesterday but the coach made a crucial mistake that cost them. Is that to say it should have come to that? Absolutely not, leaving it to that is unacceptable from a fan perspective, but we love our teams and we know it’s going to happen from time to time so we cherish the victories and try to forget the upsets.

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said

Every Penn State fan was forced to this conclusion during “the dark ages (2000 – 2005)”. If you can truly come to grips with this without having to face such horrors you really are the winner.

(no sarcasm)

by platnumkid on Mar 21, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep...this is what I keep coming back to...

you can’t be “upset” if you aren’t any good. Kansas has been VERY good year in and year out so almost every time we lose…it makes news. To be great you take the good with the bad. The highs are high and the lows are low.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

mirror image of the past

i think that the hawks lost to a team that resembles how ku played 20 years ago, absent the transition game. i think this is why i wasn’t reaching for the industrial-sized whiskey bottle like i would have if ku had lost to a team with no discipline, defense, or 3-point threat. northern iowa is the poster boy for the amount of parity in college hoops. ku will not be the only 1-seed to fall before the final four.

keep in mind: for all the ‘expert’ opinion about the jayhawks being unstoppable, folks overlook the amount of freshman/soph players expected to step up and deliver in pressure-packed situations. this was a pretty young team on the court; even moreso when cole would be out of the game.

i think it’s a testament to coach self that a team with only 1 starting senior could play the season and end up with only 3 losses.

it’s now elijah’s team. time to reload.

by jaycon11 on Mar 21, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Well put.

I do wonder if the pressure and expectations put on them from early on lead to a lot of the tightness and forced plays we saw over the last few weeks. Yet we were lucky enough to survive those, but just couldn’t pull this one out

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 21, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seth Davis writing in SI about Round 2
It’s the nature of the beast that some folks are going to take shots at Bill Self after this, but it’s not going to be said by anyone with reasonable intelligence. This is the same guy who led Kansas to a championship, this is the same guy who has led three different schools to the Elite Eight. That being said, this one’s going to be painful for Self for a long time. He takes losses very hard, and this was a team that really had a great chance to win a championship. You don’t often go into the tournament and say, “We’ve got a really good chance to win this thing.” That opportunity doesn’t come around every day.

Article here

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 21, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

chiming in

Well, that was a night.

It came to me in the shower this morning: I never liked Xavier’s attitude. He constantly put out this feeling that he didn’t have to try and that it wasn’t all that important if he did. Giggling after made three pointers, shrugging after missed three pointers, he honestly believes his ability is more important than his effort. I hate to compare him to Wall, but when Wall’s on the court, he’s constantly looking for ways to embarrass opponents, beat them into the ground. Sometimes he succeeds, sometimes he fails, but he always tries.

I never got that feeling from Taylor or the Morri last year. I think that Xavier’s attitude of “it doesn’t really matter either way” is what got in the way of this team gelling and doing more than going through the motions. Sure, there was Collins there to offset it, but that clearly didn’t work.

Not all OADs are like that, but this one was. It just seems like Xavier never thrived on the competition, on winning, on Sportscenter plays of the day. He is Brandon Rush without the need to compete harder than anyone else. At Rush’s first media appearance as a Jayhawk, he was asked to describe his game. He said, “highlights.” And then he said he looked forward to learning more under Coach Self and playing with the team.

I wish Xavier the best, and I pray that he declares for the league.

by DCJayhawk0208 on Mar 21, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Did you catch the CBS bit on the Morri yesterday morning

It talked about that exactly, i.e. the Twins figuring out that they actually needed to work to get better. X was definitely the X factor and disappeared again yesterday.

I hinted at this a couple games ago with X’s reaction after hitting a 3, he was happy, but there wasn’t that killer FU emotion behind it….

by MichiganJayHawk on Mar 21, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can tell though the Morri want it bad

After a big rebound, dunk, shot, etc they have a fire to them. One thing I like about them. Also something that makes our future bright. Them, TRob, even J Dubs all are firey post players who will fight for the ball and try to destroy you.

Hopefully that combined with guards who can actually shoot from outside points to a bright future for us

Shit happens when you win championships

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 21, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t want to say that Sherron was bad for us, to do so would be treason… but In a system like Self’s, the lifeline of the team is inside, and it seems like Sherron and T2 were too aggressive in looking for their own offense throughout the course of the season, rather than keeping the Bigs involved.

Cole was looking SOOO Good inside and UNI couldn’t do anything about it….but we’d feed him a couple times, and then start jacking three’s or driving the lane into bad shots.

This team needs pass-first, score second guards. It fits the system better.

I think EJohnson will have a tremendous offseason and establish himself as the great guard we’re all thinking he will be. I still don’t think T2 has sold himself out for the betterment of the team yet.

Having said that,

If the Morri do whatever they did prior to this postseason, this postseason, and take TRob and Withey along for the ride…..We’re going to be tough to out-muscle next season.

I'm Your Huckleberry.

by Carl C on Mar 21, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

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