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First Thoughts: Kansas State Wildcats (the sequel)

Rivalry Week Version 2.0 starts now.  The Kansas Jayhawks ended the month of January with back to back games against their two biggest rivals - the Missouri Tigers and Kansas State Wildcats - one at home, one on the road.  Well, the first week of March, and the last week of the regular season, will see the return matchups in those two rivalires.  The Jayhawks will play host to Kansas State Wednesday night.  There are so many factors surrounding this game - rivalry game, playing for the Big 12 title outright, Senior Night for Sherron Collins - but we are only going to talk about the game itself right now.  There will undoubtedly be talk of the rest in the next couple days.

When Kansas traveled to Manhattan on January 30, what we saw was maybe the Big 12 game of the year.  It went back and forth, back and forth.  One team threw a haymaker, the other team took it and threw one of their own.  But, it was the gutty play of Sherron Collins downt he stretch, in a game in which he struggled through the first half and much of the second and he cramped up late in the second half and overtime, that put the Jayhawks over the top.  His layup and free throw to win the game at the end of overtime was just another notch in the belt of his already all-time great career.  It wasn't just a one man show in Manhattan, though.  Collins got help - and lots of it - from big man Cole Aldrich to the tune of a double-double with 18 points and 11 rebounds.  Marcus Morris contributed double figures, as well, with 13 points and 10 rebounds.  It was a close game throughout, with the lead never going more than eight points one way.

Since that game, Kansas State actually has a better record than Kansas.  They have won seven straight in Big 12 play and moved to 11-3 in conference, nearly locked up the two seed in the Big 12 tournament and giving themselves a chance, with two more wins and two more Kansas losses, at a tie for the Big 12 championship.  They have steadily climbed in the polls to a school record high number five in both polls this week.  It is also pretty commonly agreed upon by many writers and radio personalities that this Kansas State team would beat the 2007-08 team with Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.  For their sake, they better find a way to hold onto Frank Martin and get him resigned.

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Backcourt Comparison

Kansas - Sherron Collins, Tyshawn Taylor, Xavier Henry, Brady Morningstar and Tyrel Reed
Kansas St. - Jacob Pullen, Denis Clemente, Dominique Sutton, Rodney McGruder and Martavious Irving

Kansas Kansas St.
PPG 45.5 48.7
RPG 12.5 14.4
SPG 5.0 4.6

Frontcourt Comparison

Kansas - Cole Aldrich, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Thomas Robinson and Jeff Withey
Kansas St. - Curtis Kelly, Jamar Samuels, Wally Judge, Luis Colon and Jordan Henriguez-Roberts

Kansas Kansas St.
PPG 35.0 31.7
RPG 26.1 20.9
BPG 5.9 4.6

There isn't a much better starting five in all of college basketball.  The starting five of Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Samuels and Kelly (Colon starts and Samuels comes off the bench, but Samuels plays nearly ten more minutes a game) account for over 81 percent of the Wildcats points on the season.  81 percent.  Compare that to the 73 percent that Kansas gets from their starters and you can tell which team has more depth and production from that depth.  The talent off the bench is there for Kansas State; it just seems it's not being realized by the players.  Wally Judge continues to struggle, (and find the court) McGruder, Irving and Henriguez-Roberts minutes have all quickly declined, as have all of their production.  If there is one definitive weakness to this Kansas State team, it is when two or three starters go to the bench for any period of time.  That said, these are 18-22 year olds who play no more than twice a week, so really, should there ever be any "fatigue" for any team?  Just look out for foul trouble.

Some things don't change.  Kansas State went into the first game with Kansas wanting to "ugly it up," play physical and out-tough the Jayhawks.  They tried mightily and succeeded for much of the game.  That has continued to be their M.O. ever since.  They ranked first nationally then in free throw attempts, they ranked first nationally as of today in free throw attempts. (30.9 per game)  That is unlikely to change anytime soon.  While undersized a bit on the inside, the Wildcats have the tenacity and phsicality to make up for it.  The teams are so evenly matched at ever position the floor.  Look for lots of bumping and banging.

Where the game will be won.  When Kansas State misses a shot, it has to, and it cannot be stressed enough on the 'has to' part, be rebounded by a Kansas player.  The Wildcats had 21 offensive rebounds in the first game and that lead to second chance points galore.  The worst part of it, though, were the mutliple rebound opportunities in one possession.  If they rebound like that this time around, it will be another fight to the end.  If the Kansas bigs show the same energy and will to get those rebounds that the Wildcats did in January, they will be sitting in good shape.

 

Best Win(s): Dayton, Xavier, @UNLV, Texas A&M, Texas, @Baylor, Missouri

Worst Loss(es): Ole Miss

 

Informative Kansas St. Links

Bring On The Cats

KenPom Page

StatSheet Page

Player rotation from their Yahoo! team page:

Player Rotation: Usual Starters—F Dominique Sutton, F Curtis Kelly, C Luis Colon, G Jacob Pullen, G Denis Clemente. Key Subs—F Jamar Samuels, G Martavius Irving, G Chris Merriewether, C Jordan Henriquez-Roberts.

Bill Self
Frank Martin
Career Summary
NCAA Tourneys 11 1
NCAA Tourney Champions 1 0
Final Fours 1 0
Conf Tourney Champions 4 0
Draft Picks 11 2
Career Record
Overall Record 401-146 (0.733) 67-27 (0.713)
Conference Record 177-53 (0.77) 30-16 (0.652)
NCAA Tourney Record 24-10 (0.706) 1-1 (0.5)
Close Record 63-56 (0.529) 11-9 (0.55)
Blowout Record 153-21 (0.879) 23-3 (0.885)
Overtime Record 15-10 (0.6) 3-2 (0.6)
Career Team Stats
Field Goal Pct 0.472 0.437
Free Throw Pct 0.693 0.667
3-pt Field Goal Pct 0.366 0.333
Points per game 76.0 76.6
Rebounds per game 38.3 40.2
Assists per game 16.7 14.8
Turnovers per game 15.2 14.5
Fouls per game 19.4 20.5

The Important Numbers from the First Game

Field Goal Percentage - KU 50%, Kansas St. 43.3%

Three Point Percentage - KU 50%, Kansas St. 33.3%

Offensive Rebounds - KU 16, Kansas St. 21

Turnovers - KU 17, Kansas St. 13

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That said, these are 18-22 year olds who play no more than twice a week, so really, should there ever be any “fatigue” for any team?

Only if you’re built like Dexter Pittman or Tiny Gallon…..

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Mar 1, 2010 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

I'm still pissed beyond belief

that the KSU/KU game is not on tv.

No one in NYC is picking up the game either. I know schedules are made bfore the season but at the end they’ve gotta have SOME flexibiltiy. They do in the pros…

T2 is still not my favorite player but he's no longer on my 'Bowen' list. Thanks for setting me straight KGRtC.

by labbadabba on Mar 1, 2010 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

and of course I can't stream the game online either...

this sucks.

T2 is still not my favorite player but he's no longer on my 'Bowen' list. Thanks for setting me straight KGRtC.

by labbadabba on Mar 1, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

that's unbelievable.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 1, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

It's only the #2 and #5 team in the country.

Why would that be on TV?

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 1, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Because people would rather watch OU/UT

slug it out for the “most disappointing team in the conference” game.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Mar 1, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I love how ESPN hyped #8 at #4 for over a week, but are completely ignoring 5 at 2. It’s almost as if they care more about East Coast teams… nah, that can’t be it.

"Here are our top priorities: recruit, beat Missouri, recruit, win the North, recruit, win the Big 12, and in most cases if you win the Big 12 then you're playing for a National Championship. And then we're going to recruit."

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Mar 1, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe

they only hype games they are broadcasting? Their news is always slanted towards games they show or have shown.

by bt01 on Mar 1, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That does suck.

Makes me feel bad complaining about the crappy camera phone production quality we’ll be watching locally.

by Triston27 on Mar 1, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm nervous about this one

Obviously KSU is a damn good team, and if we drop this one we lose the home streak and are one loss on the road to MU away from having to share the Big12 title. Ick. LOTS at stake

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 1, 2010 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

nooooooooooooooooooo

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 1, 2010 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Broken Streak

It doesn’t happen often, but it will happen Wednesday. I was in Allen fieldhouse when Mitch Richmond and company broke a 55 game home win streak by the Hawks, and I’ll be witness to the 2010 version of the cats ending this 58 game streak. GO WILDCATS!!

by CATS BEAT HAWKS on Mar 1, 2010 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

So you joined SB Nation

just so you could get that handle and leave a comment on RCT? I guess that’s dedication right? I dunno. Welcome to RCT anyway I guess.

T2 is still not my favorite player but he's no longer on my 'Bowen' list. Thanks for setting me straight KGRtC.

by labbadabba on Mar 1, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You're quite the streak buster.

How many times were you at KU games when they added to the streak? Whether it be Allen Field House streaks or even the Bramlage streak.

by Triston27 on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Proud to be an ankle-biter

Isn’t that what’s on the back of those “BEAT KU” t-shirts?

by sax solo on Mar 1, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So since you saw that game you are older then?

So you aren’t 12. You’re an actual old adult and doing this? Really? Do you have a wife? Oh my god do you have children? Did you bring people similar to you into this world?

My little cousin Adam is going on six and you guys would make for an awesome playdate.

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 1, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

So Cats Beats Hawks....

Were you also at the game in Ahearn when Mitch Richmond and company lost to the same KU team it beat in Allen?

Unlike Wednesday’s game, that game at Ahearn was televised by ESPN. It had the famous incident where Willie the Wildcat skated into Roger Twibell while he and Larry Conley were live on camera doing the pregame intro to the game.

by KU_Lew on Mar 1, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You guys never fail to show up here.

You stay classy, buddy.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 1, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

And, if you don't like it,

you don’t have to click it.

"Not to be cliché or anything, but I’m Jayhawk born and Jayhawk bred and when I die I’ll be Jayhawk dead." - Ovechwin

by Andy Edwards on Mar 1, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Please stay away from BOTC

That is all.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Mar 1, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Because it has K-State info.

And i agree with mystman, stay away from BOTC.

by WillieWannabe on Mar 1, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You guys aren't being very welcoming.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 1, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome

Just had to re-quote this:

If you can’t make a rational comment on an opposing team’s blog, chances are you’re not going to make a rational comment for your own team.

That’s kind of the “Beware Of the Phog” of blogs.

by DCJayhawk0208 on Mar 2, 2010 6:48 AM CST up reply actions  

KSU has been ranked higher

Actually #1 back in 1952 I think. That being said, how many people on this site (or BOTC for that matter) were alive?

I agree about the lack of TV. I hope the Big XII conference is hammering ESPN for not showing this. It is just dumb. TWO top-5 teams going at it, when round one was the highest rated bball game for ESPN in how long? Just stupid. Maybe UT’s bluster will get the Big XII some better TV deals.

Thanks for the preview of the game. Go Cats.

by Sean T on Mar 1, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

Same thing happened with the Purdue – tOSU game a couple weeks ago. It was on the Big 10 network only.

by Triston27 on Mar 1, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

More recent than that.

K-State was ranked #3 in 1962, #4 in 1961, and #1 in 1959 and 1958.

K-State was also ranked #1 in 1953, #2 in 1952, and #3 in 1951.

Why do people keep saying that #5 is the school’s highest ranking?

by giantslor on Mar 2, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

because the talking heads on TV do...

I know we shouldn’t listen to the guys, but sometimes we all do : )

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 2, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think us losing to Okie Light helps us focus wise

We still have to fight for the league outright, etc. Focus or not we can lose even playing our near best (I refuse to admit if we play our best anyone can beat us, yay for Homerism) but hopefully with Sherron’s last night in the phog everyone steps up and we handle business.

Still…. I’m a nervous nancy on this one. Although to be honest we didn’t play well last game. We missed a ton of bunnies (I was going nuts and threw an empty beer can at the TV when Cole missed his forth open layup in about 5 minutes). Hopefully we can play tough D again and convert better on offense and win

by KU Grad 08 on Mar 1, 2010 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

Good Preview

-KCsince88.

Very good preview of the matchup. Looking forward to it.

by KSettU on Mar 1, 2010 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

Game will be on ESPN 360

my cable provider picked this up just before the start of the season.

by bt01 on Mar 1, 2010 10:37 PM CST reply actions  

Also just checked

For all of us in DC and Baltimore, MASN is carrying the game. Not sure if it will be in HD.

by bt01 on Mar 1, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah - MASN picked it up in DC

too bad MSG and YES here in NY are carrying Nicks and Nets. Ugh.

T2 is still not my favorite player but he's no longer on my 'Bowen' list. Thanks for setting me straight KGRtC.

by labbadabba on Mar 2, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

but YES showed the Colorado game

So it all works out, right?

I still haven’t figured out the sarcasm font.

by DCJayhawk0208 on Mar 2, 2010 6:49 AM CST up reply actions  

It is complicated

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 2, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

there's just simply no excuse.

Even before the season started this was a good matchup. People knew KSU was going to be good, maybe not top 5 good but at least top 20. And they knew KU was going to be good and playing on their home court on senior night. Why this game wasn’t picked up is beyond me.

Here’s me complaining, we’ve had all but two of our games broadcast here in NY and I’m complaining, but still, why THIS game of all games?

T2 is still not my favorite player but he's no longer on my 'Bowen' list. Thanks for setting me straight KGRtC.

by labbadabba on Mar 2, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Correction:

People in the Big XII knew K-state would be good. People on the coasts, the people who write stories and are on Sportscenter, don’t give a shit about teams in the Big XII. Not a big enough media market.

by 2.1 seconds left on Mar 2, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

At least...

we dont have to listen to Bob Knight and Brent Cheeseburger tomorrow night!

EMAW

by Jbleezy on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

you mean you don't like them : )

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 2, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

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