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Plus/Minus Update: Pre-Selby Edition

As the title reminds us, the box score might look quite a bit different for the next 25(ish) games of the season.  This update was almost skipped because we've been over the Colorado State game in many different ways and wasn't sure if there was anything else to cover.  Big picture though and this might give a benchmark of sorts to compare against the team as Josh Selby works his way into the rotation and flow of the college game.  He's clearly going to make a dent in one or two players minutes and in possessions used.  The game is still only 40 minutes long and the Jayhawks just aren't going to fit in 15 extra possessions for him to use. 

So onto the numbers we've got!  Just a quick refresher, positive things in the box score are a +1 and negatives are a -1.

Colorado State

 

MIN FGAFtMissREB AST STL BLK TO PF PTSPlus/Minus
Brady Morningstar, G 24 6 1 4 0 4 0 1 3 6 3
Elijah Johnson, G 17 2 0 4 2 1 0 2 1 6 8
Jeff Withey, C 6 2 2 3 1 0 0 2 0 2 0
Marcus Morris, F 18 2 2 4 0 1 1 1 4 8 5
Mario Little, G 17 5 0 5 2 0 0 2 1 8 7
Markieff Morris, F 28 10 1 11 1 0 3 1 2 12 13
Royce Woolridge, G 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Thomas Robinson, F 17 5 6 8 1 0 3 2 2 7 4
Travis Releford, G 11 4 0 5 0 2 1 1 1 4 6
Tyrel Reed, G 31 12 0 1 0 0 0 2 3 11 -5
Tyshawn Taylor, G 30 5 1 1 6 2 2 3 2 12 12

 

Some good and bad here. 

  • Good: Markieff Morris getting 28 minutes with only 2 fouls.  Was he more cautious once Marcus was out of the game?  If so, pretty impressive.  T-Rob getting to a +4 WITH 6 missed free throws isn't too bad of a day. 
  • More Good: Tyshawn Taylor at +12 with 6 assists and 12 points with only 3 turnovers.  Very efficient day.  Elijah Johnson at +8 while playing 17 minutes, light bulb maybe at Madison Square Garden?  Mario Little filling in wherever needed with 8 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists. 
  • Bad: Obviously this category belongs to "Mr. Kansas", Tyrel Reed.  Career high in minutes and what might be his career low on the plus/minus.  Not sure if "overexposed" is the word I'd use to describe his game here, but it's close.  If he's hitting his shots, he's a great player.  When he's not, he does little else that shows up in the box score.  He doesn't rebound, doesn't get steals, and doesn't get to the line.

After the jump, a quick look at what minutes might be available, how playing time might be impacting results, and the game by game chart.

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First up, what minutes are available?


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As the competition has gotten a little more challenging, Bill Self has made some slight adjustments to his rotations.  It actually surprised me to see this clear of a separation between Taylor, Reed, Morningstar and Johnson, Little, and Releford.  If anyone wants to place bets on who is going to lose minutes starting on Saturday, I got Reed.  Takers? 

*This was written Thursday morning before the news of Mario Little's Wednesday night got out, so there's an automatic 12-15 minutes available for someone.  However, Little was getting a good share of his minutes at the 4.  Who takes those minutes might be a better question than who loses minutes to Selby.  Withey is likely to grab some more time and Releford might even get some time at the 4 against smaller lineups.

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Two things jump out at me: 1) As we've all noticed, the plus/minus favors the bigs a little bit and 2) I like where EJ, Releford, and T2 are at here.  Reed and Morningstar have some room to improve and maybe cutting their minutes back just a little bit will do that.  Outside of those, EJ's production looks really good when broken down to a per minute scale.  For our sake, I really hope the transfer talk was just that.  He's a guy that I think could have an outstanding career and be a "come out of nowhere" guy next season.

Season Plus/Minus

LongwoodValpoUNTA&M CCOhioArizonaUCLAMemphisColo St
Brady Morningstar, G 4 1 15 8 5 2 6 4 3
Elijah Johnson, G     5 8 6 1 0 6 8
Jeff Withey, C 8 0 2 3 10 2 -1 0 0
Jordan Juenemann, G 2 2 2 0 1        
Marcus Morris, F 11 23 8 7 16 11 4 10 5
Mario Little, G 1 10 6 12 2 5 7 -1 7
Markieff Morris, F 25 11 9 11 11 -3 1 11 13
Niko Roberts, G 2 0 -2 0 1        
Royce Woolridge, G 4 2 1 0 3       0
Thomas Robinson, F 13 8 11 11 -2 8 -1 7 4
Travis Releford, G 4 1 -3 9 9 8 2 3 6
Tyrel Reed, G 7 5 12 3 3 6 11 7 -5
Tyshawn Taylor, G 13 3 8 9 3 6 8 8 12

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Nice write-up Warden

I agree that Withey and Releford will see some increased playing time because of the LIttle situation. That in my mind can only be a positive for them two in terms of player development. We have both of them returning next year, and of course Little won’t be back next year, let alone possibly this year.

I really think Reed is a better player with less minutes. He will need to think less and just knock down an open three or two without having to do too much. Stat might say otherwise, I just don’t know. The same will hopefully go for Brady as well. If Selby can play some defense, and take it to the hoop this has to be a major upgrade over MorningReed

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by KRichards on Dec 17, 2010 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

I wonder

if it’s worth revisiting the importance of certain role players with this recent event. I’m sort of in the camp that with more minutes Withey and Relefor have good potential they just weren’t going to really get the on the job training to the extent they might have needed this year. That might have changed yesterday.

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by Owen on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 AM CST reply actions  

That's kind of what I was wondering by looking at the per minute plus/minus.

With the break I’m getting over the next two weeks, I’m going to get further into that hopefully.

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by Warden11 on Dec 17, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

HCBS probably had a good reason

as to why Releford and Withey weren’t getting minutes. This Little situation is going to hurt us.

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by Triston27 on Dec 17, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely it will at first.

Self is a coach that if you show him he can trust you, you will play. Releford and Withey haven’t shown that in practice/games most likely and that’s why their minutes dwindled. Still I think that those two being forced onto the court will help their development and it might bring them along in terms of the level of trust and the level that they can contribute where they might otherwise have faded to the back of the pack until next year if Little was still around.

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by Owen on Dec 17, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but I’m not worried about next year. I want to win this year.

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by Triston27 on Dec 17, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

In the few minutes withey has played this year, he has looked lost

Its got to be hard coming off the bench for a minute or too every game and playing at a high level

by fizzle406 on Dec 17, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

And we've talked about this a lot, but I'll add that I think the most intruiging starting lineup

once Selby is inserted is

TT, Selby, Releford, McM, MkM – just b/c of the defensive ability at all 5 spots (unless they have a big, wide body in the post—aHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!).

Reed can come off the bench for shooting, Morningstar as a utility, and EJ…well, I’m not sure about that one (I think he’s got real talent, as mentioned above – just not sure the minutes are there for him).

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 17, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to push EJ down just yet,

he’s had a few highlights where he just screams big time.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Dec 17, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you, he's put some numbers up, and he's looked the part

I just don’t see where his minutes are going to come from. Will Self use EJ over Morningstar? I doubt it, but those who are able to watch the team closer than me might know better.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 17, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll have to wait and see on that

but I am encouraged by his use and play in the last two games. I’m really hoping that he and HCBS had a nice heart to heart when the transfer rumors came out.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Dec 17, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

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