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What Losing Out On Zack Stoudt MeansTo Kansas And The Quarterback Position

Nothing!  To short for a post?  Probably and honestly it's a little over simplistic.  Adding Zack Stoudt at the very least meant that Quinn Mecham or more likely Jordan Webb would have had to beat out legitimate competition in order to maintain the Kansas quarterback job.  That's probably something that would have made us all feel a little better.

At best Stoudt takes control of the Kansas offense and leads us to a much improved 2011. But that certainly wasn't a guarantee.

It's been pointed out that Stoudt's junior college rating and numbers were actually less impressive and inspiring than Mecham's but I think the fact that he has the physical tools was enough for coach Gill and coach Long to take that chance.  A junior college player is a chance and to give some indication of Stoudt's place in the grand scheme of things, let's look to the fan base that he'll be going to play in front of.

From the Red Cup Rebellion(SB Nation Ole Miss Affiliate) talking about Stoudts commitment:

It was down to KU and Ole Miss for the former Louisville signal caller out of [some junior college in Iowa] college, with the Rebels bettering the Jayhawks for the quarterback's commitment. Juco(author) and I don't really know why we went after this guy but, hey, he's a warm body who maybe can throw things so I guess we'll take him. Welcome aboard, Zack! We're probably going to make fun of you a lot!

Interesting that a player billed as a savior by some among the Kansas fanbase is viewed as a warm body that they can make fun of while he rides the bench at Ole Miss. 

Either way Zack's next two years will speak for themselves.  He'll have an opportunity to prove it in the SEC and make his mark on his way to the NFL if he's lucky.  Or perhaps he'll find out what many a quarterback have under Houston Nutt and ask himself how this guy sold him the dream.

Moving back to what it means for Kansas.  Saying it means nothing isn't too far off.  The problems and areas needing improvement are far greater than those at the quarterback position.  Making strides in all those other areas probably can have just as much of an impact on improvement in 2011 as anything.

Star-divide

Obviously the biggest cause for concern is that we were even targeting Stoudt to begin with. The other concern is the fact that we started targeting him in "Octoberish".  What that means is that somewhere along the way Turner Gill and Chuck Long sat in a room at the football complex, looked at eachother and said, "We don't have the guy".  Well, now they have to turn the "don't" into a "do", and they have to do that without a new body.

Kansas started with Kale Pick, moved to Jordan Webb, an injury forced in Quinn Mecham and Webb returned to the lineup for the finale.  At this point Pick appears sold on moving to receiver, which is a great move for him.  That leaves Mecham, Webb and a longshot with incoming freshman Michael Cummings competing for the job. 

Scenario #1: Jordan Webb Develops Into "The Guy"

Let's assume first that Webb does have that great offseason.  If Jordan Webb wins the job and takes the field in 2011 as a new player, most Kansas fans would be thrilled. 

Let's assume Jordan sees the field better, get's more time from his offensive line and has more productive weapons working around him.  Webb takes a look at his first, second, even third progression before tucking to run.  He does a better job of settling for the check down man out of the backfield and gets 4 yards for a 3rd and manageable instead of forcing an incompletion or taking a sack.  Two years ago everyone pegged their hopes on Webb being a poor man's Todd Reesing.  If he gets even close to that, no worries Kansas can be fine WITH IMPROVEMENT AROUND HIM. 

Scenario #2: Quinn Mecham wins out

Don't get me wrong the mighty Quinn played admirably in 2010, but he doesn't have the physical tools to be a Big 12 quarterback.  The portion of the field that can be attacked under his guidance is limited, the deep ball is out of the equation and while he had a couple nice runs it's certainly not his strength.

Quinn beating out Webb or whoever else stands on that practice field with a red jersey is probably a clear signal that as Jayhawk fans we're in for another long year.  Again, he did some nice things in 2010, but it's all relative to what you have to compare to. Just remember, until we saw injuries across the board Mecham wasn't even in the conversation.

Which Brings Us to Offseason Requirements 

Any way you slice it right now there aren't many quarterbacks that are going to step onto the Kansas football field and single handedly change everything.  Todd Reesing is one of those rare players that can do that, most will need something around them and that's what makes everything else on the offensive side of the ball SO important this offseason.

Offensive Line

It started up front with Kansas in 2010.  Injuries decimated an offensive line that should have been a strength and players expected to lead in that group failed to meet those expectations.  What Kansas had was a group that couldn't execute an effective run block on a consistent basis and looked overmatched in pass protection.  Injury, physical conditioning and inexperience all played into the struggles but it was a piece. 

What that means is first and foremost THIS GROUP is the key to being better regardless of who the quarterback is. 

The first step is being taken.  The oft rumored laissez faire approach in the weight room has changed.  In the weeks since the season ended it's a new program and come spring we will hopefully see noticeable change in that respect. 

The second step will rest on JB Grimes and his ability to improve technique.  The third piece will be getting Jeff Spikes and Trevor Marrongelli back at 100%,  having Jeremiah Hatch ready to play from day one, a leaner more agile Tanner Hawkinson and a comfortable Duane Zlatnik entering his third year at the position.  That's good enough to be ready to go.

Any extra boost the line can get from an incoming freshman like Bryan Peters, Dylan Admire or on of the other assorted commitments would be icing on the cake.  Riley Spencer will be out of spring ball but getting him involved down the line should be in the plans and certainly Gavin Howard or Chad Kolumber figure to be part of the much needed depth as they mature physically. 

It will be a wait and see approach because as a fanbase we've anointed an o-line the anchor and watched that wall crumble.  Regardless of the pieces and the potential it must be proven and respect earned.

Running Back

Kansas has to feel like they are on the right track here.  James Sims is a player and will be entering his sophomore year.  Brandon Bourbon will be a redshirt freshman and is expected to be a player for Kansas after an impressive summer entering 2010.  Throw in Deshaun Sands with limited carries and perhaps Darrian Miller can make a move since he will be on campus this spring. 

In an ideal world you can redshirt Miller and Dreamius Smith, but that won't be decided anytime soon. 

The other player that Kansas is still pursuing that could change the position a bit is Kevin Grooms out of Florida.  He's being pursued by several big schools in the Florida area as a corner, Kansas is offering a shot at running back which is where he wants to be.  He fits the mold of what Turner Gill wants; a speedy playmaker.

Reciever/Tight Ends

All the blame for that deer in headlights, who do I throw to look from our quarterbacks this year didn't rest with those quarterbacks.  The receiver position took a fairly substantial hit with the departure of Meier and Briscoe.  Kansas receivers weren't getting open, they weren't getting off the line in some cases (Nebraska) and they weren't blocking downfield the way Kansas receivers have in the past. 

There are players that can make an impact in the group.  Daymond Patterson and DJ Beshears have already shown that.  Chris Omigie and Erik McGriff also had flashes during the season.  Kale Pick was easily the best blocker of the entire group and he only played in a pair of games at the position late in the year.  That will earn him minutes if others don't buy into that level of commitment. 

It's a deep unit, one with some size, one with a pair of speedy playmakers, but they still have a lot of improvement to make in order to help improve the Kansas running game, which in turn only helps the passing game.  This is a group that has to buy into the blocking downfield and a group that has to be prepared to fight off the line and find openings. 

The wild card rests at tight end where Kansas will have Tim Biere, Trent Smiley and Jimmay Mundine all at their disposal.  If the offensive line doesn't improve, then we'll have another season where Biere spends all season in max protect.  If the offensive line gets to where they need to be, this position can be a huge weapon as we all hoped it would be this year.

Who Wins Out?

Mecham, Webb, or Cummings. Odds are that Michael Cummings won't be ready.  A knee injury will keep him out of most of the summer preparation one would assume and at that point you have to be a major surprise in order to work your way from high school to starting quarterback with that little preparation time.

Mecham would also seem to be a guy at Kansas that provides depth, but isn't the answer.  Based on the fact that Mecham stepped in and played as well as any Kansas quarterback all year and still found himself back on the bench in favor of Webb tells you that Mecham has a major uphill climb.

That brings us to Webb.  Right now the world is pretty down on Webb and as it goes with recruiting, everyone was very high on Stoudt.  They are different players physically, and in the wait and see world of Kansas football it's easy to know what the ideal could have been, but it's impossible to predict exactly what will happen.

What Kansas hoped to have was two quarterbacks competing for the job just like last spring.  In my opinion we now have one and that's Webb.  I've said it before; there are two types of teams, those with a quarterback and those looking for one.  Right now Turner Gill enters year two and he's looking for one.  The contract is five years and he's entering an offseason between year one and two.  The ability to develop or recruit a quarterback might just be the determining factor in his success or failure at Kansas.  The clock is ticking.

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Interesting Ole Miss fans expect him to be a simple backup

Compared to here where he likely would have started. Be interesting to see how many guys passed up immediate playing time at KU to go to a more “prestigous” school (like a Geneo Grissum) and what the results have been. How many succeeded, how many never saw the field burried on the depth chart, etc

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Well, it's easy for Ole Miss fans to not be so high on Stoudt

especially when you consider he’ll be following in such esteemed footsteps as Jeremiah Masoli and Jevan Snead.

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by Triston27 on Dec 15, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

especially when you consider he’ll be following in such

esteemed footsteps as Jeremiah Masoli and Jevan Snead.

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by Triston27 on Dec 15, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

it's just amazing...

that a kid who seemed leery of getting caught in the recruiting trap was lured to Ole Miss by the king of recruiting traps. I get that the SEC is a bigger conference and maybe the odds of Ole Miss turning it around vs Kansas are better when you look at history, but things were tee’d up for him to come in and be the guy here. Shows the uphill climb Gill has.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a great post.

Everything starts in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. Mangino neglected that and went for the skill positions. A good offensive line will hide a lot of things, just like a good defensive line will get enough pressure to make the defensive backs look above average.

However, we don’t have the team as a whole for our QB to be a game manager. We need our QB to make plays and put us in the position to win. We don’t have that QB. Webb’s downfield accuracy is down right awful. He doesn’t have the size needed to step up in the pocket and throwing lanes or to take the big hits. Examples? He moves out of the pocket too soon and we started to employ rollouts with him. Reesing did the same thing, don’t get me wrong, but Reesing was special. Reesing also made his own throwing lanes and would change his arm angle at times to create a throwing lane. As for taking big hits, simply put, he was injured. It’s unfortunate, but he doesn’t have the size needed. Actually, let me fix that by saying he’s not tough enough at that size to play the position. Reesing, once again, was special in this regard. (As was Chase Daniel, but shhhhh)

Now, some things we have to naturally assume a QB will improve upon from their freshman year. One of those is decision making. Webb was absolutely terrible at this. Frustratingly terrible. BUT, he was a freshman. That should improve if not for the simple fact that we learn, as a species, from mistakes. I’ve yet to see anything from Gill or Long in terms of developing QB’s, but the prevailing thought is that they both should be able to help in this regard as well, so I’ll roll with that trending thought and up the probability that Webb cuts down on dumb throws.

Webb isn’t going to give us Reesing performances, even injured Reesing. Webb simply doesn’t have the talent to overcome the size. However, like the original post stated, if we can improve everything around him to an unquantifiable (at the moment) point, then Webb will look like (and theoretically be) a better QB.

Now, as for recruiting, if we look across the river, Missouri landed an elite QB with great size. Yes, he was in their backyard and that was a lucky break for them, but the point stands. This year, they picked a 6’2 221lb QB out of Texas. So what the hell is my point? They said thank you to Chase Daniel for playing as well as he did at that size, and moved on with recruiting prototypical QB’s with the physical size and ability to compete with, and beat the UT’s and OU’s of our conference. Does anyone actually feel that we have a QB (incoming included) who will ever be able to compete (not even beat) UT or OU? That’s the difference between where both schools are right now.

by SweedishHamma on Dec 15, 2010 12:00 PM CST reply actions  

Mangino's recruiting

has taken a bit of an undeserved bad rap – just a bit.

It wasn’t so much that he didn’t recruit OL/DL players as much as far too many left prematurely. I think there was an entire O-line that left without contributing virtually anything positive. I think that will be a hidden pleasant surprise with Gill’s recruits. Not only will there be fewer arrest articles, but hopefully they will also be strong enough character-wise to work themselves into a contributing role.

by dagger108 on Dec 16, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Am I the only one rooting for Meechum?

Look, here is my take: Webb is not even close to being ready. I think he still needs another year to take everything in on the sidelines/in practice. The guy has a strong arm, but his accuracy was unbelievably bad.

So lets look at Quinn “Win” Mechum. Yes, dude is very limited. But he actually looks like he knows how to play the QB position. Go back and watch his game against Diet Oklahoma, he moved around in the pocket, had some awareness, etc. Shit, for being a “slow unathletic QB” he had a couple first down scrambles including like a 25 yard run. I know he doesn’t have a cannon arm, but he is pretty accurate on the short and intermediate passes, which is what most of our passing game consists of anyways.

Overall, I feel like Mechum might not win you the game, but he won’t lose it either. Plus lets not forget that we are a run first team. Sims is only going to get better, and we are getting a lot more firepower at RB. We will have Sims, healthy Rell Lewis (who was going to see major minutes before he got hurt), Strait Bourbon and Darian “the Barbarian” Miller all to replace Angus Quigley. Throw in our line can’t possibly be any worse and should get better. We are gonna run run run run run run run run run. I’d rather have the more experienced Senior lead the run run run run run run run run team, make plays when he has to, etc. I’m not anti Webb, and if we won the job I’d be happy, but I feel like he is just so raw and needs more time.

So I guess at this point in time, I feel like Mechum is a Trent Dilfer (experienced game manager) and Webb is more a Ryan Leaf (good arm, but not ready to be a QB)

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

However, with all that being said

If Webb improves and if he and Mechum are neck and neck in performance/who gives you the best option to win/etc, I’d think you’d have to go with Spider Man just because he is only a sophomore, and appears to be our long time answer at the position ::starts pouring scotch::

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree

In my eyes, Mecham was the more effective of the two QB’s in the game. The big knock that everyone seemed to harp on was that he didn’t have the arm strength. Well, maybe Webb has a better arm, but his deep balls suck and I saw more than one pass out to the sideline short hop the receiver. Big arms are for shit if you don’t know how to use it.

by De-Freeze on Dec 15, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

If you have a strong arm and no accuracy, what good are you for throwing it long. Everyone says “Mechum can’t throw it deep.” Well niether can Webb. Mechum at least can throw a 10 yard pass accurately.

Best deep balls I saw out of any QB were from Kale Pick in the spring game, but I think Labba and I have officially lost our “Pick should be QB” campaign

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

that is a great way to put it
"Mechum can’t throw it deep." Well niether can Webb.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 15, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Sweedish makes the point...

we don’t have the team to field a game manager at QB right now. If everything else comes along then maybe but right now, we’re in a tough spot.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to disagree with that

But game manager > self-destructer. I’d rather manage the game and keep em close than throw interceptions, fail to complete passes, etc and make it worse.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially when you consider in a lot of those games

KU would be in it (kinda) and then a turnover or two by our offense would blow the game wide open

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

good point.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

Don’t disagree but Mecham’s saved because nobody (other than Owen) saw the Nebraska game.

3/13 for 15 yards. WTF

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd actually...

put as much of that on the receiving corps and the o-line as I would on Mechum. Nebraska was playing press coverage and our guys weren’t getting off the line before Nebraska had two guys hanging on Meechum.

I was more disappionted in Mecham in the Okie Light game because things started out so well but his limitations clearly started to show and limited us after a strong start.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Either way, those numbers are brutal and pretty clearly show that

there was no threat from the QB position.

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah that game was painful to watch...

interesting to sit among all the parents while that was going on.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Bet you felt old

But you are already old

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

how would I feel old...

sitting by a bunch of people with kids in college? If anything it made me feel young again.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate sitting in places like that these days

always field testing myself to see if I’m too drunk/sober for the old people.

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Hahaha

That’ll be me in like 50 years when I’m your age

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn.

Enough of the age smack, hmmmkay? YOU’ll get there too.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 15, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

press coverage ?

in the Big XII? Unheard of!

Yea ≠ Yeah

by labbadabba on Dec 16, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Would Spider Man have done better?

I don’t think Joe Montana would have done better the way our line and WRs played in that one

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably not

but we remember a lot of Mecham’s better plays without seeing that shithole…ya know?

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I saw it

I warshed it on them PPV. It was really painful.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

3rd string QB

If Pick or Matthews aren’t the 3rd string QB then it will probably end up being Blake Jablonski b/c I would be surprised if Cummings didn’t redshirt.

I look forward to seeing Rell Lewis back on the field. He impressed me in the MU game two years ago.

by Rolo on Dec 15, 2010 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

I'll be honest...

I’m not sure I expect Rell Lewis to be much of a factor next year. And yes I think Cummings is most likely a redshirt.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so fast my internet friend

I think he was a clear number two back before he got hurt, and Gill and Co. sounded really high on him. He has experience and etc. If he can recover, he could be an asset. Or on speciality teams

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember though that the statement that Lewis would be number two was when the staff still had hopes of redshirting Sims AND Bourbon. That was the goal and probably had a high probability of happening if Lewis wasn’t injured and Quigley had been what you expect from a senior captain. When both those things failed they were forced to pull a shirt on one, but from everything I heard both Sims and Bourbon probably could have leapfrogged to the top of the depth chart if the staff wasn’t convinced that they could be better used in the future.

I think it’s clear now that looking back the staff had a fairly good idea that this team was going to have challenges, maybe not to this extent but there was talk about talent, youth and a lot of coach speak for “we have a long way to go”. Best thing in that situation is a redshirt year for ANYONE you can.

We had to make a move with Sims and Keba, Terry proved to be too good to keep off the field. Fortunately for us Terry should get a medical redshirt which means we really only burned two shirts this year. Not bad at all when looking toward depth and the future.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Although you’d think at worst Rell like Hell would beat out Sands (who never looked good to me) and be a solid third down back behind Sims and Bourbon (I’d like to redshirt Darian the Barbarian). Lewis has shown he can be a good receiver out of the backfield and decent blocker, in fact I think the staff said these were his strengths back in the day. Seems like he could be an excellent third down back, a Chester Taylor type, while Sims gets the lionshare spelled by Bourbon.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Dreamius?

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with Grad...

I’d prefer to redshirt both so if that means Rell splits carries with Sands as the 3rd option then I’d say that’s perfect.

Of course there’s still a lot of time between now and next September so I could be way off on Rell, but it’s what I was hearing.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry him too

We have so many RBs I can’t keep em all strait. So next year I’m saying:

Sims-Bourbon-Lewis (third down back)-Sands-Miller (RS)-Dreamius (RS)

::gasping for breath::

thats quite the depth at tailback. Did I forget anyone?

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

not yet...

although I really like the Darrian the Barbarian name.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Regarding Stoudt

I hate to think that he got hood-winked into signing with Ole Piss to be a backup. You know those fan remarks are going to get back to him somehow. It must suck to hear fans clowning you before you even set foot on the field. Deserved or not, he would have been big man on campus in Lawrence and bathed in the XO fountain with only the choicest sorority tail that Kansas has to offer.

by De-Freeze on Dec 15, 2010 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

mmmmmmmm

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

good times

I mean, what?

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by fetch9 on Dec 15, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I have half a mind

to find this kid on facebook and send him the ole miss link

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by fetch9 on Dec 15, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

All this talk is making me think

of our success running the wildcatjayhawk formation. Really did work well with flattop running it.

I’m getting kind of giddy thinking about Sims getting the snap with Bourbon in the backfield with him AND Pick in the slot. Could get creative as hell with that formation. AND shift at the line into a pass play via Pick.

I could make a whole playbook out of this set and it’d be sick.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

I think it should be a part...

of what we put out there, but I don’t think it can be ALL you put out there.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course

But it’d be a sick package, especially the Pick wrinkle.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

What it really means

is that unless someone drops from the sky, our QB situation is set for another year, and the biggest hope is that this young team gets a lot better in every area, a lot better. We have no QB offers out to anyone who has not committed, so we just have to hope the guys we have improve dramatically.
Personally the defensive front seven is still my biggest concern and the area we’ve seen the least recruiting success. We have to increase pressure on opponent’s offenses; we have to get better in improving field position our offense starts from; we have to be able to make a tackle in space; and we have to allow our DBs the luxury of playing cover first and support the run second.

by Red Lion on Dec 15, 2010 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

I feel like we're making improvements at LB next year...

and Toben showed promise, but we haven’t addressed DT and will be relying on last years talent and two players shifting from end to DT to make it happen. Maybe that works out, maybe it doesn’t but I’m definitely with you on the front seven concerns.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

The entire D will be better next season

Book it.

However, we’ll still have shit for depth.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 15, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not much room to go anywhere but up is there?

Statistically we will likely be worse than we were this year. However, that will be a product of the teams we’re going against, and not what we’re bringing to the field.

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by Triston27 on Dec 15, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a good point.

I just believe (no pun intended) that having better LBs will elevate the entire D. Even if the DL is worse (and it might be), A healthly Tharp, Fink, an experienced Johnson, and Darius Willis (assuming he meets the hype) will make us better.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 15, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

and playing in the same system, rather than a new one

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 16, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Might be tough to do though.

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I am confused

What does any of this have to do with Basketball or Josh Selby finally playing on Saturday?

by bt01 on Dec 15, 2010 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

Who?

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

A few things to think about regarding the QB position

I personally think that Mecham is maxed out on his potential. He is someone that has practiced and done about as much as he can do to get his accuracy and decision making down pat. Webb on the other hand has a lot of improving he can do. Between the two Webb has a MUCH higher ceiling IMO. Webb is working with much better tools and has an entire offseason to look at tape of himself and work with two former great QB’s. I think by next season Webb will be much improved and win the job handily.

Also for those saying that Webb cannot be a new Reesing, I think that you are wrong. I loved Reesing, but he was helped by his teammates just as much as Webb has been hurt by his. If Webb has Collins, Rod, and Ryan blocking for him he would have made much better decisions because he would have had much more time. It would have also done Webb good to be passing to Meire, Briscoe, and Henry. Last but not least it would have been a nice change of pace to have had a 1,000 yard rusher taking pressure off of him like Reesing had with BMac. I only reference 2007 because that was Reesings best year. Is it just a coincidence that his stats went down every year after he lost talent around him every year. Reesing was a fantastic QB, but even he would not have done anything special with this years team. People need to lay off of Gill and Webb. This team had a bad year, so what noone expected greatness this year and we got a little better as the year went on. I have a lot of faith in this team and what we can accomplish next year because we have a good QB in the making and a great team forming.

by KUguy28 on Dec 15, 2010 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

Can't argue with any of that

Especially the Reesing Parrallels

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 15, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

no doubt Webb would be much better with the same supporting cast

But Reesing had an uncanny natural ability to extend plays, find the open receiver, and as Swedish referred to earlier, create his own throwing lanes with both his feet and arm angle. And he showed those abilities from day one.

Conversely, Webb’s shown a propensity to lock onto his first option, and panic under pressure. Sure, he’ll get better with experience, and of course he’d look better with the ’07 team. But you seem to insinuate that all quarterbacks start out tabula rasa and their success is just a product of their supporting cast. No way is Webb ever going to be as good as Todd was, no matter who else we get to play around him.

by PenguinHawk on Dec 15, 2010 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

He may not get better with experience

Kerry Meier is a great example. FLAW #1 with Kerry was that he locked on to his WR. He could never shake that flaw. He got experience, he got coaching…..nothing fixed it.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 15, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Right. Meier had every "tool" you could hope for in a qb.

But that’s a major flaw.

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

true, but he still had a whole nother year of experience under his belt

he didnt even see the field until halfway through his sophomore year and when he did it was with a much more talented team. Webb’s obviously not going to be Todd cus no one is, but I have full faith in him to be much better than he was this year. Just thinking back to some of the plays he made against Southern Miss and Georgia Tech he looked pretty solid. He’ll be fine

by Walshdollar on Dec 15, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Reesing

was thrown into the fire halfway through his true freshman season.

by PenguinHawk on Dec 15, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You are right Reesing was one of a kind

There won’t ever be someone with his same skill set. I also was not trying to insinuate that a QB’s success is a product of his surrounding cast, but at the same time it does influence it quite a bit. I don’t want to take away from what Reesing did because he was fantastic. I just want to take a little fire off of Webb.

Another thing I don’t think people give credit to with how Reesing was able to step in so quickly and play so well is where they came from. Reesing came in much better because he came from a high profile high school from Texas. Webb came in from small HS with much weaker competition. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to pitch Webb as some All-American caliber QB I just want people to remember that he was a freshman with a less than capable surrounding cast, and played in a different offensive style. Some fans have been a little harsh on him and others.

by KUguy28 on Dec 15, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Lake Travis High School (Reesing’s alma mater) would have beat KU this season.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 15, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

1. Is it true that Mecham was considered a better JUCO prospect than Stoudt? If he was, then I can understand RCR’s reaction of “meh.” The idea of him being treated as some kind of savior of Kansas Football also seems quite silly if that’s the case.

2. I understand the benefits of having Pick commit completely to one position for the rest of his collegiate career. However, I just don’t understand why they won’t give the kid at least a chance to beat out our two (bad) options at QB. Beggars can’t be choosers, and I feel like we’re throwing some perfectly good hamburger away.

Does anyone have any quotes from Gill’s staff about what, specifically, they didn’t like about Pick’s quarterbacking?

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 15, 2010 7:12 PM CST reply actions  

he was rated just slightly better than Mecham...

but he has a MUCH higher ceiling which is why most people were excited about him. Big kid, big arm, decent numbers. Mecham was undersized, not a great arm but huge numbers.

On Pick, I had a conversation today and the person I spoke to thinks Long preferred Pick, but Gill wanted Webb and if all else fails he still wants Webb. Gill let Long have the decision but after three quarters against NDSU…he made the call and hasn’t turned back. The individual I spoke with said that like many around here, there are quite a few that didn’t think Pick got a fair shake.

Here’s the thing. It sounds like once Gill has something in his mind, it’s going to happen. Sounds like Gill thinks Pick needs to be a QB so Pick has a choice get reps and play at WR or sit at QB. Pick has made that decision.

I will say that this person also thinks that generally speaking, Gill has made the right decisions in a few of the more highly disputed moves(QB battle, position changes, etc.)

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

WR?
Sounds like Gill thinks Pick needs to be a QB

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by Warden11 on Dec 15, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

yep typo....

probably got a few hopes up with that.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't like the fact that

Gill and Long don’t sound like they’re on the same page. That’s never a good thing, long-term.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 15, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they're on the same page now...

I think Long had a little different vision at first and they might both prefer a guy that can make a little bit of something happen with his feet, but for the moment I think they are both on the same page with Webb being the best option if they can’t make something else happen…which it doesn’t look like we can.

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by Owen on Dec 15, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Are any 2 people ever going to agree on everything?

My wife and I are wonderfully compatible, and definitely on the same page, but also definitely disagree. Sometimes, I let her be right/choose, and other times I decide. Generally, though we agree or discuss the situation enough to come to a consensus. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to expect less of th team and coaches.

by dagger108 on Dec 16, 2010 3:27 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a LOT different than marriage

Disagree on the play call on 3 and 4 – yeah, that’s going to happen. But disagreeing on the quarterback style – that’s an entirely different level. I’m surprised at this. I would have thought they would have discussed this before Long even was offered the job.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Dec 16, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

again...

It sounds to me like they both wanted the same style. Where they disagreed is on when to move on from Kale Pick being the guy that could provide that style. The problem of course being that no one after Pick really had the same style.

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by Owen on Dec 16, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

We wouldn't be in this mess

If we had done the right thing and recruited QB Matt Saracen from Dillon, TX. He is a bit undersized, but the kid makes plays and is a proven leader, and won a state title in Texas.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2010 8:24 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

He could have been the next Todd Reesing.

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by Warden11 on Dec 16, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm only on Season three

Warshing em on them DVDs. But its awesome.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Saracen actually just got benched

Mrs. Grad was very upset, and boos JD McCoy every time he is on the screen.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

The 2nd half of season 3 is amazing.

Lots of great stuff going on. Nice rebound from season 2.

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by Warden11 on Dec 16, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Season two was sketchy to me

I enjoyed it, but the whole Landry murder thing was really poorly executed and too much of a stretch, IMHO. The show isn’t a CSI. Also anytime you don’t have a true ending it sucks, but that was due to the writer’s strike

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

That and the whole Street thing/ Riggins NEVER being around but still playing,

just sloppy compared to 1 and 3.

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by Warden11 on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah the Mexican bullshit was bad

That really pissed me off. I’ve never been able to buy into Jason Street. I mean the whole injury thing was obviously the start of the show (team devastated, saracen thrust into starting role, etc) but I felt like they should have phased him out of the show much earlier.

He is finally going to New York now where we are at in season three, and that should have happened a lot earlier. A better story line would have been Riggins or Smash knocking a girl up, not Street.

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by Andrew Clark on Dec 16, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

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