Going To Kansas City For Colorado State And Kansas
The Jayhawks make their first trip to Kansas City on the year in what will be their fourth and final neutral site game of the non-conference schedule.
If we're being honest, there's not going to be a thing neutral about the Sprint Center Saturday. As with Missouri and Kansas State's early season games at this developing basketball hub, Kansas is expected to have a fairly sizable edge in terms of crowd representation.
The meeting on Saturday will be the first ever between the two schools on the basketball court. Kansas has matched up at one point or another against every member of the current Mountain West with the exception of the Rams. Obviously that changes Saturday.
The Players
The Rams are led by senior big man Andy Ogide who started his college career at Ole Miss before transferring to Fort Collins for his final three seasons of eligibility. Ogide checks in at 6'9" 245 pounds and averages 17.5 points per game in addition to his 8 rebounds per contest. Both are high water marks for the team. Ogide produces consistently, his numbers aren't the result of a few flash in the pan great nights and to date he has a pair of double double performances to his name. Stat of the day? 68.2% from the field for Ogide, that's impressive.
Supporting Ogide is another senior and also a forward, Travis Franklin. Franklin stands 6'7" 215 and like Ogide he provides consistency. 62% from the field on the year while averaging better than 14 per contest. Franklin also has a knack for making his way to the free throw line where he averages 78%. He'll rack up points in a hurry if Kansas plays into his hands.
Side story of the day? Dorian Green a former Lawrence High Lion returns to play his hometown team. Green is joined in the backcourt by fellow sophomore Wes Eikmeier. The duo combines to average just over 15 a night.
Rounding out the starters, 6'6" senior forward Andre McFarland. Typically not a huge threat and his minutes might dwindle as the season progresses, but right now CSU is one of those teams that has senior leadership and that's always a big factor when you're a middle tier program looking to make a mark.
The nominee for player that might go off out of nowhere is sixth man Jesse Carr. Carr is a 6'2" guard averaging about eight points off the bench but has done that through big games on a few select nights. He's not afraid to shoot, he does a decent job of it and he seems like the type that will need a big game if CSU is going to make this a game.
Beyond that, the Rams do go 10 deep on the bench. They're led by the two seniors on the interior and from that point on the production is spread out across a the group. Without a doubt this team is one of the best in terms of taking smart shots and getting good looks and that's reflected in their overall field goal percentage which is one of the best in the country. The matchup will be a good test for the Kansas defense.
Trending Flat?
This team doesn't seem to be riding too much in the way of ups and downs coming in. They sit 4-2 with losses to Sam Houston State and Colorado but they're playing their game on a night in night out basis. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and that's life, but CSU doesn't appear to be a group experiencing and identity crisis like the UCLA team that Kansas played recently.
The one risk for CSU headed into the game Saturday is that they are coming off of their version of an in state rival battle after playing Colorado. The Rams lost in overtime on Wednesday in what was a pretty enjoyable game to watch. The Rams could experience a let down as they turn around and play a tough Kansas team in the Jayhawks backyard just a few days later. Of course if you're a senior and you play the game of basketball, how do you not get excited about the opportunity to knock off Kansas.
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Prediction Time
CSU isn't a bad team, but they aren't really good either. The Mountain West Conference has some teams with the horses to stay with Kansas CSU just might not be one of them. It's a game where both teams are very good on the offensive end. Kansas is extremely efficient overall, CSU just takes and makes good shots.
The difference will come on the defensive end. For all the complaints about Kansas and the defense, it's still a good defense and against a team like CSU it should give the Jayhawks and edge and a win at the end of the night making for happy fans and business owners in the P&L district.
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Didn't CSU just take Coloradie to over time?
Makes me nervous. KU by 8
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OT: They did NOT appreciate it
So I flew into O’hare this morning at 9am. Getting my bag in bag claim (which was pretty much empty) I turn around to find Frank Martin leading his team towards me. I walk by and give a clearly audible “Rock Chalk Jayhalk”. Got a glare from Coach Martin and Pullen (only people I recognize as I don’t follow that team). The wife was super embarrassed, but I couldn’t pass up that opportunity.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
by Rivethead on Dec 10, 2010 2:09 PM CST reply actions 16 recs
And green.
I’ll rec this everytime you type it.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Wow, and waive the waiting period for entry into the RCT Hall Of Fame
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 11, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
15 recs might be a record for this site.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Lemme add on to it then
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 11, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone of my fellow RCTers would have done the same thing.
That’s just the way it has to be.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
It would be a dream of mine in life...
to get a glare from Frank Martin. I know he coaches one of our big rivals but he’s entertaining as can be and I do like watching him coach.
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He's entertaining for now. But I can't believe it won't get old.
Guess this is me going on record saying that.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
It will get old
And the antics, yelling etc will backfire on him if/when KSU eventually struggles. When you are intense and have a routine like that as a coach, you always follow this path. True from everyone from Bob Knight to Rex Ryan, etc, etc.
1) You become coach, instill discipline, team becomes good, you get talked about.
2) Team builds on success, your antics start getting noticed and talked about a lot from the media.
3) People get tired of hearing bout it, media turns on you (once loved your antics, now they criticize them), eventually a player or two snaps and says “eff this guy”
4) Encounter a rough season, your antics and style are what the failures are blamed on, and that plus the team’s struggles plus what happened eventually in step three, you get fired.
This is the cycle for every in your face dickish extreme coach. Frank Martin has crossed phase one, and it looks like he is rounding past phase two, slowly moving to phase three
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 10, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
This was also somewhat true of Mangino's story
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 10, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
yes, or Bob Knight
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 11, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
I think he does a fairly decent job of turning it off when the game is over. I’ve never seen him go Pelini and carry it into the postgame.
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Talking about how embarrassing their team was when they won by 30?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Yeah that was bad
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 10, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
It kind of seems to me the era of the yelling coach is ending
Look at some of these new coachs, cant think of their names off the top of my head but the guys at Memphis and Butler. They stay cool calm and collected during the games and it seems to be working. Even to an extent HCBS. Sure he gets agitated during game but you will never see him, say, throwing a water bottle when a foul is called with .7 seconds on the clock
I think it's already getting old
To me, Frank Martin is becoming a Mike Leach-ish character. The main difference is Martin’s “thing” is screaming and glaring, while Leach was just batshit insane. People respected Leach for what he was able to do at Tech, but in the end he became kind of a novelty to the sports world. I’m starting to hear people talk about Martin in the same way. If he doesn’t keep winning, he’ll go from a novelty to a joke.
I don't know about you guys...
but I’m still amazed at what the guy has accomplished in such a short time. I thought for sure that KSU would go down in a ball of flames when Huggy left them hanging. BTW, still love that he shit on them after they gave him new life. Back to my point, as well as he’s done I still have a feeling in my gut that he’s made a deal with the devil and something will surface to discredit him and the KSU program. Muh ha haaaa….
I'd agree with this.
It may possibly end badly, but this looked like an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen when Huggybear took off and Martin took over. Kudos to Martin for doing an excellent job so far.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 10, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
The staff at KSU has done an amazing job of recruiting.
Martin’s done a great job of keeping everyone in line and moving in the same direction. I just have my doubts about how long it can last.
Hopefully he proves me wrong, K-State being good makes the season a whole lot more fun.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Don't Know with Martin if it will get old
Could just be media stuff but it seems like the kids genuinely like him even with his craziness. From what you hear he really cares for the kids and helps them out in every way possible. Never been there but supposedly when he brings in recruits they don’t sugarcoat how things are like some places probably do, let them know what its gonna be like there if they decide to go there. I don’t disagree everything could go to hell quickly at some point but maybe it won’t. I think the coaching style he has ruins some kids confidence aka Wally Judge, who looks horrible and scared everytime he goes to the free throw line.
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And being upfront about Martin’s style is key to that. Some players don’t take to that style of coaching and they tune out, but others tend to tune out unless they’re being pushed all time, including being yelled at.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 11, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
His glare was kind of a half-smile/half-glare kind of thing. I’m sure he was thinking “who the hell is this punk?”.
The glares from Pullen and a few others were more like: “f*ck off”….which I expected.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
i'd be bitter
if in my team’s greatest season in the last 20 plus years I lost to KU THREE times as well
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 10, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
anytime to stick it to your rival
Also, I think KU will win but CSU is sneaky dangerous and could give you guys fits for maybe a half.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 10, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't seen the team.
From the stats it looks like they like to drive aggressively and also shoot 3’s, which could give us some problems with foul trouble and defensive lapses. Still, our defense is higher ranked than anything CSU has faced. The highest are Colorado’s D at #195, and Sam Houston St. at #152, both losses. It looks like CSU has a mean little offense though, dangerous inside and out. It’s always tough to beat a team that doesn’t miss much, but I’m hoping the ways they’ve been putting up these stats just aren’t going to work.
Defensively, it also looks like CSU doesn’t guard the perimeter aggressively (horrible 3pt defense, not so much of the stealing and turnover causing) and loves to foul inside (high defensive FTRate). That’s not exactly playing to the strengths of our offense, where we like interior scoring and missing free throws. So another slight bit of concern.
Not sure what to predict. It seems like a game where, with 10 minutes left on the clock, it’s either tied or KU is up by 35.
I’m just guessing from stats though. Feel free to share any insights and stop by the open game thread.
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by hiphopopotamus on Dec 10, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
The Booth family won the bidding? That’s awesome. It would be nice to see them displayed in the Phog for everyone to see. Talk about bolstering our already impressive history and reputation as college basketball royalty.
fun fact
Colorado State’s coach used to coach NDSU
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Anybody else going to the game?
I should be there and at Power&Light after.
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by Andy Edwards on Dec 10, 2010 5:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I probably will if I can find a ticket
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by Andrew Clark on Dec 10, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions

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