Looking Ahead to Kansas Football in 2011
During the lackluster first season of the Turner Gill era Kansas Jayhawk fans seemed to view the hard times in a variety of ways. There were supporters and detractors of Gill and his staff and both had their own arguments in doing so.
Those in support of Gill will point to this season as a transition year, a new coach, a new system, youth and maybe even placing some of the blame on the last man in charge having left the cupboard bare.
Detractors point to the fact that on paper the Jayhawks actually appear to have more talent than they ever have. As imperfect as recruit rankings are, Kansas has improved over recent years yet the staff seems to have failed miserably in maximizing or working with the pieces left behind.
Year one makes it easy for both sides to stick by their guns, but year two begins to put those excuses to rest and place more on the shoulders of Turner Gill and his staff.
Looking ahead to the offseason and even further into 2011 it may not go as far as placing a win value on the team or the staff, but from recruiting, to organization to competitiveness on the field, it's time to put the excuses to bed.
At this point I do believe I'm of the opinion that Kansas is at least another season away from being in position to make a bowl. The way 2010 ended just doesn't leave a tremendous amount of upside in the win/loss column, but then again major jumps can occur and with just a 6-6 record needed to qualify, it's certainly possible. What that doesn't mean however is that the Kansas program can have another year like what was experienced in 2010.
For the supporters, next year isn't a transition year. Next year the youth is going to be another year in, next year the system isn't new and next year Mark Mangino cannot exist as a scapegoat.
For those detractors, next year has to be framed in reference to where we finished THIS year. It cannot be judged based on a 2007 Orange Bowl or a 2008 Insight Bowl, at 3-9 you are what you are and that means we are not very good football team. Whatever recruiting rankings said in the past don't matter, the results on the field say that we need to develop more depth, more speed and better talent top to bottom. That's not a knock on those players that are getting minutes and showing they can play the part, it speaks more to the fact that Kansas was paper thin this year at several positions and injuries decimated the Jayhawks at others.
Remove the belief that Kansas should have been better in 2010 and view the season as the starting point for Gill. With that as the backdrop we can begin to accurately judge where the program is going under Gill from this point forward. It starts over the next two months as he wraps up recruiting, it continues through spring ball and into next fall.
Fact is, there were plenty pointing to last years spring game as a horrible sign of what was to come this year. Turner Gill and his entire staff weren't dwelling on the negative, but if we would have taken off the crimson and blue glasses that tend to be prevalent in August we might have noticed that there were plenty of hints and coach speak saying that this wasn't a ready made product. So what questions need to be answered?
Offense
Can JB Grimes mold a healthy group of lineman into a unit that understands a zone blocking scheme and can hold their own up front? Let's be honest, Tanner Hawkinson was over-hyped, Jeremiah Hatch out of shape, Brad Thorson played injured, Duane Zlatnik was still learning and Sal Capra is a solid glue guy forced in to being the anchor.
Is Chuck Long able to find a quarterback or develop one that will allow him to use what we all hope will be improved protection to expand the offense? Run, run, take a sack is the recipe for a three an out. Unfortunately the options weren't exactly expansive for Long and one way or the other, that will have to change.
Can a young receiving corp develop into a weapon with the depth we all anticipated? Chris Omigie and Erick McGriff looked good in limited play. Daymond Patterson and DJ Beshears are playmakers that just didn't have much help. There are more names on that list and for Kansas it's about having the right players on the field. Those receivers willing to work toward being the complete package. Solid route running, good hands and willing to make the downfield block, see Marcus Henry.
At running back, James Sims is in place and Kansas will add Brandon Bourbon to the other pieces already in place. Rell Lewis returns and the Jayhawks add two other freshman in Dreamius Smith and Darrian Miller who could be ready to go. If this season is any indication, the staff may opt for a redshirt unless absolutely necessary because a redshirt senior is often quite a bit more valuable than a true freshman. Either way the success of this position likely rests more with the offensive line, but can the Jayhawks develop QUALITY depth at this position going forward?
Defense
On the defensive front can Kansas continue to improve in a gap control defense while finding a way to increase the pressure on the quarterback. If there is one spot that Kansas was extremely inexperienced and playing a bit undermanned it was the defensive line. Toben Opurum has found a home, but can anyone wake up Darius Parish? If not, where does the depth at defensive tackle come from? Are there the makings of a serviceable end rotation elsewhere? Kevin Young, Keba Agostinho, Tyrone Sellers and others make up a very young crew, how do they develop?
At linebacker the common belief is that an upgrade is on the way. Can Huldon Tharp stay healthy? Is Darius Willis legit? Steven Johnson certainly proved to be a bright spot at the position in 2010 and he returns so finding the pieces to put around him will be big in terms of improvement, but even beyond the starters this position needs depth.
The defensive backfield is beginning to find a few playmakers. Greg Brown, Tyler Patmon and Bradley McDougald all show potential. Isiah Barfield is an athlete and should benefit from a full year at one position. Keeston Terry and Lubbock Smith will compete for a spot at safety and let's not forget Prinze Kande was fairly well thought of coming in. Add in the fact that the Jayhawks will add two good sized redshirt freshman in Dexter McDonald and Ray Mitchell and the pieces are there. But you can't cover in space forever and you can't cover when spotting a 15 yard cushion. This is a spot, like running back, that can improve greatly with a better front seven.
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Again, it's not about the W's and L's. Obviously the goal would be to win a few more next year, but of the players listed and mentioned above only Daymond Patterson, Isiah Barfield and Jeremiah Hatch will be seniors. This is still a young team, but it's also a group that needs to progress significantly in year two under Gill.
55-7, 59-7 are not scores that can easily be pushed to the side. Games like Nebraska, Iowa State, Colorado and even perhaps the second half of Missouri are the types of contests Kansas fans need to see. Continue the improvement on defense, bring along the offense and take the "Believe" mantra and turn it into something everyone can see.
During the Gridiron episodes, specifically Georgia Tech and Colorado, you saw a team doing the Rock Chalk Chant. They looked proud to be Jayhawks and I think that's what everyone is looking for in year two. A sense of pride on Saturday's. What that looks like in the win/loss column can be debated, but what it looks like in terms of competitive football should be easy to see.
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Schedule gets more difficult next year too.
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yep....
nothing about next year says we’ll improve in the w/l column…just have to hope we start seeing a more competitive brand of football and something to give us some hope that Turner Gill can be the guy.
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I think you have to be cautious when looking ahead and counting your Jayhawks
A new system combined with a 3-9 record = doubts in the minds of some players.
I think it’s highly likely that we’ll see some defections (Kale Pick being the most obvious candidate, but not just him).
The near-term benchmark for Coach Gill comes during the first week of February. The number, quality, position, and character of the kids that actually sign with KU are going to be very telling.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
Very well written, Denver
An excellent summary. I would add that we’d like to see some better performances out of the entire coaching staff as well, not just Coach Long. Torbush, Big John (S&C), and even HCTG. Certainly how the players perform speaks to whether the coaches are doing a good job, but more effective defensive schemes, having players who appear fit, and keeping the team focused and motivated would be my goals for those three.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 1, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions
I agree . . . excellent piece.
I wish the football team could play as well as you write Denver.
by ISellDrugs on Dec 1, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Where its at
I got two turn tables and a microphone…
QB: Get someone new, or give the current guy protection. We just need this position to be above-average at best to average at worst, not terrible. Mostly, just don’t throw a lot
OL – Need to find consistency, get a group together, healthy, let them get comfortable with one another. If we could just get this unit to say middle-of-the-pack of the league rather than the worst ever, it would go a very long way. Just be decent. Think of Mangino’s teams prior to 2007. Decent lines at least. Just get decent.
RB – Gill wants to pound it, so the depth will be nice. Bourbon could be used more as a hybrid/thrid down guy with his speed. The way we used Sharp early on. If he can become a good receiver out of the backfield, with his speed, he’ll find PT. Wildcard here is Rell Lewis. Gill and the staff was very high on him before he got hurt. Also we’ll have to see if Miller gets any PT or redshirts.
WR – Not concerned. Just eliminate a few of them drops we saw, but I like what I see here. Mixing speed guys with tall, big WRs.
DL – Should improve. Need more here but it should be better.
LB – Tharp and Johnson will be solid, but we’ll need 1-2 young guys to step up. We’ll see…
DB – Keep waiting for this group to live up to its potential. So much talent, yet… blah. Gill and staff need to stop moving people now and let guys adjust. I see a Brown-Barfield tandum at CB with MacDougald-Smith at Safety, Patmon at Nickel. Terry will get a lot of PT and be the first sub.
We won’t win any more games next year, but we should be more competitive. I say this because we lose the Colorado win we get every year (we’ll miss you Hawk) and GTech will likely beat us at home. Probably will lose to Northern Illinois as well. We could maybe sneak a win over ISU or KSU. Get both at home, should have a shot in those two… maybe.
Shit happens when you win championships
to follow up on your defensive thoughts...
I think the DB’s started to turn a corner late, Greg Brown and Tyler Patmon both came on pretty strong and Barfield was looking better. It’s tough to judge them because the last time we had a good pass defense we had Talib who was a stud. Now we lack a pass rush and a lockdown corner but we’ve got some talent.
The biggest concern for me is DT. Johnson and Dorsey did about as well as one could expect considering there was no rotation and in Dorsey’s case he’s significantly undersized. Even with that the d-line started to look better late. In Lincoln they held there own against one of the best o-line’s in the conference. We just have to find a way to address the DT spot and I think a lot of the other problems that are being amplified right now, might look a little less bleak.
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I wish that was in the cards...
but it doesn’t look likely. The Iowa kid committed elsewhere and I’m fairly confident we’re a backup backup plan for Couch. The guy that can change the position for us is Parish. He was out of shape and didn’t particularly seem to care this year. Even despite that I watched him move extremely well and toss offensive lineman aside like rag dolls in a few brief appearances. If someone can reach him and both sides can overcome the frustration, it can go a long way.
The other question mark is Randall Dent. Not sure what the deal is here, but his athleticism drew attention from a good number of schools. Not sure he ever saw the field this year. He’s just a RS Freshman so that’s not shocking but we were pretty thin so I’m curious why he didn’t.
After that you have to start looking at landing a freshman that can come in and play, which I hate to rely on…or bulk a guy up and hope he can make a difference. Kevin Young played a little inside this year, but I’m not convinced he won’t be a different looking player once he gets healthy and puts in the work this offseason to get right.
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At least there are options
But you are right, we need new blood at DT. Dorsey just can’t get a push and Johnson is average at best.
Shit happens when you win championships
Kevin Young played a little inside this year, but I’m not convinced he won’t be a different looking player once he gets healthy and puts in the work this offseason to get right.
What exactly is wrong with Kevin Young. I’ve heard several people accuse him of being fat/out of shape, but I haven’t heard anything about him being hurt or injured?
he had some sort of respiratory infection...
from what I understand. Couldn’t breath well and there were times where his O^2 levels were measuring well below normal. He showed a lot in gutting it out. Sounds like something that can be fixed, would have been handled in season but we had no depth and he wanted to play and contribute. .
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That's the first I've heard of this.
Is this some inside info or just something I’ve missed reading? I was kind of hoping Kevin Young would have a really good this year, and was a little let down.
at this point
Why not just throw Pick (or Matthews) in at QB and run the Wildcat all day
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Was going to comment in a similar fashion,
but just not as specific.
I don’t care what the offense is, just want to see one that gives the team a chance at winning. Get creative and try something at least (if the QB situation is the same)
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
disagree there
I think the Chiefs of this year and last have proved that to be successful in the long run you have to stick with the system you want to implement. They ran the Pistol with Thigpen, made some exciting plays and still finished with four wins or some shit. If Coach Gill really wants to build a pro-style offense along the lines of an Alabama or Ohio State than he needs to stick with his guns and grind through the tough years. From what I’ve seen that’s the only way to success
Purely from a fan perspective,
and I’m being a huge hypocrite. After the blowouts early, all I wanted was Gill and company to find a way to keep the games close. During those games, I hated watching the bland and predictable play-calling.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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I think LB will see the biggest improvement next year
A healthy Tharp.
A highly touted Willis
A healthy Fink (although inexperienced)
Add those to Johnson and we should be better.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
speaking of Fink...
saw the guy recently and he looks like he’s added enough weight to play DT!! I might be exaggerating, but he came in at 6’3" 221 so I guess you never know…maybe he’s one of those guys that just looks thick.
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How about Farley, Love, or Heeney?
I know the probability is pretty high that Love and Heeny will both redshirt, but is there any chance that any of the three see playing time next year?
Offense...
should improve if the line improves. Any word on Spikes’ rehab? Achilles are supposed to be tricky, but he was another one of those unfulfilled potentials. Stating the obvious, QB is the key. My appreciation of Reesing’s ability only grew with every game. Webb needs to step up. Despite the success of guys like Whittemore, I still like QBs with four years. I also thought the TE was a lost commodity in the scheme much of the time. Despite the NDState game, Biere was the most reliable hands we had.
Defense all comes down to the DL with me. We may never realize the cover abilities of the DBs if it looks like their first responsibilty is to support the run. Play action kills us because of the DBs are looking to support so quickly and get caught. Linebackers also need better speed and athleticism.
On the out of left field department, before Opurum went to defense, I was hoping they would consider trying Bourbon at LB. I know it’s more difficult than just saying: “OK, now you’re a LB.”; but I would love to see that size and speed at LB and it’s a position of need. RB, not so much if the committments hold.
Any rumors on that, or with programs making changes, like Colorado?
great point on the TE position...
Biere is good an was underutilized. Jimmay Mundine is also a guy that took a redshirt and has been receiving very positive reviews. He’s probably more of that utility spot which with a healthy AJ Steward as well could become a solid spot for us.
as for everything else you mention, couldn’t agree more about the defense…and with Bourbon I understand he looked pretty good during fall camp, the coaches were just pretty insistent on keeping on of the two redshirted for the sake of building depth going forward.
Not following your last question though, rumors on what are you referring to?
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I always feel
jilted when a kid decommits. I have to remind myself they are 18 years old and can’t decide what they want for breakfast, let alone decide what college is most attractive for their future. I’m not privy to any rumors personally, but as far as anyone knows, are the kids who have verbaled looking pretty solid in following through on their committment?
gotcha...
yes to my knowledge everyone is pretty solid. I’ve heard Okie Light is trying to get in on Dreamius and I’m sure others will start to hear from different programs now that seasons are wrapping up so nothing is promised…but haven’t heard anything as of yet.
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What the hell happened to the rest of the guys?
but of the players listed and mentioned above only Daymond Patterson, Isiah Barfield and Jeremiah Hatch will be seniors.
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well I really didn't list everybody, just some notables....
Dorsey and Johnson Jr will be seniors but I don’t think they can carry the load as stand alones. I guess I missed Steven Johnson, he’s a senior and listed above. Still, it’s a young group.
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Still seems like this group of seniors should be much deeper than that.
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this is a bit of a random note...
but after all the talk about S&C lately I thought it was interesting. The team is already conducting offseason workouts. Sounds like today included a couple hours of pushups and updowns for the lineman because they ’didn’t know how to push when things got tough".
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"The team is already conducting offseason workouts"
Is this surprising?
I was under the impression that if a team couldn’t practice (which ours cannot now that the season is over), they could still at least workout and condition.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
A lot might take a break between now and just after the holidays
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Well
Finals don’t end until the 17th and until then I would expect my team to be working out if they couldn’t practice.
But then again, I tend to side with the asshole coaches, not the nice ones, so that’s probably no suprise :-)
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
Extra workouts for not playing up to standards - looks like a good sign
From the Gridiron episodes, it looked to me that as the season went on and Gill still wasn’t getting the results he wanted, he started to harden up a little. Now he has a season under his belt, let’s hope there is a little more of a “shape up or ship out” mentality (including from Big John’s apparently ineffective S&C program).
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 2, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
I am sure
that given how our last coach was ousted, he made a conscious effort that if he was going to err on one side or the otther, it would be being less demanding/less of an asshole.
Once he starts to get his recruits in I fully expect him to be tougher and tougher because those kids are voluntarily playing for him
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I think this is why Pick was named the starter.
And other things that appeared to be confusing were due to this as well.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
yeah, they left a bunch of guys in place as starters in the beginning
and even stated that the “veteran starters” would essentially be given the benefit of the doubt, at least at the start of the season. which i’m totally OK with, in fact I think it’s the right way to handle it.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Word trickling out...
that Parish and Pick are transferring, if true I’d say it’s not all that surprising.
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