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Plus/Minus Update

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Didn't get the plus/minus updated last week due to the holiday, so we're throwing those games into a chart with the Vegas games.  This should be fine as A) I'm not sure there's anything we're really going to learn from the stats in those games and B) you're still getting the totals just in case anything stands out.  Going back to point A, there's not a whole lot to tell about any one game other than somebody filled up the stat sheet without looking at a combination of numbers, it's tough to determine whether it was fluky result or a result that we should be able to expect.  Markieff's game from Saturday could be exhibit A in reminding us that basketball can be a crazy game.

 

LongwoodValpoUNTA&M CCOhioArizona
Brady Morningstar, G 4 1 15 8 5 2
Elijah Johnson, G     5 8 6 1
Jeff Withey, C 8 0 2 3 10 2
Jordan Juenemann, G 2 2 2 0 1  
Marcus Morris, F 11 23 8 7 16 11
Mario Little, G 1 10 6 12 2 5
Markieff Morris, F 25 11 9 11 11 -3
Niko Roberts, G 2 0 -2 0 1  
Royce Woolridge, G 4 2 1 0 3  
Thomas Robinson, F 13 8 11 11 -2 8
Travis Releford, G 4 1 -3 9 9 8
Tyrel Reed, G 7 5 12 3 3 6
Tyshawn Taylor, G 13 3 8 9 3 6

 

As for the Kansas players, Brady Morningstar's been and going to be a bit of a lightning rod for the fans.  There are fans who see him do very little that shows up in a box score on most nights.  He's not going to be the leading scorer and put simply, he's just not going to be on many highlights.  On the other side, fans can easily argue that Morningstar brings a calming presence to the team at times.  He is more of a facilitator, someone who does his best to keep the ball moving on offense and finds the right guys at the right times.  On the defensive end, I think his reputation is stronger than his skill at this point.  Jay Bilas isn't the only one but he praised Brady's defense multiple times on Saturday night.  Does he have good hands and instincts?  Yes.  Is he slower than most Big 12 guards?  Yes.  He survives but I'm not ready to count on him to shut down Jacob Pullen.  There's a reason the Kansas guards switch on all small/small screens.

More player thoughts and the complete Plus/Minus chart from the 'Zona game after the jump.

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Expanding on the rotation just a bit more, check out Releford, Morningstar, and Reed all side by side.  

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It's nice to have choices.  This graph doesn't make any type of argument as to which player should be in the starting lineup or have more minutes.  Just thought it was interesting and wanted to be able to point out Releford's line.  After going a year with no games, maybe he's getting up to speed these last three games. 

Kansas Vs Arizona

MIN FGAFtMissREB AST STL BLK TO PF PTSPlus/Minus
Brady Morningstar, G 29 2 0 3 2 0 0 1 2 2 2
Elijah Johnson, G 14 3 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 2 1
Jeff Withey, C 3 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 2
Marcus Morris, F 25 8 3 9 0 0 1 0 4 16 11
Mario Little, G 13 3 1 4 0 1 0 0 1 5 5
Markieff Morris, F 20 12 3 3 0 1 1 4 4 15 -3
Thomas Robinson, F 19 7 1 3 1 0 1 0 3 14 8
Travis Releford, G 18 6 1 4 1 2 0 1 1 10 8
Tyrel Reed, G 29 10 0 1 2 2 0 1 1 13 6
Tyshawn Taylor, G 30 6 0 0 7 1 0 4 2 10 6
 Totals  
                       
  MIN FGA FtMiss REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS  
Lamont Jones, G 25 9 1 1 0 0 0 4 3 11 -5
Derrick Williams, F 29 15 2 8 0 2 1 3 5 27 13
Brendon Lavender, G 9 2 0 4 1 0 0 2 0 0 1
Jamelle Horne, F 28 5 0 6 3 0 1 3 2 6 6
Solomon Hill, F 28 9 0 5 4 1 0 1 3 9 6
Kyryl Natyazhko, C 16 1 0 4 1 0 0 1 5 2 0
Kevin Parrom, G-F 13 3 0 4 1 0 0 2 2 0 -2
Jordin Mayes, G 16 4 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 6 -1
Kyle Fogg, G 29 12 0 2 1 1 0 3 5 18 2
Jesse Perry, F 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 -2

 

As I was throwing this together, I was surprised by Derrick Williams.  After watching him I thought he'd have a +20 on the night.  Looking at the whole picture though and you see 0 assists, 3 turnovers, and 5 fouls.  What I wasn't surprised by was the team totals.  Going back to the game, Fogg on the 3 pt line and Williams wherever were really the only two threats. 

Finally, just a simple graphic showing the combined plus/minus for both teams from Saturday.  This shows all you need to know.

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Last three games are big. 9, 8, 8. He is getting more consistent, easing more into the offense and game speed. Hopefully he gets better and better as he loses the rust from redshirting a whole year.

I’m fine with Morningstar playing, but only if its when hes needed. If we are struggling to feed the post, playing out of control etc put him in. What I hate is when Releford hits a 3 and then slams a thunderous “F-U” dunk or Little gets in a rythem and hits a few jumpers and then either/or is subbed out 30 seconds later for Morningstar.

Feel like Self is still tinkering with formations and lineups, but with all the options he has, I wish he would ride the hot hand a little more. Same with Johnson. At times he looks great, hitting threes, driving to the rim. Sometimes he looks terrible. Ride the hot hand when hes going, not just “ok go in and out every 2.5 minutes”…. if that makes any sense

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Dec 1, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

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KUgrad08, I completely agree with you, could not have said it better myself. One thing I notived from the Arizona game is that we were exposed in our backcourt. Our front court completely dominated, but our backcourt struggled. I wish we had a guard with extraordinary talents to help out, oh wait we do! He is Josh Selby, and he is our missing piece to the puzzle, with him I think this team can perform miraculous feats.

by Mason Lent on Dec 1, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

we can anyways

but yeah, Selby really helps

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by fetch9 on Dec 1, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for that last graph

(among other things), which is pretty cool

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 1, 2010 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

Almost didn't include it

but I couldn’t skip that one. I think we’ll see a graph like that in most games this year.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Dec 1, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that last bar graph.

The slew of guys with 5-8 +/- really stand out that way. High single digits get no respect!

by sax solo on Dec 1, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

If Brady really is such a positive force, there must be some statistic out there to back it up

What’s his traditional +/- (like they use in hockey)? Are there other advnced metrics that look good for him?

I’ve seen assertions that he is playing well in vague intangible ways, but I’ll believe it when somebody can bring some meat to that argument.

Until convinced otherwise, this should be our starting lineup, IMO: Selby, Taylor, Releford, Morris, Morris.

Good luck beating that group, America.

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Dec 1, 2010 6:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Here's your link for that.

Morningstar

It looks great there but I’m assuming all the players do because we’ve all but Arizona off the court. Might be something to check out here in a few weeks.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Dec 1, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

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