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Upgrading At Quarterback A 2011 Key For Kansas

One of the major questions headed into the 2010 season revolved around replacing the Kansas Jayhawks record holding quarterback Todd Reesing.  Headed into the year there weren't many that had a complete grasp on how much Reesing meant to the Kansas program over the past three seasons, but headed into an offseason after a 3-9 2010, most probably do now.

For Kansas the offseason quarterback battle focused on two players.  Kale Pick was a redshirt sophomore out of Dodge City Kansas and was the heir apparent under Mangino's watch.  Jordan Webb, a redshirt freshman from Missouri, represented the competition.

What followed in Turner Gill's first year was a three way quarterback shuffle fueled by injury, inconsistency, inexperience and a offensive coordinator grasping for straws. 

There are two types of teams in the world, those with a quarterback and those searching for a quarterback. After 2010 and headed into 2011, Kansas appears to be in the latter category.

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2010

To recap, Kale Pick wins the job in the offseason being named the starter headed into 2010.  Kansas' offense looks abysmal against 1-AA North Dakota State and Jordan Webb is inserted into the lineup.  While Kansas comes up short against the Bison, Webb leads the Jayhawks in a flukish win over Georgia Tech and is proclaimed the starter and savior.  That declaration proves premature as the Jayhawk offense falls back into oblivion minus the occasional big game from running back James Sims. 

An injury to Jordan Webb and Kale Pick in the same game means Quinn Mecham gets a chance.  The junior college product looks comfortable in the pocket compared to the other two, but lacks the physical tools in terms of arm strength and speed to maintain the job.  Jordan Webb reenters the picture for Missouri and Kansas wraps up the season in losing fashion. 

Name GP Efficiency Att. Comp. % TD INT Yards Y/Att Y/Game
Webb 9 106.77 214 121 56.5 7 8 1195 5.6 132.8
Mecham 6 108.56 102 61 59.8 4 5 554 5.4 92.3
Pick 6 97.81 36 21 58.3 0 1 193 5.4 32.2

 

Overall Kansas quarterback play accounted for 1942 yards, 11 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.  Not exactly setting the world on fire.  Some would point to the struggles on the offensive line when referencing these struggles, others the loss of Dezmon Briscoe and Kerry Meier.  But this is the essentially the same offensive line that Todd Reesing managed 3600+ yards and 22 TD's behind, just a season ago.  Any way you slice it, some of the dropoff has to do with what lies between the ears of the Kansas quarterbacks this season.

Some of that could be inexperience, some of it probably rests with overall capability.  The question becomes, does Kansas have a quarterback on the roster right now that can make the jump in 2011 to bring Kansas back to the point of a competent offense?

 

Measuring Up

Elsewhere in the Big 12, there are other quarterback situations that were viewed as fairly dire. Texas is finding out how difficult it is to replace an all time great as Garret Gilbert is experiencing his fare share of growing pains.  In College Station a quarterback switch led to a senior on the bench and a solid late run.  Kansas' in state rival Kansas State has also had a well documented struggle at the position.  In nearly every statistical category, Kansas still falls well short of competing in any major category. 

The closest comparison that could likely be drawn at this stage would be to Garrett Gilbert.  Gilbert averaged 228 yards per game with the second lowest efficiency in the league outside of a Kansas quarterback at 110.99.  Gilbert's per attempt average stands at 6.22, just slightly higher than any Kansas quarterback and if there was an area he fell short it was in the TD/INT capacity as Gilbert accounted for just 10 touchdowns while throwing 17 interceptions.

As a result, Texas finished with a below .500 record and will miss a bowl game which is a near travesty for the Longhorns.  The scary part about that when comparing it to Kansas is that the Lonhorns finished 5-7 with all that talent, all those four and five star recruits and much of it seems to rest on the shoulders of the quarterback.  Kansas doesn't have a defense or the across the board talent of a Texas, and right now they also have a worse quarterback situation.

 

2011

That leads to a quick glance toward 2011.  It's fairly clear that Kale Pick is not going to be the guy and based on his comments following the Kansas game, it will be interesting to see what decision he makes as to his future with the program.  Personally I don't know that he clearly played his way out of the role, but of any of the three he is the one that probably stands the best chance at competing elsewhere on the field.

Jordan Webb appears to have the greatest potential in terms of physical tools.  He has decent arm strength and runs well, but can he bring along his ability to read a defense and go through a progression.  Too often it seems he's locked in on a receiver from the snap and that's where it's going. 

Quinn Mecham would be the player that has shown the most in terms of playing the position from a mental standpoint, but what he has between the ears is offset by what he lacks physically.  Mecham doesn't have a strong arm, he doesn't make plays with his feet, but he does see the field.

Based on those general evaluations, Jordan Webb is probably your best hope IF you plan to move forward with these three options in 2011.  Webb will have to show major development in the offseason, the offensive line will need to improve dramatically and the Kansas receiving corps will have to show the ability to get open.  None of these things occurred in 2010.

The second option is to land a player that can change the position immediately.  Zack Stoudt or Brock Berglund are the two names that appear to be at the forefront of that conversation.  Both are big quarterbacks with the tools and ability on paper. Stoudt has junior college experience, football pedigree, high football aptitude and a big arm.  Berglund would be the younger inexperienced option but he has the arm, makes plays with his feet and could be a longterm solution.

Another name that sometimes get's forgotten because he committed early is Michael Cummings. Right now Cummings is rehabbing a major knee injury however and he's probably not a guy that can change the Kansas quarterback situation immediately.  That's not to say he couldn't win the job, but it may or may not be the improvement that's needed.  Quite frankly, relying on any true freshman is ALWAYS a gamble.

 

Make It Happen

Two things have plagued Kansas football over the years more than anything.  Coaching inconsistency and quarterback inconsistencies.  If you look at the most successful times in Kansas football, it often comes with a dynamic quarterback.

Right now Kansas is wrapping up year one of a coaching change that brought in two Heisman finalists in Chuck Long and Turner Gill.  It's pretty clear that some time is going to be necessary.  Priority number one for these two is finding a quarterback, developing a quarterback and giving the Kansas offense the stability and consistency to improve.

It starts with the signal caller.  The clock is ticking and the Gill/Long combo need to find one or bring Jordan Webb along in a hurry if they want to change the fortunes of the Kansas football program and recover some of the lost faith that occurred as a result of 2010.

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Visit the academies and find a way to run the wishbone.

Run the clock and get Sims, Bourbon, Miller, and Smith some carries.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Nov 29, 2010 10:51 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Hot topic of the off season

Owen, you’re right, we’re going to talk about the QB situation ad nauseum.

I just looked at Stoudt’s highlight video on You Tube and he’s quite impressive. He’s got a cannon for an arm and throws very well rolling out, even against his body. He even seems to be able to make plays with his feet when necessary. All his snaps are taken out of the shotgun, so hopefully our offense will be a natural fit if he decides to commit.

I wasn’t able to find a highlight reel for Berglund but did see several articles mentioning his commitment to Colorado. I assume that it was just an oral commitment and he is back on the market?

It’s too bad to hear that Cummings went down with a knee injury. I think he is a good commit for Gill to land so early and he’s got the skills that our current list of QB’s don’t seem to have. Hopefully he can rehab and get back to 100% by the time he steps foot on campus.

by De-Freeze on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

with Berglund...

he has publically said he’s still committed to CU, but word here is that it will depend on who’s hired. Stoudt is probably the more immediate impact guy, but Beglund could start from day one as well I think. He’s a great athlete.

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by Owen on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgot Pick

I hope he stays too. He’s a great athlete, and after seeing how effective Meier turned out to be after switching to WR, I don’t see any reason why Pick can’t make a similar impact. But, perhaps his transfer consideration is more of a reflection on our growing depth at WR than his desire to catch passes rather than throw them.

by De-Freeze on Nov 29, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

if I had to name one reason for our poor performance this season

Outside of issues regarding the coaching change, this would be it. Even more so than our line play. We had respectable weapons at receiver and at least one solid RB. If we had a QB simply capable of managing the offense and distributing the ball we would have put up more yards, more points, and made the defense better by giving them more breaks and better field position. We did not have a QB on the roster this year who could take care of the ball, throw reliably beyond 5 yards of the LOS, or really even look the part.

Unfortunately, QB has the biggest learning curve of any position and this not likely to be an easy fix through Jucos. How this situation is addressed may ultimately be a good indicator of whether this staff can get the job done or not.

by PenguinHawk on Nov 29, 2010 11:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Not sure anyone (ok, maybe a few) has called for Gill's head on the chopping block.

However, comparing Gill to Meyer or Brown is quite a stretch of the imagination.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Nov 29, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not comparing the coaches' strengths, just their results this season (relative to expectations)

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 29, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

your point on QB...

is exactly why I stand by the statement that there are two types of teams. The thing with our situation is that it’s much worse than either UT or Florida and because of that I’m just not convinced we can stay the course at the position. I’m FAR from calling for any coaches to be fired, but I do think every effort in the world needs to be put into bringing in a quarterback that can compete to start from day one.

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by Owen on Nov 29, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

"Yes, some of the blame rests on Gill; but if the other two coaches’ heads aren’t immediately on the chopping block, I’m not sure why Gill’s should be."

Did either Brown or Meyer lose by 48 points to frickin’ Baylor?
Did either Brown or Meyer lose by 52 points at home to frickin Kansas State (after having 11 days to prepare)?
Did either Brown or Meyer lose to an FCS school?
Did either Brown or Meyer get destroyed at home on Homecoming?

I see what you’re saying but even mentioning Brown and Meyer with Gill in the same sentence should be a crime (and probably is in most parts of the country).

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Nov 29, 2010 2:46 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Well one good thing about all this:

Since Gill/Brown/Meyer all had disaster seasons because of new QBs, we’ll be able to benchmark them against each other next season. After all, they’re all coming out of similar scenarios.

build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.

by Rivethead on Nov 29, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

And they’re all going to have slightly different approaches, although all three will use a heavy dose of recruiting, which has been a strength for each (for Gill, so far).

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 29, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Did Turner Gill have the same amount of talent on his team as Brown or Meyer?

by jco8394 on Nov 29, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Having a really good QB

Can mask other offensive shortcomings. Reesing was constantly scrambling which masked our lack of OL. We need this until we can solidify the OL.

by Rolo on Nov 29, 2010 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

QB HS comparison - comp% yards TD/INT (ratio)

Kale Pick (Dodge City, KS)
2006 55% 1,779 19/6 (3.2:1)
2007 – N/A (injured)

Jordan Webb (Union, MO)
2007 ~56% 4,308 55/7 (7.9:1) (couldn’t find percentage, derived from his two year, 59.7%)
2008 63.6% 3,180 55/6 (9.2)

Quinn Mecham (Timpview, UT; Ephraim, UT (JUCO))
2007 65.9% 2,735 25/?
2008 (JUCO) 60.0% 1,851 25/5 (5.0:1)
2009 (JUCO) 62.5% 3,091 40/11 (3.6)

Just for fun, how do these three compare to the Almighty One?
Todd Reesing (Lake Travis, TX)
2004 66.0% 3,150 29/8 (3.6:1)
2005 73.9% 3,343 41/5 (8.2)
Nice try, fellas. Maybe next life, when you are reincarnated as a QB who completes a higher % of his passes as a HS junior than you ever will at any level (not to mention, against Texas competition). Also, holy cow, 74% as a senior?!?

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 29, 2010 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

You know you can post fanposts, right?

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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by Warden11 on Nov 29, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking I might post it there, just to have it for reference

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 29, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

All I really cared about was completion percentage,

but I figured while I was there I might as well jot down the rest, too.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 29, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks for the effort...

I wonder what might have transpired in Pick’s recruitment and the perception of him as a QB prospect with a senior season.

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by Owen on Nov 29, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Berglund is an interesting case. He considered us before his CU commitment, and I believe we were one of the first to offer him. He has the prototypical size and a big arm. He would be the ultimate target. Not an immediate starter because of youth, but a definite leader to take over the roll with little effort when he is ready. I also don’t think CU has the bankroll to land anyone of note, so I doubt their next HC is going to blow anyone, including Berglund, away. What that signals to me is that he will likely be on the market again unless he is absolutely in love with a program in financial shambles making a conference transition with a new coach leading a poor team.

Why anyone is arguing against the Brown/Myers comparison is beyond me. Gill is clearly not Brown or Myers, and not a single person tried to claim that. Anyone who attempted to make that connection is simply looking to argue out of their own ass, which has proven to be as beneficial to the thread as it sounds.

Texas and Florida both have a significantly higher amount of talent than KU. No questions asked. If you question this, go run a lap. Both Texas and Florida have players who be drafted, this year and next, and each year after for that matter. Hell, their young QBs still have NFL potential. Yes, those QBs that had such a glaring lack of (relative) success still have the potential to play on Sundays. Isn’t that something? It simply proves the absolute importance of the QB position. Neither of those elite HS QB recruits could win much more than Gill and our collection of QBs. We don’t have a single player who will be drafted in the next year or three. With the level of talent, both previously displayed on the field and by the stars next to their HS senior photos, Texas and Florida would have played for conference championships with their previous QB’s at the helm and the exact same 2010 team. That’s the difference of a QB. National Championship aspirations to not making a bowl game or barely finishing above .500. I’m not saying KU is ever going to be NC caliber, but we will always be below everyone’s expectations if we don’t have a capable QB.

by SweedishHamma on Nov 30, 2010 7:14 AM CST reply actions  

weighing in like a champ...

always appreciate the insight Sweedish, you make some great points.

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by Owen on Nov 30, 2010 7:24 AM CST up reply actions  

We need to run more Wildcat

err Jayhawk formation. It actually worked really well for us this year, and it keeps our QBs off the field

Shit happens when you win championships

by Andrew Clark on Nov 30, 2010 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

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