Things Looked(Sounded) Better on Saturday for Kansas
As if we needed another reminder that this one wasn't on television, here you go. Sitting at the table watching Missouri vs. Nebraska and listening to our own Jayhawks I couldn't help but feel that we were competing at a much better level than we had in the previous three weeks. It was a welcome sign and a sign that comes as the Jayhawks look to their third string quarterback and play without arguably their most feisty offensive weapon in DJ Beshears.
Observations from both sides describe the first half as one that was controlled by the Jayhawks at the line of scrimmage. The offensive line was getting a push, while the defensive line was generating pressure for the first time all year. Part of that most likely had something to do with scheme, but that's for another discussion.
As far as the game at hand, Kansas rode the backs of their lines and a conservative gameplan to a first half lead. For this team, in this season, that's a pretty good gameplan.
Now the problem becomes sustaining that. From early in the second half it was pretty clear that the team had lost their legs. A team that can ill afford to rotate at many positions due to depth was worn down. The defensive backfield and receiver positions might be the only place on the field where Kansas can legitimately rotate bodies comfortably and let's face it, those aren't positions that win ballgames on their own.
What I take from this is that everything I hear is pretty close to true. It's been asked whether this team has quit on Turner Gill. I've been told by multiple people connected to the program that this just isn't the case. They do believe in Coach Gill, sort of. Right now the team is having perhaps a longer than normal(or longer than we'd like) adjustment period for a variety of reasons. Buy in/confusion could well be one of them, but quitting on their coach or quitting in general is not one of them.
It's as if they want to buy in, they want to win games, but a little skepticism remains based on the horrid nature of the season. It's the same thing that the most optimistic kool aid drinking fans have going on. This game helped me believe those comments for the first time in a few weeks.
The one thing that could probably help most in alleviating this problem is player leadership and that also seems to be an area that isn't naturally coming to this team.
There are young players on the field showng a lot of promise. Toben Opurum, Greg Brown and James Sims are all players with two or more years of eligibility remaining that looked on Saturday like the caliber of talent that can make a difference.Those are just three examples, there are certainly more on the team, but none really seem to be ready or pushing for that leadership role.
I don't believe Coach Gill can create leaders. That's something that has to happen naturally. At the same time I think maybe this group of players is a little misguided as to who they view as their leaders because not many have truly stepped up to be one.
As a quick example, take a look at the captains. It's not that I have anything against those named captain, but I sure don't feel like they've all exemplified the role. Some have, some haven't. But when one or more of your captains are basically glorified role players that aren't really setting the bar all that high, it doesn't help in the transition. Show me a captain or player on the team right now that holds a candle to any of our captains from a year ago?
The good news is this. Colorado comes to town this week. They are a better team than their record shows, they have some solid athletes on defense, but at the same time many think that this might be the week that Dan Hawkins goes bye-bye. If that's the case, and Gill can get a team out there that's motivated once again. Then Kansas might just be able to get one last win under their belts before things get really tough.
We saw improvement this week. If we can somehow see a win next week then maybe this team get's back to a place where they start to feel a little more confident in eachother and their coaching staff again. As I said before, a LONG way to go...but at this point I'm just thrilled to be out of the starters block, or at least standing in it.
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I disagree somewhat on the quitting
This team quit during the Baylor beatdown. This team quit during the KSU ass kicking.
I know what my eyes saw. They saw quitting.
build a damn football program, beat some ass, and get on tv more.
I've seen quit within games...
yes. And I’ve seen quit within certain players maybe. But I guess what I’m talking about is the bigger picture. The kind of quitting on the coach that you don’t come back from.
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I'm not seeing the improvement
Iowa State has the worst total defense in the conference. They give up 453 ypg, and we only got 268, which is 63 yards UNDER our average.
We also gave up 400 yards to ISU, which is 89 more yards than their average, and is right about at our average given up.
Now, I’ll admit, I didn’t listen to the whole game. Bob Davis getting excited about a 3 yard gain, or that we stopped them for only a gain of 4, doesn’t change my opinion on this team. Davis has the ability to make horrible plays sound exciting or good, even when they’re not. He’s an older Gus Johnson. And him announcing with excitement and optimism doesn’t mean that it was actually what was displayed on the field. I’m not seeing anything that would make me thing we improved.
Just because ISU didn’t post 50 on us, doesn’t mean we improved. Just means we played a bad team.
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hey hey hey
let’s not be disparaging Gus Johnson.
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yes Iowa State played down a bit...
but they aren’t that bad of a team. They are on the verge of a bowl game. They currently sit 3-2 in the conference. Yes they are mediocre at best but I think some of the struggles they appear to have had have a lot to do with playing Iowa, Utah and Oklahoma which were there three worst games.
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and I'd add that this
63 yards UNDER our average
happened with a 3rd string QB who had never played a D-1 game before.
The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Oct 31, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
and
the most conservative playcalling I’ve ever seen. We were running on 2nd/3rd and long down by 19 points.
Would you rather
we throw our WR screen that everyone and their mother knows is coming and never works? Our play calling has been conservative all season. This game was no different.
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how about
A slant route, quick out, curl 7 or 8 yards downfield. There are more options than just a draw or screen pass, which is exactly what I’m saying. If you’re already likely to lose, take a damn shot downfield. If it’s incomplete or intercepted, you were going to punt anyway, so you might as well go down fighting.
by PenguinHawk on Nov 1, 2010 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you,
but we haven’t called those plays all year. Why would we change that now? We used to call the occasional slant but those seemed to be dropped too often. The only time we “open up” the playbook is with a seam pass to Biere.
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Middle of the field
We seem to have forgotten the middle of the field is in play. I would love to see more seam patterns.
I would also like to see a fake screen to Patterson or Beshears and then try to hit them streaking down the sidelines. I don’t remember us once faking the screen.
That's because the qb's have barely had time to even throw a screen.
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i guess that's what I'm saying
We need to start running some of those plays and stop the “square peg, round hole” approach to playcalling they’re using. No way does our playbook just not have any pass plays that go across the middle, we just won’t use them.
by PenguinHawk on Nov 1, 2010 10:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll give you the without DJ part
But does anyone think either of our other two QB’s would have fared all that much better?
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probably not
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I'm not denying they've played a touch schedule.
And yes, some of the yardage totals will be skewed because of that. They do seem prepared and come out fighting nearly every game, but that does not mean we deserve a moral victory.
I guess I’m just not ready to accept hanging with Iowa State and losing by ONLY 12 points as a good thing.
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I agree...
everytime I convince myself it was a better effort and something that can be built off, I say how the hell did we get to this point.
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I was in Ames ...
and this is the conclusion I came as I drove home. We are at the point where the Clones took the day off and still coasted to a win against us. That’s what it’s come to, ISU is taking the day off against us.
I think Quinn Meachem should be the starter
He was rusty to start, and he was a JUCO transfer. But he put up huge numbers prior to coming to Lawrence, and he has talent. I think he is the most natural passer of all our QBs.
Meachem did not look good
His passing percentage was good because most them were barely thrown past the line of scrimmage. He seldom had any good throws downfield, and his one pick was thrown 10 yards short of his wide open receiver. To make things worse for him, he’s very slow and has no chance of making plays with his feet. We need a healthy Webb.
yeah I'm with you...
It’s easy to overreact in a season like this but Webb has looked the best of the three.
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2nd half
Ok, if they did not give up do we not have enough stamina to play a full 60? How did we give up 3TD’s in the 3rd quarter? Even this game seemed to get out of control looking at the score sheet. Were our coaches outcoached after halftime adjustments? Just trying to understand how we held the first half and punted the second?
out of gas
your first question…
if they did not give up do we not have enough stamina to play a full 60?
Is exactly the problem.
When they had two sustained drives and we had two three and outs to open the third we lost our legs. It SHOULD NOT happen that way, but for a variety of reasons it does. Some of those can be helped and others can’t. The reasons that can be helped, need to be one of the first things Turner Gill looks at changing in the offseason.
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We will continue to struggle
Until we get some quality depth on the lines. You can’t play 6 guys on the O line and rotate 3 or 4 D tackles and not get worn out. Those guys are exerting tons of energy on every play and it will take it’s toll. Gill is addressing the O line but so far we have struck out on the D line. I’m more worried about the D line.
I thought we looked (sounded) better on Saturday. I think if Webb played we would have been in the game until the end.

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